I want a Seven B comp NOW.

luckluck 4,077 Posts
edited June 2005 in Record Collecting
This is my challenge to you folks:7001 - Roger & Gypsies - Pass The Hatchet / Pass The Hatchet Part 27002 - Eddie Bo - What You Gonna Do / Fallin' In Love7003 - Oliver Morgan - Roll Call / Sure Is Nice7004 - Sharon Gilbert - I Wonder What Would Happen / Where The Lonely Go7005 - Eddie Bo - From This Day On / Let Our Love Begin7006 - Eddie Lang - Something Within Me / Love I Have For You7007 - Oliver Morgan - La La Man / La La Man Part 27008 - Eddie Bo - Just Friends / Fence Of Love7009 - Pat Brown - Good Got To Suffer For The Bad / He's A Wonderful Guy7010 - Art Van - All My Love / Little Girl7011 - Eddie Bo - Skate It Out / All I Ask Of You7012 - Oliver Morgan - What's Good To You / ?7013 - Crescents - I'll Make A Vow / Come Back, Baby7014 - Eddie Lang - Sad One / Souling7015 - Eddie Bo - S.G.B. / Solid Foundation7016 - Lonny McDaniel & New Era - I Keep Telling Myself / Something Out Of Nothing7017 - Eddie Bo - Lover & A Friend / If I Had To Do It Over7018 - Bobby Williams - Boogaloo Mardi Gras / Part 27019 - Barbara George - Something You Got / Satisfied With Your Love7020 - Roy Ward - Horse With A Freeze / Part 27024 - Gerald Taylor - Lonely Man / I'm Coming Home7027 - Don Pittman - Didi-Wa / Saint Louis Blues7028 - Don Pittman - Mack The Knife / Leaving It Up To You7029 - Don Pittman - Almost Lost My Mind / Jambalaya7031 - Little Buck - Little Boy Blue / Whisper My Name7036 - Little Buck - Hurt In My Heart / True Love So Rare7039 - Don Pittman - I Can't Believe You've Stopped Loving Me / Stand By Your Man7041 - Denny Taylor - Make It / ?7042 - Pete Eveland & Royal Canal Street - Afternoon With Daisy / Drivin' Down To Dixie1225 - Isaac Clarke - Santa Claus Is Coming To Town / Part 2Except for maybe that last one.THEN I want a Proper Eddie Bo catch-all (Bo-Sound/Scram/Gold Cup/Knight/House of the Fox/Capitol/Big 9/Power Pac/etc.) in a BIG FAT BOX SET. Shit, throw in his 100+ "early" sides for good measure, too. 200+ songs? With bonus tracks and a huge recordpornphotobook? Why fucking not? Why is this so hard to envision? I mean, maybe a Volume One and Two is in order, but it's worth the years of legal molasses. Edwin Bocage is one of the more prolific writer/producers of popular music in the last 50 years, and he has no definitive multi-disc anthology. This is a fucking travesty. I can't say that I totally hate Funky Delicacies and Tuff City for their previous NOLA efforts housed in their tacky, terrible covers with questionable tracklistings and occasionally murky mixes (although I probably should), but we need Numero (or hell, Hip-O Select or Revenant) up in this shit. Fuck all naysayers.Remember: We Are SoulStrut. We Can Make It Happen.As you were.
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  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
    7015 - Eddie Bo - S.G.B.

    "I'm tired of you doggin' me around, with the kind of stuff you're puttin' down, that Stone Graveyard Business!!" [/b] (insert James Brown riff here)

    Love this song. Right down to the archaic expression "Stone Graveyard Business" (which I have to start using one day). And the fact that he doesn't even spell it out in the title, it's just cryptically repped by the initials!!! In New Orleans they knew how to do it...

  • the_jthe_j 49 Posts
    Here here

  • SoulhawkSoulhawk 3,197 Posts
    Sources tell me the Santa Claus tune is actually pure fire...

    A couple of the other later 7B's are country & are a preferable choice to be dumped.

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  • devoglamdevoglam 143 Posts
    i agree with you.

