Something occurred to me last night (NRR)

ArchaicArchaic 633 Posts
edited June 2005 in Strut Central
I've reached a new level of understanding regarding the wars in Iraq...beyond the obvious farce of promoting democracy, the US coalition hasn't just been grabbing oil, securing a strategic vantage point, or doing the bidding of the Israelis...they are effectively exterminating the Arab population of Iraq. All of the chemical weapons supplied to Saddam to fight the Iranians, the indiscriminant bombing of civilian targets, the sanctions specifically designed to harm children, the depleted uranium that has mutated babies and advanced cancer cases beyond belief...Maybe I've been slow to fully realize it, but this war is more about population control than anything else. Doesn't get much sicker than that.
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  • BamboucheBambouche 1,484 Posts
    From Arundhati Roy's speech to the opening plenary of the World Social Forum in Mumbai:

    I suggest we choose by some means the major corporations that are profiting from the destruction of Iraq. We could then list every project they are involved in. We could locate their offices in every city and every country across the world. We could go after them. We could shut them down. It's a question of bringing our collective wisdom and experience of past struggles to bear on a single target. It's a question of the desire to win.

    (Read the entire thing here.)


    I did a little research:

    FACTS & FIGURES:[/b]
    Boeing
    CEO: Harry C. Stonecipher
    Military contracts 2004: $17.1 billion
    Major campaign contributions in 2004: $312,595 (defense related)

    Lockheed Martin
    CEO: Vance D. Coffman
    Military contracts 2004: $20.7 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $1.78 million (defense related)

    Northrop Grumman
    CEO: Ronald Sugar
    Military contracts 2004: $11.9 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $1.68 million (defense related)

    General Dynamics
    CEO: Nicholas D. Chabraja
    Military contracts 2004: $9.6 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $1.42 million (defense related)

    Raytheon
    CEO: William H. Swanson
    Military contracts 2004: $8.5 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $954,150 (defense related)

    United Technologies
    CEO: George David
    Military contracts 2004: $5.1 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $788,011 (defense related)

    Halliburton
    CEO: David J. Lesar
    Military contracts 2004: $8 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $217,199 (Oil & gas related)

    General Electric
    CEO: Jeffrey R. Immelt
    Military contracts 2003: $2.8 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $221,200 (defense related)

    Science Applications International Corporation
    CEO: K.C. Dahlberg
    Military contracts 2004: $2.5 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $781,410 (defense related)

    CSC/ DynCorp
    CEO: Paul V. Lombardi
    Military contracts 2004: $2.4 billion





    We could locate their offices. We could go after them.[/b]

    (I located them for you...)



    Halliburton Energy Services
    6900 Arctic Blvd
    Anchorage, AK

    Baroid (Halliburton)
    6900 Arctic Blvd
    Anchorage, AK

    Sperry-Sun (Halliburton)
    5631 Silverado Way #G
    Anchorage, AK

    Dyncorp
    8711 Beachwood Dr
    Anchorage, AK

    Halliburton Energy Services
    1429 Minnie St.
    Fairbanks, AK

    Kellogg Bown & Root/Optimum Group
    10 Inverness Ceneter Pkwy Ste 120
    Birmingham, AL

    Dyncorp
    301 Randolph Ave Se
    Huntsville, AL

    Brown & Root Services
    12832 Stemley Road, Aldot Division 4
    Lincoln, AL

    Kellogg Brown & Root/Ciba
    Geigy Rd & Hwy 43 North
    McIntosh, AL

    Kellogg Brown & Root
    2970 Cottage Hill Road
    Mobile, AL

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    201 Technacenter Dr
    Montgomery, AL

    Baroid (Halliburton)
    7778 Dauphine Island Pkwy
    Theodore, AL

    Bechtel
    5651 West Talavi Blvd.
    Glendale, AZ

    Bechtel Corp
    1880 E Morten Ave
    Phoenix, AZ

    Bechtel Corp
    4041 N Central Ave
    Phoenix, AZ

    Dyncorp Aerospace Technology
    2730 E. Sky Harbor Blvd.
    Phoenix, AZ

    Baroid (Halliburton)
    3820 E 4th St
    Tucson, AZ

    Csc-Dyncorp
    2100 East Grand Avenue
    El Segundo, CA

    Computer Science Corporation
    2100 E Grand Ave
    El Segundo, CA

    Dyncorp West Region Office
    3855 Avocado Blvd
    La Mesa, CA

    Bechtel Corp
    16700 Valley View Ave
    La Mirada, CA

    Dyncorp Inc.
    44073 Sierra Hwy
    Lancaster, CA

    Dyncorp
    11200 Lexington Dr
    Los Alamitos, CA

    Bechtel Corp
    707 Wilshire Blvd
    Los Angeles, CA

    Bechtel
    2840 Howe Road, Suite E
    Martinez, CA

    Bechtel Corp
    2840 Howe Rd
    Martinez, CA

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    1900 Garden Rd
    Monterrey, CA

