need some knowledge on tropicalia (that fire-R)
Guantanamo_Jones
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All i have heard is stuff from a few compilations and what I downloaded from pcmr here. anyone got any information on what i need to know? (cover pictures maybe) schooling is appreciated!
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Gilberto Gil
Caetano Veloso
Nara Leo
Tom Ze
Rogerio Duprat
Os Mutantes
Gal Costa
Go from there...
some other Brazilian musicians/singers worth checking who are not necessarily Tropicalia artists but may have some sounds that complement this movement are:
Papete - a great percussionist
Elis Regina
Jorge Ben
Jello Biafra mentioned Modern Sound Six in Incredibly Strange Music Vol II, and I am unsure if this group was influenced by tropicalia but apparently they favored an eclectic mix, which many artists in the Tropicalia movement seem to also favor...
one more note: Ultimate Beats and Breaks had a Brazilian edition, and I'm not sure if this had any Tropicalia songs but it might also be good to pick up
This is a good place to start if you're investigating this stuff from scratch, as I was when I copped it. The vinyl is nice and loud too, if you can still find it on vinyl, because if you DJ, you'll want to play Alfomega out at the very least.
is a good read on the subject.
Gotta say...I hated this book.
Go with the SoulJazz comp.
in Brazilian music and culture.
Caetano does a precise analysis and a very good description on Brazilian culture & politics from the 60's on.
Peace
I struggled with it as well. It's not an easy read, although I think the fault there may lie with the translation - lots of incredibly convoluted and over-wordy passages, including quite a few that make Veloso come across as a bit of a dick. I mean, he might well be/have been a bit of a dick, but even so, the way the story's told in this book makes it seem kinda boring at times, which it really oughtn't to.
Agree with that statement %1000. I understand that avant-garde film was important to Tropicalia and this movement, but these Frickin' passages that just drag on and on about going to the movies do NOT make for a good read.
Total snooze, put it down after 100 pages, and actually (and rarely, for me) sold it back to a store.
But I still think it's an essential reading for Brazilian music aficionados.
Peace
Heya can somebody take that shit to the ?
Please? This is an official REQ:
A MONSTER!!!!!
That version on Volkswagon Blue. Ooof.
Even tho the version on Cerebro Electronico is way trippy too. Volkswagen Blue
Anything w Rogerio Duprat or Arthur Verocai involvement are worth checking out.
Don't fuck with the Caetano Veloso record in english it pales in comparison so much that you probably wont be too interested in this other work. Even though dudes Beatles covers are craze. But theyre not on that record. So don't worry about it.
The Gilberto Gil in English totally the opposite. Get that!
Prime-period
Ronnie Von
Erasmo Carlos
O Bando
and most of the Brazilian reissues on the Discos Mariposa label are also well worth your time.
You're referring to the one with Caetano in the fur/sheepskin thing on the cover?
I think that is actually a really good record. Maybe not the first thing to check if your interest is in the Tropicalia sound, but an essential record in Veloso's overall catalog
yeah thats the one. just doesnt punch you in the face like his other work. its a little more i dont know. its good but im not sure that id agree with it being essential.
joia
qualiqiuer coisa
the white album
bicho
cinema trancendental
to me are the essential ones.
dont sleep on gal costa le gal.
is ronnie von tropiicalia? i thought that's more of a jovem guarda thing. im not super clear on the disctinctions between the two movements. i read he came up with the name tropicalia either way dude's got some killer shit. a maquina voadora. wooo.
do the golden boys count as tropicalia?
wheres the brasil scholars at?
MONSTER!!!
I love this record... one of my faves too.
The leaders of tropicalia are definitely Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil, that's unmistakeable. The rest include Rogerio Duprat, Gal Costa, Tom Ze, Os Mutantes, Nara Leao, Torquato Neto & Jos?? Carlos Capinan. Anybody else listed that wasn't on this post wasn't really involved in the "movement".
http://tropicalia.uol.com.br/site_english/internas/movimento.php.
The reason it didn't last long was because both Veloso and Gil were arrested and exiled by the military dictatorship.
Jorge Ben doesn't really fit, he was a man of his own style. At best you would say his only tropicalia album is the 1969 s/t one.
I agree with all that, but assume that the person who started w/ the thread was, as with most people when they first get into Tropicalia, is looking for more things that sound like Os Mutantes (rather that artists who were directly connected w/ the Tropicalia movement)... much of the stuff in this thread fits, although I agree Jorge Ben generally doesn't.
Yup... this always happens when the topic comes up, but like you said inquiring minds are generally more interested in the sound than the movement and although the movement itself was brief, the sound carried on into various Brazilian subgenres for many years.
Everything listed on this thread has been great as musical recommendations.
for sure.
As for Tropical Truth, I didn't love it, but thought it was worth a read. The writing about being a political prisoner was pretty evocative and might as an excerpt be of more general interest than just people into Caetano/Tropicalia/etc.
Anyone read Brutality Garden? That's the only other full-length English-language book on the movement I know of. Definitely academic -- reads like someone's thesis, which I believe it was -- and get far too much into Brazilian poetry and visual art for my taste. Still glad I read it, but someone needs to fill the void with a readable history book and/or doc.
peace.
One of the best places for finding brazilian records online is Superfly Records.
They are very reliable and some Struters can vouch for them.
Their records are a bit pricey, but you'll receive what you buy, i.e., if they say record is VG+ you can expect it being in this condition or even better.
www.superflyrecords.com/
Peace
http://www.bbc.co.uk/musictv/brasilbrasil/
That's not to say though that there wasn't alot of interesting MPB, Samba and Bossa before and during this era as well.. It also goes without saying that I'm sure there was plenty of psychedelic, and wonderful brazillian music that could've been entirely not influenced by them.
A little credit to Jorge Ben.
- spidey