  • I've been pushing for something like this for a long time. Unfortunately it looks like the parasitic suckfish that run Tuff City have the rights to a lot of Eddie Bo's stuff. Following their track record I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for anything cool/comprehensive from them.
    A label like Sundazed needs to get involved.

  • Maybe Jazzman Gerald would be willing to take that challenge after the Saadia comp he's working on is done....

  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    Maybe Jazzman Gerald would be willing to take that challenge after the Saadia comp he's working on is done....

    I could put it up to him - I was thinking the same thing. I'll be first in line for that Florida Funk.

  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
    I had traded a few e-mails with Veronica and said she would love if someone did seek interest in doing one. I contacted Rhino Records about it too and they didn't feel it was of interest TO THEM, even though I said I know of many writers who would do a great job in research and liner notes (Egon, Dante, Soulman, Shadow).

    This is something I wish I could do, but I do not have the funds to do the groundwork, unlike some of you. If it's a matter of finding any existing masters, or finding top quality vinyl to master from, and dealing with licensing and everything else, do it. A 5CD box set would work for me, and were there any TV shows in New Orleans that were the equivalent of "American Bandstand"? See if any footage exists. Or public TV, radio broadcasts.

    However, I think Tuff City owns the masters so... I don't know.

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    7001 - Roger & Gypsies - Pass The Hatchet / Pass The Hatchet Part 2
    7002 - Eddie Bo - What You Gonna Do / Fallin' In Love
    7009 - Pat Brown - Good Got To Suffer For The Bad / He's A Wonderful Guy
    7017 - Eddie Bo - Lover & A Friend / If I Had To Do It Over
    7019 - Barbara George - Something You Got / Satisfied With Your Love
    7020 - Roy Ward - Horse With A Freeze / Part 2
    7036 - Little Buck - Hurt In My Heart / True Love So Rare

    Got these covered, K.

  • DJFerrariDJFerrari 2,411 Posts
    That would be nice... my Seven B collection starts and stops at Pass the Hatchet.

    I also really want a 45 reissue with Garden of Four Trees and Jockey Ride.

    DJ Ferrari

  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
    I contacted Rhino Records about it too and they didn't feel it was of interest TO THEM

    FORGET Rhino, somebody like Eddie Bo would be way too obscure for them

  • I dunno, they did Mal Sharpe and the Kazoo orchestra things...

    Plus, they put out that Standing Tall film again.

    Side note: Is that Carol Jones singing in the club scene of that film? WOW!!!!!!!





    Those Soul Jazz comps are pretty solid, I wonder if they had problems with the licensing? Another volume with some more obscure stuff would be nice.

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    if fuchs owns the masters forget about it. there's a whole level of hell reserved for that man.

  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
    I contacted Rhino Records about it too and they didn't feel it was of interest TO THEM

    FORGET Rhino, somebody like Eddie Bo would be way too obscure for them

    Well, the same could have been said with The Meters. PLUS, Rhino now owns Sundazed. I wrote to Rhino asking them to reissue the Meters stuff on vinyl, and they said there was no reason to do so, as there was no market that would buy it. So what happens? Exactly.

    Rhino USED to be about the obscure, but that was when they were releasing Star Of David-shaped and fish head shaped picture discs. If they felt Eddie Bo was too obscure, they could run it through Sundazed.

    But again, if Tuff City has the rights to it, it's up to them.

  • pointmanpointman 1,042 Posts
    The Don Pittman records are the country joints to avoid. Though if your really interested for some twisted reason I have two of them.

    A Bo boxset would be some hot shit for sure.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,475 Posts
    if fuchs owns the masters forget about it. there's a whole level of hell reserved for that man.

    if fuchs owns the masters forget about it. there's a whole level of hell reserved for that man.

    if fuchs owns the masters forget about it. there's a whole level of hell reserved for that man.

    if fuchs owns the masters forget about it. there's a whole level of hell reserved for that man.

    if fuchs owns the masters forget about it. there's a whole level of hell reserved for that man.

    if fuchs owns the masters forget about it. there's a whole level of hell reserved for that man.

    if fuchs owns the masters forget about it. there's a whole level of hell reserved for that man.

    if fuchs owns the masters forget about it. there's a whole level of hell reserved for that man.