    Dyncorp
    2727 Hamner Ave
    Norco, CA

    Brown & Root Services
    790 E Colorado Blvd Ste 600
    Pasadena, CA

    Brown & Root/Mgmt & Svcs
    790 E. Colorado Blvd., Ste. 600
    Pasadena, CA

    Dyncorp Information Systems
    3310 El Camino Ave
    Sacramento, CA

    Bechtel
    1230 Columbia St., Suite 400
    San Diego, CA

    Brown & Root Services Corporation
    Naval Statio Bldg 118b
    San Diego, CA

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    4045 Hancock St
    San Diego, CA

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    9305 Lightwave Ave
    San Diego, CA

    Dyncorp
    4025 Hancock St
    San Diego, CA

    Dyncorp BKD Operation
    8996 Miramar Rd
    San Diego, CA

    Bechtel Corporate Headquarters
    50 Beale Street
    San Fransisco, CA

    Bechtel Group Incorporated
    50 Beale St
    San Fransisco, CA

    Bechtel Infrastructure Incorporated
    50 Beale St
    San Fransisco, CA

    Halliburton Energy Services
    3445 N. Marksheffel Rd.
    Colorado Springs, CO

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    1250 Academy Park Loop
    Colorado Springs, CO

    Dyncorp
    1115 Elkton Dr
    Colorado Springs, CO

    Dyncorp Information Systems
    985 Space Center Dr
    Colorado Springs, CO

    Halliburton Energy Services
    410 17th St., Ste. 600
    Denver, CO

    Dyncorp
    303 E 17th Ave
    Denver, CO

    Dyncorp Inc.
    2525 S Dayton Way
    Denver, CO

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    1726 Cole Blvd
    Golden, CO

    Dyncorp Inc.
    1711 Illinois St
    Golden, CO

    Dyncorp
    143 Union Blvd
    Lakewood, CO

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    55 Hartland St
    Hartford, CT

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    100 Winnenden Rd
    Norwich, CT

    Bechtel
    1015 15th Street, N.W., Suite 700
    Washington, D.C.

    Brown & Root Services
    1150 18th St. Nw, Ste. 200
    Washington, DC

    Carlysle Group
    1001 Pennsylvania Avenue, Nw Ste. 220 South
    Washington, DC

    Bechtel Corp
    1015 15th St Nw
    Washington, DC

    Bechtel Corp
    1015 5th St Se # I

    Washington, DC

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    23412 San Remo Dr
    Boca Raton, FL

    Dyncorp
    11690 W State Road 84
    Davie, FL

    Dyncorp
    55 Georgia Ave
    Elgin AFB, FL

    Bechtel
    17311 Alico Center Rd.
    Fort Myers, FL

    Bechtel Corp
    4540 Southside Blvd
    Jacksonville, FL

    Dyncorp
    6801 Roosevelt Blvd
    Jacksonville, FL

    Dyncorp
    8500 Westside Industrial Dr
    Jacksonville, FL

    Brown & Root Services
    501 Sw 27th Ave, Miami-Dade Comm College
    Miami, FL

    Dyncorp Inc.
    414 Thomas Dr
    Panama City, FL

    Brown & Root Services
    1200 W Leonard St, Escambia City Central Bldg
    Pensacola, FL

    Bechtel
    3910 N Us Highway 301
    TAMPA, FL

    Bechtel Corp
    9950 Princess Palm Ave
    Tampa, FL

    Brown & Root Services
    1631 Lafrance St Ne
    Atlanta, GA

    Bechtel
    4016 Flowers Rd
    Atlanta, GA

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    2 Ravinia Dr
    Atlanta, GA

    Dyncorp
    185 Southside Industrial Pkwy Se
    Atlanta, GA

    Kellogg/Brown & Root Fort Benning
    2079 Belko Street
    Fort Benning, GA

    Dyncorp
    4 Falcon Dr
    Peachtree City, GA

    Dyncorp
    2343 Camelia Ct
    Savannah, GA

    Dyncorp
    191 Andrew Dr
    Stockbriedge, GA

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    750 W Lake Cook Rd
    Buffalo Grove, IL

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    225 W Washington St
    Chicago, IL

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    125 S Wacker Dr
    Chicago, IL

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    8 Executive Dr Ste 300
    Fairview Heights, IL

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    1 Tower Ln
    Villa Park, IL

    Bechtel
    8770 Commerce Park Pl
    Indianapolis, IN

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    3500 Depauw Blvd
    Indianapolis, IN

