The Jesus and Mary Chain vs My Bloody Valentine

Mad Drama Teacher

Who do you have in the mopy, 80s British rock band genre? Who harnessed white noise better? Was William Reid's fuzz pedal really broken, or are the brothers playing myth-maker? Does Kevin Shields strike anyone else as a giant asshole? Is he?I need to know your thoughts!I'm going with the Mary Chain on "Psychocandy" alone.

mrmatthew

TJ&MC's version of "Who Do You Love" was the first version of any Bo Diddley song i'd ever heard.

Mad Drama Teacher

That's a strange point of entry!

Who you riding for in the mopy, 80s British rock band era?

DB_Cooper

That's a strange point of entry!

My Bloody Valentine gets the nod for the excellence of Loveless. Still, I'm not much for shoegazing, so neither are really getting much play these days.

hcrink

Both were great, but J&MC can't touch Loveless.

Mad Drama Teacher

I still don't understand how the term "shoegaze" came to describe the type of music played by bands like The Mary Chain. To me, they're Spector-esque rock music whose amps "go to 11." I guess it's a little more fitting for My Bloody Valentine.

Kitchens of Dinstinction, on the other hand, can fairly be called shoegaze.

Does anyone know how this term first came to be?

dollar_bin

My Bloody Valentine gets the nod for the excellence of Loveless.

I have pretty limited experience with these two bands but I do loves me some Loveless. TJ&MC always struck me as being more poppy but that's not an informed opinion. Now, where's that faux_yoda graemlin.

SoulOnIce

Both were great, but J&MC can't touch Loveless.

Sorry, I ride for Loveless, and ride hard - but
Psychocandy is the most God-like LP of 80's UK
rock ... nothing is fucking with it. As far as
any J&MC that comes after Psychocandy, whatever.
But Psychocandy is shred of shreds.

Mad Drama Teacher

Both were great, but J&MC can't touch Loveless.

Blasphemy! There would be no Loveless without Psychocandy.

I was hoping you'd show up in this thread.

alieNDN

i just like that song "sometimes always"

Snapping

I remember liking Ride and Slowdive in that era as well. Not sure how well this kind of music may have aged.

holmes

Does anyone know how this term first came to be?

It's because when you saw a lot of those bands live they would just stand there & stare at the floor while they played.

hcrink

I'm pretty sure the term shoegaze came along a little after Jesus and Mary Chain, but they do sorta get lumped in there... just cause the same people like 'em.

Mad Drama Teacher

shred of shreds

Loving this.

rubes

i've heard it's because the band members were known to stand motionless during performances, staring down at their guitars, or i guess, their shoes. could be bullshit but who knows.

edit: my vote goes for mbv.

holmes

Psychocandy > Loveless >all other J&MC > the other MBV record. So I guess J&MC win, just.

Jonny_Paycheck

DUDE JEFF IS THAT RUPERT IN YOUR AVATAR?!?!?

SoulOnIce

I just filled in on the semi-legendary "Late Riser's Club"
daily punk radio show last week, and the total highlight for
me was playing "The Hardest Walk" by Jesus & Mary Chain.

It was one of those "now I can die happy" moments, having
played a song from Psychocandy for a bunch of jaded listeners.

It mixed quite well with Major Stars and Exploding White Mice

hammertime

Psychocandy kills Loveless IMO, but then again Loveless isn't even my favorite MBV album.

hcrink

I remember liking Ride and Slowdive in that era as well. Not sure how well this kind of music may have aged.

The better stuff from this whole era/scene has aged really well, IMO. Better than a lot of rock from '85-'95.

Mad Drama Teacher

I like Isn't Anything more than Loveless even though I know the latter is the landmark album.

Anyone gonna go with the darkhorse Cocteau Twins?

hcrink

DUDE JEFF IS THAT RUPERT IN YOUR AVATAR?!?!?

oh shit. hahaha!

PRIVATE COTATI RUPERT LOOK-A-LIKE MOVES

SoulOnIce

Loveless isn't even my favorite MBV album.

Yeah, you know, I think Isn't Anything is mine, not Loveless.

Whichever one has "Feed Me With Your Kiss" which I'm pretty
sure is Isn't Anything. That be-eth my jam.

Snapping

I remember liking Ride and Slowdive in that era as well. Not sure how well this kind of music may have aged.

The better stuff from this whole era/scene has aged really well, IMO. Better than a lot of rock from '85-'95.

Put in that context (rock from '85-'95) I must agree.

Mad Drama Teacher

I remember liking Ride and Slowdive in that era as well. Not sure how well this kind of music may have aged.

The better stuff from this whole era/scene has aged really well, IMO. Better than a lot of rock from '85-'95.

Agree completely. None of that bombastic drum sound from the 80s or masturbatory guitar wankery of the early 90s -- even though the guitar techniques are way out there.

hcrink

I like Isn't Anything more than Loveless even though I know the latter is the landmark album.

I honestly don't think I'd even care about MBV without Loveless. Isn't Anything never did a whole lot for me.

Anyone gonna go with the darkhorse Cocteau Twins?

I can't even listen to them anymore without feeling silly.

SoulOnIce

Cocteau Twins?

80's PUNK KID MAKEOUT MUSIC

I think every girl I hooked up with from like 1985-1988
insisted on having "Blue Bell Knoll" as the soundtrack.

Unless I insisted on "Long Live the Kane"

Mad Drama Teacher

Anyone gonna go with the darkhorse Cocteau Twins?

I can't even listen to them anymore without feeling silly.

I'll be arriving there shortly, too.

Dustbins of history kind of group.

hcrink

Anyone gonna go with the darkhorse Cocteau Twins?

I can't even listen to them anymore without feeling silly.

I'll be arriving there shortly, too.

Dustbins of history kind of group.

I kept the ambient album with Harold Budd, but I don't even know why.

Soulhawk

I always liked april skies & that darklands shit - barbed-wire kisses & alldat, J&MC & 'isn't anything' will always remind me of riding the schoolbus listening to my walkman.

loveless was kind of a disappointment - madchester-style beats

Mad Drama Teacher

Edith Head, where are you?