    (Seriously, has anybody ever said anything good about Aaron Fuchs?)

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    FORGET Rhino, somebody like Eddie Bo would be way too obscure for them

    Well, the same could have been said with The Meters.

    Naw, the Meters have ALWAYS been worshipped by rock fans, and they did other more famous things... and they had those crossover major label records in the mid-70s. And they tour the country regularly. Hippie/jam-band fans love them.

    The Meters are pretty damn huge by funk standards

    Eddie Bo is far more obscure... a Rhino-type behemoth would only be interested in doing maybe the early R&B sides, if any...

  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    The Don Pittman records are the country joints to avoid. Though if your really interested for some twisted reason I have two of them.

    Sue me - I'm a completist. What do you want for them? Shipping? PM me.

  • Someone could probably license/issue a Seven B comp. It was one of Joe Banashak's labels (Minit/Instant were his too) and some of the material has already seen the light of day on a Charly comp in the UK.
    If Sundazed couldn't get it together, certainly someone in the UK (like Jazzman) could swing it.
    As far as the rest of Bo's post-Seven B stuff, I imagine that Fuchs has his mitts on it (much of it has been issued on Tuff City).

  • Just to reiterate, it seems Soul Jazz had no problems with the Scram, Power or Seven B stuff...they are legit yes?

  • Just to reiterate, it seems Soul Jazz had no problems with the Scram, Power or Seven B stuff...they are legit yes?

    I believe they are, but I'm not sure of the chronology, i.e. does the Soul Jazz licensing pre-date the Tuff City stuff or not?

    I wonder what the situation is with the Bo-Sound stuff? 'Check Your Bucket' was issued in the UK back in 1973 on Action, so someone was licensing it even then.

  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
    I contacted Rhino Records about it too and they didn't feel it was of interest TO THEM



    FORGET Rhino, somebody like Eddie Bo would be way too obscure for them



    Well, the same could have been said with The Meters.



    Not quite - not to slight Eddie, but the Meters had more of a long-range influence and they were actually popular in their day. Hell, "Sophisticated Cissy" and "Cissy Strut" both charted in the pop Top 40. Eddie, on the other hand, may have had a hit or two, but never really broke out.



    Rhino USED to be about the obscure, but that was when they were releasing Star Of David-shaped and fish head shaped picture discs.



    I don't think Rhino was ever about obscure, so much as overlooked. Sure, they put out comps on Slim Harpo, the Standells, and the Beau Brummels, but these were all once-famous artists who just didn't have much in print. Every now and then they'd dig deep (as when they put out that Thee Midniters compilation), but there was only so far into the ground they were going to go. By contrast, Sundazed has reissued stuff that even the 80's-era Rhino wouldn't have fucked with.


  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
    I don't think Rhino was ever about obscure, so much as overlooked. Sure, they put out comps on Slim Harpo, the Standells, and the Beau Brummels, but these were all once-famous artists who just didn't have much in print. Every now and then they'd dig deep (as when they put out that Thee Midniters compilation), but there was only so far into the ground they were going to go. By contrast, Sundazed has reissued stuff that even the 80's-era Rhino wouldn't have fucked with.



    Isn't that more or less one and the same? I'm ready to be sonned again.



    With Rhino, I go back to what they were doing pre-1985. Then again, I cared more about their World's Worst Records[/b] stuff than anything they did with the Yardbirds, Nazz, and The Turtles.

  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    By contrast, Sundazed has reissued stuff that even the 80's-era Rhino wouldn't have fucked with.



    Gurus, anyone?




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    I often mix-up Prnce Buster and Eddie Bo. Both not the greatest singers in the world whom personally voiced gorgeous love songs ...and penned/produced some of the greatest tunes ever recorded.

    ...andd situated in music mecca's.


    K.

  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    I mean, this got reissued this week:



    ...so you KNOW Mr. Bocage has next. Or maybe it's:


  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
    I don't think Rhino was ever about obscure, so much as overlooked.