    Dyncorp
    6821 Pierson Dr
    Indianapolis, IN

    Dyncorp
    200 Arco Pl
    Independence, KS

    Halliburton Energy Services
    200 E. 1st St. #204
    Wichita, KS

    Brown & Root Services
    Bldg 2316 Brandenburg Station Rd
    Fort Knox, KY

    Dyncorp
    1244 Louisville Rd
    Frankfort, KY

    Bechtel Equipment Operations
    13157 Middletown Industrial Blvd., Ste. C
    Louisville, KY

    Dyncorp
    630 Knox Blvd
    Radcliff, KY

    Halliburton Energy Services
    1343 Queen Cathy Dr
    Baton Rouge, LA

    Baroid (Halliburton)
    503 Gloria Switch Road
    Lafayette, LA

    Baroid (Halliburton)
    110 Capitol Dr. Ste. 100
    Lafayette, LA

    Halliburton Energy Services
    110 Capital Dr Ste 200
    Lafayette, LA

    Baroid (Halliburton)
    601 Poydras St #1500 Pan Am Bldg
    New Orleans, LA

    Baroid Plant (Halliburton)
    8000 Jourdan Road
    New Orleans, LA

    Bechtel
    451 D St
    Boston, MA

    Bechtel
    1 Meeting House Rd
    Chelmsford, MA

    Dyncorp
    10 Willard St
    Quincy, MA

    Dyncorp
    110 W Squantum St
    Quincy, MA

    Bechtel Corp
    70 INNERBELT RD,
    Somerville, MA

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    3465 Box Hill Corporate Center Dr
    Abingdon, MD

    Bechtel
    300 W Lexington St
    Baltimore, MD

    Dyncorp
    6480 Dobbin Rd
    Columbia, MD

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    3 West Ln
    Elkton, MD

    Bechtel
    5275 Westview Drive
    Frederick, MD

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    7471 Candlewood Rd
    Hanover, MD

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    7900 Harkins Rd
    Lanham, MD

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    15245 Shady Grove Rd
    Rockville, MD

    Bechtel Corp
    2367 Congress St
    Portland, ME

    Bechtel Inc.
    4612 44th St Se
    Grand Rapids, MI

    Dyncorp
    1225 Cooper St
    Jefferson City, MO

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    301 W 11th St
    Kansas City, MO

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    6360 I 55 N, Jackson
    Jackson, MS

    Dyncorp
    365 Shop St
    Jackson, MS

    Halliburton Energy Services
    2725 Hwy 11n, Industrial Park
    Laurel, MS

    Bechtel Corp
    1130 Kildaire Farm Rd
    Cary, NC

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    2815 Coliseum Centre Dr
    Charlotte, NC

    Dyncorp Laboratories
    4909 S Alston Ave
    Durham, NC

    Dyncorp
    101 Southcenter Ct
    Morrisville, NC

    Dyncorp
    2501 Aerial Center Pkwy
    Morrisville, NC

    Kellogg Brown & Root/Wake
    3810 Falls Of Neuse Rd., Ste. D
    Raleigh, NC

    Dyncorp
    87 Airport Rd
    Concord, NH

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    100 Decadon Dr
    Egg Harbor Township, NJ

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    501 Scarborough Dr
    Egg Harbor Township, NJ

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    301 Harper Dr
    Moorestown, NJ

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    2 Commerce Dr
    Moorestown, NJ

    Bechtel Corp
    5 W Passaic St
    Rochelle Park, NJ

    Bechtel Corp
    275 Hartz Way
    Secaucus, NJ

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    300 Executive Dr Ste 300
    West Orange, NJ

    Dyncorp RTS
    2617 Saint Andrews Ct
    Alamogordo, NM

    Baroid
    2220 1st St. Nw
    Albuquerque, NM

    Dyncorp
    1131 11th St
    Holloman AFB, NM

    Dyncorp HSD
    2004 Chaves Ct
    Holloman AFB, NM

    Bechtel
    3900 Paradise Rd
    Las Vegas, NV

    Bechtel
    2621 Losee Road
    North Las Vegas, NV

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    800 N Pearl St Ste 1
    Albany, NY

    Bechtel
    21 East 40th Street, 6th Floor
    New York, NY

    Bechtel Corp
    21 E 40th St
    New York, NY

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    103 E 125th St
    New York, NY

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    200 Park Ave
    New York, NY

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    37 E 28th St
    New York, NY

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    255 E 5th St Ste 2210
    Cincinnati, OH

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    5885 Landerbrook Dr
    Cleveland, OH

    Dyncorp
    3040 Prentice Dr
    Dayton, OH

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    2600 Paramount Pl
    Fairborn, OH

    Dyncorp
    3040 Presidential Dr
    Fairborn, OH

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    1238 Ronald St
    Vandalia, OH

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    999 Pine Ave Se
    Warren, OH

    Dyncorp
    9266 Meridian Way
    West Chester, OH

    Bechtel Corp
    20922 N Triple Xxx Rd
    Luther, OK

    Halliburton Energy Services
    210 Park Ave Ste 2000
    Oklahoma City, OK

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    3000 United Founders Blvd
    Oklahoma City, OK

    Halliburton Energy Services
    601 S Boulder Ave Ste 300
    Tulsa, OK

    Bechtel
    8401 Ne Cascades Pkwy
    Portland, OR

    Bechtel Corp
    1510 Valley Center Pkwy
    Bethlehem, PA

    Nuclear Utility Services Laboratory
    5350 Campbells Run Road
    Pittsburgh, PA

    Bechtel Corp
    2630 Liberty Ave
    Pittsburgh, PA

    Bechtel Corp
    2304 Salem Dr
    Pittsburgh, PA

    Dyncorp
    221 3rd St
    Newport, RI

    Bechtel Corp
    2578 E Stone Dr
    Kingsport, TN

    Dyncorp
    4550 Swinnea Rd
    Memphis, TN

    Bechtel
    100 Union Valley Road
    Oak Ridge, TN

    Dyncorp Information Systerms LLC
    104 S Jefferson St
    Shelbyville, TN

    Brown & Root Services
    505 East Huntland Drive #220
    Austin, TX

    Brown & Root Services
    7000 Cameron Road
    Austin, TX

    Bechtel Corp
    2800 S I H 35
    Austin, TX

    Bechtel Inc.
    2319 Westoak Dr
    Austin, TX

    Dyncorp
    2060 Luna Rd
    Carrollton, TX

    Halliburton Energy Services
    555 N. Carancahue, Ste. 775
    Corpus Christi, TX

    Brown & Root Services
    1444 Oak Lawn #100
    Dallas, TX


    Bechtel Corp
    5429 Lbj Fwy
    Dallas, TX

    Bechtel Corp
    5429 LYNDON B JOHNSON FWY,
    Dallas, TX

    Bechtel Corp
    1300 W Mockingbird Ln Lbby
    Dallas, TX

    Halliburton Energy Services
    1100 Everman Road
    Fort Worth, TX

    Dyncorp
    6500 WEST FWY STE 600,
    Fort Worth, TX

    Halliburton Energy Services
    500 Throckmorton St. Ste 1110
    Forth Worth, TX

    Bechtel
    3000 Post Oak Blvd.
    Houston, TX

    Halliburton Company
    5 Houston Center, 1401 Mckinney, Ste. 2400
    Houston, TX

    Halliburton
    9950 Westpark
    Houston, TX

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    18333 Egret Bay Blvd
    Houston, TX

    Brown & Root Services
    7520 Mainland Dr
    San Antoio, TX

    Halliburton Energy Services
    8610 N New Braunfels Energy Plaza Ii, Ste. 614
    San Antonio, TX

    Computer Sciences Corporation
    4606 Centerview
    San Antonio, TX

    Kellogg Brown & Root/Union Carbide
    Hwy 185 North
    Seadrift, TX

    Bechtel Corp
    960 Levoy Dr
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Dyncorp
    5536 S 1900 W
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Dyncorp Inc.
    2242 W North Temple
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Dyncorp Inc.
    2150 W 700 N
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Csc-Dyncorp
    6101 Stevenson Avenue
    Alexandria, VA

    Dyncorp
    2550 Huntington Ave
    Alexandria, VA

    Dyncorp I & ET
    6101 Stevenson Ave
    Alexandria, VA

    Brown & Root Services
    1550 Wilson Blvd Ste 400
    Arlington, VA

    Brown & Root Services
    1611 North Kent St Ste 508
    Arlington, VA


  • Mike_BellMike_Bell 5,736 Posts
    I've reached a new level of understanding regarding the wars in Iraq...beyond the obvious farce of promoting democracy, the US coalition hasn't just been grabbing oil, securing a strategic vantage point, or doing the bidding of the Israelis...they are effectively exterminating the Arab population of Iraq. All of the chemical weapons supplied to Saddam to fight the Iranians, the indiscriminant bombing of civilian targets, the sanctions specifically designed to harm children, the depleted uranium that has mutated babies and advanced cancer cases beyond belief...

    Maybe I've been slow to fully realize it, but this war is more about population control than anything else.

    Doesn't get much sicker than that.



    This is exactly why I'm getting out of the military..I've been blessed not to kill none of the Iraqi people when I went over there in 2003.

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    I've reached a new level of understanding regarding the wars in Iraq...beyond the obvious farce of promoting democracy, the US coalition hasn't just been grabbing oil, securing a strategic vantage point, or doing the bidding of the Israelis...they are effectively exterminating the Arab population of Iraq. All of the chemical weapons supplied to Saddam to fight the Iranians, the indiscriminant bombing of civilian targets, the sanctions specifically designed to harm children, the depleted uranium that has mutated babies and advanced cancer cases beyond belief...

    Maybe I've been slow to fully realize it, but this war is more about population control than anything else.

    Doesn't get much sicker than that.



    This is exactly why I'm getting out of the military..I've been blessed not to kill none of the Iraqi people when I went over there in 2003.

    I'm liking this Archaic fellow. What else does he post about?

    Props to you Bellcity for getting in and getting out. My brother got discharged 2 weeks before they sent his cavalry out there... he's a single parent and they were still trying to make more orphans. The first thing he said after the invasion was, oh shit, they need police in there - my guys are just trained to blow stuff up and move forward. Soldiers aren't dumb, that's why they hurt when they get back here.

  • bonzaisk8bonzaisk8 946 Posts
    Would you agree with this, however?

    The US is just simply reserving their interest in oil and strategic ground for the next 50 years before China could get ahold of it. Afterall, energy is the most important piece for world power. If it's not us, then it's the next superpower. Why else would we be making such wreckless moves out there. Because we know that we are already in a heap of shit.





  • ArchaicArchaic 633 Posts
    Bam, you never cease to amaze me. But what to do? Letters are ignored. Protests get you profiled. My thought has always been to overthrow the Federal Reserve System but that takes practically an entire nation working together. Plus they'd still have the guns. Sadly we're so far away from putting any sort of dent in these evil plots that I'm left bewildered in the face of such a seemingly impossible task.

    I've got a cousin and a friend that are both serving in Iraq now, neither of whom are known to be of the mindless soldier type. While I can't wait for them to return home, I'm so very scared of what their mindstates will be once they do.


  • ArchaicArchaic 633 Posts
    Would you agree with this, however?

    The US is just simply reserving their interest in oil and strategic ground for the next 50 years before China could get ahold of it. Afterall, energy is the most important piece for world power. If it's not us, then it's the next superpower. Why else would we be making such wreckless moves out there. Because we know that we are already in a heap of shit.


    It would be much easier to develop an alternative source of power. Besides the Chinese threat is an integral part of an overriding global plan that sees no difference between countries other than as so-called opposites of yet another Hegelian dialectic mindfuck. In other words, don't believe the hype!!!

  • BamboucheBambouche 1,484 Posts
    Bam, you never cease to amaze me. But what to do? Letters are ignored. Protests get you profiled. My thought has always been to overthrow the Federal Reserve System but that takes practically an entire nation working together. Plus they'd still have the guns. Sadly we're so far away from putting any sort of dent in these evil plots that I'm left bewildered in the face of such a seemingly impossible task.



    Dissidence Begins Within



    Brown & Root Services

    505 East Huntland Drive #220

    Austin, TX



    Brown & Root Services

    7000 Cameron Road

    Austin, TX



    Bechtel Corp

    2800 S I H 35

    Austin, TX



    Bechtel Inc.

    2319 Westoak Dr

    Austin, TX



    There are 4 locations in your neck of the woods. I don't mind getting profiled. I was at the February 15 protest in NYC before we invaded Iraq. Being there, among the crowd, you could see people were nervous. Mothers, cops, kids. Clutching their children. Clutching their guns. Clutching their horse's reigns.



    Did it make a difference? Who knows. The war is over, right? GW announced it over a year ago. (WTF?) If it seems like it makes no difference, we need only compare it to Vietnam, and the amount of time it took protests to assemble. Action is almost immediate these days. And who can deny the power of a Bechtel CEO leaving work and being spit in the face by some (white) dude in a Project Blowed shirt (forgive me, I'm only being funny) screaming about his cousins and friends in Iraq. Now, if you brought 5 friends, and they brought 5 friends, and they brought 5 friends... And that Bechtel dude was getting loogied by 500 angry motherfuckers, I think it'd make a difference. Some Austin housewife whose son is fighting, or died, or thinking of joining, sees it on the news, realizes it's 10 minutes from her house... Attention makes those Bechtel dudes nervous. Attention changes public perception. Attention makes evil shit-doers change their policies.





    My girl's cousin just got back from Iraq. A tour in Afghanistan and two in Iraq. He's home for a bit, but he's going back. I worry too. My thoughts are with your dudes, and bellcity1.





    It boils down to what you are willing to do. I don't mind my name on a list. Or being profiled. Fuck it. I've got a pentagram tattooed on my neck, what do I have to lose?

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet

    Support local shit, learn the difference between real and fake...

    Don't fly everywhere just coz it's cheap
    Don't eat sushi in Iowa
    Don't upgrade your phone coz they say you can
    Don't sleep with the A/C on, use a fan
    Dig
    Carry a plastic bag in your pocket[/b], like if you own a dog except use it when you stop by the deli on the way back from work etc... plastic is the big secret evil that we are all addicted to way more than gas, and likewise comes from petroleum. note: make sure not to have the bag hang out your back pocket.

    Don't be a dumb consumer...

    In other words, be poor like me

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    The war is over, right? GW announced it over a year ago. (WTF?)

    2 years ago!!!

    The problem is that corporations are just making a world a better place for you, the consumer, and until their shareholders tell them otherwise, they will keep on doing what they are doing.

    How many people here are shareholders??????? A lot I bet.

    and...
    You could switch to Progressive Car Insurance, they give all their political donations to Dems, in other words, piss it into the wind.

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    Would you agree with this, however?

    The US is just simply reserving their interest in oil and strategic ground for the next 50 years before China could get ahold of it. Afterall, energy is the most important piece for world power. If it's not us, then it's the next superpower. Why else would we be making such wreckless moves out there. Because we know that we are already in a heap of shit.

    India as well.

  • ArchaicArchaic 633 Posts
    Bam, you never cease to amaze me. But what to do? Letters are ignored. Protests get you profiled. My thought has always been to overthrow the Federal Reserve System but that takes practically an entire nation working together. Plus they'd still have the guns. Sadly we're so far away from putting any sort of dent in these evil plots that I'm left bewildered in the face of such a seemingly impossible task.

    Dissidence Begins Within

    Brown & Root Services
    505 East Huntland Drive #220
    Austin, TX

    Brown & Root Services
    7000 Cameron Road
    Austin, TX

    Bechtel Corp
    2800 S I H 35
    Austin, TX

    Bechtel Inc.
    2319 Westoak Dr
    Austin, TX

    There are 4 locations in your neck of the woods. I don't mind getting profiled. I was at the February 15 protest in NYC before we invaded Iraq. Being there, among the crowd, you could see people were nervous. Mothers, cops, kids. Clutching their children. Clutching their guns. Clutching their horse's reigns.

    Did it make a difference? Who knows. The war is over, right? GW announced it over a year ago. (WTF?) If it seems like it makes no difference, we need only compare it to Vietnam, and the amount of time it took protests to assemble. Action is almost immediate these days. And who can deny the power of a Bechtel CEO leaving work and being spit in the face by some (white) dude in a Project Blowed shirt (forgive me, I'm only being funny) screaming about his cousins and friends in Iraq. Now, if you brought 5 friends, and they brought 5 friends, and they brought 5 friends... And that Bechtel dude was getting loogied by 500 angry motherfuckers, I think it'd make a difference. Some Austin housewife whose son is fighting, or died, or thinking of joining, sees it on the news, realizes it's 10 minutes from her house... Attention makes those Bechtel dudes nervous. Attention changes public perception. Attention makes evil shit-doers change their policies.


    My girl's cousin just got back from Iraq. A tour in Afghanistan and two in Iraq. He's home for a bit, but he's going back. I worry too. My thoughts are with your dudes, and bellcity1.


    It boils down to what you are willing to do. I don't mind my name on a list. Or being profiled. Fuck it. I've got a pentagram tattooed on my neck, what do I have to lose?

    I did a lot of protesting during the '91 Gulf War. All it seem to do was turn some of my friends and family members against me (good riddance, but still). And while spitting loogies into the faces of pigs sounds great, I'm not trying to get arrested, microchopped, brainwashed, etc. at least for the sake of my wife and daughter. I suppose everyone has their excuse, but I'm going to hold out until I can come up with something that both helps AND keeps me relatively safe.



  • ArchaicArchaic 633 Posts
    The war is over, right? GW announced it over a year ago. (WTF?)

    2 years ago!!!

    The problem is that corporations are just making a world a better place for you, the consumer, and until their shareholders tell them otherwise, they will keep on doing what they are doing.

    How many people here are shareholders??????? A lot I bet.

    and...
    You could switch to Progressive Car Insurance, they give all their political donations to Dems, in other words, piss it into the wind.

    Everyone with a social security card is not only a shareholder in the old Virgina Company, otherwise known as the United States of America, but also responsible for the debt it's been paying off to world bankers since it went bankrupt back in the 30's.


  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    but I'm going to hold out until I can come up with something that both helps AND keeps me relatively safe.

    Coz, while things are bad, there is a world safety net for us lighter-skinned folk, and the risks are great if we want to get all egalitarian and shit.

    Consumer Democracy = pact with the devil, but I quite like my 2 car garage. Especially when the rest of the world is portrayed as dirt-poor charity cases.

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    I'm going to hold out until I can come up with something that both helps AND keeps me relatively safe.

    This is going to be more and more difficult.



    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet
    Vote with your wallet

    Support local shit, learn the difference between real and fake...

    Carry a plastic bag in your pocket[/b], like if you own a dog except use it when you stop by the deli on the way back from work etc... plastic is the big secret evil that we are all addicted to way more than gas, and likewise comes from petroleum. note: make sure not to have the bag hang out your back pocket.

    Don't be a dumb consumer...

    Very good advice. And oh, here (you know, to be legit and all):


  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts

    Everyone with a social security card is not only a shareholder in the old Virgina Company, otherwise known as the United States of America, but also responsible for the debt it's been paying off to world bankers since it went bankrupt back in the 30's.

    I get what you are saying... sometimes I feel that the Brits (meaning the aristocracy and merchants, who ain't British and never were!) never gave up the US, they just farmed it out to the puppet govt and called it a republic.

    Makes us look good - Tony Blair could run for senate over here and be a shoe in.

  • they are effectively exterminating the Arab population of Iraq. All of the chemical weapons supplied to Saddam to fight the Iranians, the indiscriminant bombing of civilian targets, the sanctions specifically designed to harm children, the depleted uranium that has mutated babies and advanced cancer cases beyond belief...

    Maybe I've been slow to fully realize it, but this war is more about population control than anything else.

    Here I go again on my paranoid rant about the far right's conspiracy to strenghten Israel's hold on the Holy Land so as to fulfill the prophecy spelled out in Revelations. By seeking to weaken the Arab/Muslim presence in the Middle East, I don't doubt that they're trying to set up the conditions for the Apocalypse.

    That's why any time Bush criticizes Israel he gets swarmed with letters from fundamentalist christians. And why he backs down most of the time.

    I know it sounds crazy, but yo those fundamentalists are some crazy motherfuckers.


  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    Very good advice. And oh, here (you know, to be legit and all):

    No Babylon man covers on there though right?

    Actually, I think armageddeon might not be so bad... you know, sounds scary and all, but people will be like "yo, this is cool, we're hanging out shooting the shit, picking avocados and making beats instead of wasting time on this lame message board!"

  • ArchaicArchaic 633 Posts


    Here I go again on my paranoid rant about the far right's conspiracy to strenghten Israel's hold on the Holy Land so as to fulfill the prophecy spelled out in Revelations. By seeking to weaken the Arab/Muslim presence in the Middle East, I don't doubt that they're trying to set up the conditions for the Apocalypse.

    That's why any time Bush criticizes Israel he gets swarmed with letters from fundamentalist christians. And why he backs down most of the time.

    I know it sounds crazy, but yo those fundamentalists are some crazy motherfuckers.

    Why do you think of it as only a far-right conspiracy?





    Again, Hegelian dialectic...in which far right (dictatorial fascism) = far left (communist fascism).


  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    Secret Chimp, your theory is valid if you take it as a smaller part of the whole spiel. UPN or whoever runs WWE programming coz it makes money, but there are a large segment of the viewers who really believe that (insert name) is gonna get an asswhoopin by (insert name) (I'm old, I would have said Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Randy Savage.) Similar with the whole bomb their people and covert them to christianity shit pushed by Ann Coulter and co.

    www.raptureready.com is one of the craziest sites out there.

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    Very good advice. And oh, here (you know, to be legit and all):

    No Babylon man covers on there though right?


    Actually, I think armageddeon might not be so bad... you know, sounds scary and all, but people will be like "yo, this is cool, we're hanging out shooting the shit, picking avocados and making beats instead of wasting time on this lame message board!"

    HAH! I kinda agree with you. I think the only way to set things right is to start from scratch.

    I was more referring to the lyrics of Armagideon Time...though that record is (here comes a lowly opinion) great.

  • Mike_BellMike_Bell 5,736 Posts
    I've reached a new level of understanding regarding the wars in Iraq...beyond the obvious farce of promoting democracy, the US coalition hasn't just been grabbing oil, securing a strategic vantage point, or doing the bidding of the Israelis...they are effectively exterminating the Arab population of Iraq. All of the chemical weapons supplied to Saddam to fight the Iranians, the indiscriminant bombing of civilian targets, the sanctions specifically designed to harm children, the depleted uranium that has mutated babies and advanced cancer cases beyond belief...

    Maybe I've been slow to fully realize it, but this war is more about population control than anything else.

    Doesn't get much sicker than that.



    This is exactly why I'm getting out of the military..I've been blessed not to kill none of the Iraqi people when I went over there in 2003.

    I'm liking this Archaic fellow. What else does he post about?

    Props to you Bellcity for getting in and getting out. My brother got discharged 2 weeks before they sent his cavalry out there... he's a single parent and they were still trying to make more orphans. The first thing he said after the invasion was, oh shit, they need police in there - my guys are just trained to blow stuff up and move forward. Soldiers aren't dumb, that's why they hurt when they get back here.
    Thanks. They (the military) don't give a flying what. I've seen many single parents sent to the warzone without any regard to their situation. Shit's foul...Oh KBR (Kellogg Brown And Root) is strictly a money making thing. I know a lot of dudes who's in Iraq right now making 100,000+ per year working for KBR. My brother once told me that this all boils down to money. He could be right...

  • Very good advice. And oh, here (you know, to be legit and all):

    No Babylon man covers on there though right?


    Actually, I think armageddeon might not be so bad... you know, sounds scary and all, but people will be like "yo, this is cool, we're hanging out shooting the shit, picking avocados and making beats instead of wasting time on this lame message board!"

    I heard someone say the other day that what's scariest about Bush is not that he wants to be President, but that he wants to be the last[/b] President...

  • Mike_BellMike_Bell 5,736 Posts
    Very good advice. And oh, here (you know, to be legit and all):

    No Babylon man covers on there though right?


    Actually, I think armageddeon might not be so bad... you know, sounds scary and all, but people will be like "yo, this is cool, we're hanging out shooting the shit, picking avocados and making beats instead of wasting time on this lame message board!"

    I heard someone say the other day that what's scariest about Bush is not that he wants to be President, but that he wants to be the last[/b] President...
    To paraphrase Prodigy of Mobb Deep, "We better have that riot gear ready."

  • Why do you think of it as only a far-right conspiracy?

    Well, I sort of lump those reborn Christian fundamentalists with the far right.. do I have that wrong?

    I know that not ALL right wing conservatives are fundamentalists, but to a very large extent the people that vote them into office are.

  • ArchaicArchaic 633 Posts
    Why do you think of it as only a far-right conspiracy?

    Well, I sort of lump those reborn Christian fundamentalists with the far right.. do I have that wrong?

    I know that not ALL right wing conservatives are fundamentalists, but to a very large extent the people that vote them into office are.

    OK, let me put it this way...do you really think that the right wing Christian fundamentalists are pushing the Zionist agenda any harder than the left wing Jewish coalition?

    All in all, since the Anti-Defamation League is actually an extension of Mossad aka Israeli intelligence, left and right mean very little when it comes to Zionism in America.





  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Why do you think of it as only a far-right conspiracy?

    Well, I sort of lump those reborn Christian fundamentalists with the far right.. do I have that wrong?

    I know that not ALL right wing conservatives are fundamentalists, but to a very large extent the people that vote them into office are.

    OK, let me put it this way...do you really think that the right wing Christian fundamentalists are pushing the Zionist agenda any harder than the left wing Jewish coalition?

    All in all, since the Anti-Defamation League is actually an extension of Mossad aka Israeli intelligence, left and right mean very little when it comes to Zionism in America.





    Both fucking scum. Hi Vitamin! The Zionists have found willing allies in the Christian fundamentalists although their pushing different versions of what "will" happen... but yeah, they are working together.

    Thankfully there are lots of left wing Jews who disagree with Israel's policies and to an extent its existence.

    I don't think that the "Christian fundamentalists strengthening Israel's hold on the middle east for possible apocalypse" is paranoid at all. It's pretty much a stated agenda at this point.

  • The Zionists have found willing allies in the Christian fundamentalists although their pushing different versions of what "will" happen... but yeah, they are working together.

    Very true. I'm sure Israel welcomes any help they can get from a bunch of delusional christian freaks. And they're laughing all the way to the bank. I bet the amount of money that has been sent to them by fundamentalist groups is astronomical.

  • HAZHAZ 3,376 Posts
    The Zionists have found willing allies in the Christian fundamentalists although their pushing different versions of what "will" happen... but yeah, they are working together.

    Very true. I'm sure Israel welcomes any help they can get from a bunch of delusional christian freaks. And they're laughing all the way to the bank. I bet the amount of money that has been sent to them by fundamentalist groups is astronomical.

    The Lizard People, The Elders Of Zion & The Masons...They run the world...


  • The Zionists have found willing allies in the Christian fundamentalists although their pushing different versions of what "will" happen... but yeah, they are working together.

    Very true. I'm sure Israel welcomes any help they can get from a bunch of delusional christian freaks. And they're laughing all the way to the bank. I bet the amount of money that has been sent to them by fundamentalist groups is astronomical.

    ain't shit compared to what are fundamentalist government is sending.
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