    Isn't that more or less one and the same?

    Lemme break it down, John:

    Overlooked = people who had success - POP success - but aren't exactly considered part of the Great Rock Library. Roll call: the Standells, Spanky & Our Gang, Slim Harpo (this bluesman had two big crossover hits in '61 and '66), the Outsiders, Billy Vera, Lou Christie, Brian Hyland, the Bobby Fuller Four, the Beau Brummels, the Big Bopper, Sam the Sham, the Turtles, Stephen Bishop, the Kingsmen, the Music Machine. All of whom had a hit or two but no one was about to release a full-scale compilation. Rhino had best-ofs on all these artists.

    Obscure = people who didn't have ANY success, like Gandalf, the Next Morning, the International Submarine Band, or the Gurus. That's Sundazed's department. As gung-ho as Rhino was on 60's rock, they weren't going to go but SO far. Every now and then Rhino would release a comp on some regional 60's act like Thee Midniters or the Chocolate Watch Band, but in retrospect, they mainly stuck to one- and two-hit wonders, plus multi-hitters who were almost forgotten (like the Turtles).

    As far as Eddie Bo...it was, and is, rare for Rhino to reissue a record by a regional black act who never crossed over pop. Knowing what I know now, I couldn't see Rhino putting out an Eddie Bo compilation. But Sundazed would have jumped on it with all four feet.

    With Rhino, I go back to what they were doing pre-1985. Then again, I cared more about their World's Worst Records[/b] stuff than anything they did with the Yardbirds, Nazz, and The Turtles.

    I go back to Rhino's novelty years myself - I used to listen to Dr. Demento's show quite a bit when I was younger. But as far as records I'd like to play MORE THAN ONCE, they did a great job with the Turtles and all the rest. I mean, Gefilte Joe & the Fish and the Kazoos Brothers were INTERESTING, but hardly desert island discs!

  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
    Lemme break it down, John:

    Alright, alright, alright, you win. Shit.

    I guess to me, I was giving Rhino the benefit of the doubt, and maybe the people whom I talked to at Rhino at the time looked at it from a business standpoint, more than one which looked into the history of a musician or a music, or era?

    In a better world, there wouldn't be all this bullshit. In a better world, this box set would have been past history.

    I honestly know the differences, but in a better world it shouldn't exist. But things have to sell, however I think if Rhino gave the job to Sundazed, and if marketed correctly, if Sundazed were able to obtain any existing masters from Tuff City, I am sure they would do a good job.

    So let's get out of that for a moment. Let's say someone does bring up the idea for a Seven-B box set. Obviously Eddie Bo and his people would be in favor of it, but there is the issue of who owns the masters. There are enough writers, archivists, and journalists who could look into any existing tapes, session notes (if any exist, probably not), whatever. To take the concept of that box set, and market it to an audience who will buy it (think the way Egon does it with his reissues), but also make it appealing to those outside of that target audience. Or would thinking outside of that audience even matter?

    I like what Mosaic does with their reissued boxes. They'll get the complete sessions for an artist, maybe the complete Elvin Jones Atlantic Sessions, try to find any extras, and release it. Make it a limited edition of 5000 copies and cut it off. There's already a built in audience in Japan, so I'm sure a big chunk of boxes would go there (I heard with some jazz box sets, more than half of what they press up goes to Japan). Then you have the European collectors and fans. Then you have those of us in the U.S. who also want to hear it too.

    Eddie Bo is appealing to us because of how his music has been used and sampled over the years, but like those who got into James Brown for the same reason, we looked deeper to hear what he was about as an artist. That Wax Poetics interview was great, to have him admit that he freely did loads of sessions without much thought to it, and hinting that he did this and that under countless names, and maybe more.

    NPR would be a good way to promote a box set outside of the box's target audience. Those who may have a casual liking to soul music, or the music of New Orleans, might go "oh, Eddie Bo. Never heard of him, but I like those songs."

    I guess my point in my initial reply was not to get into a debate with you over overlooked and obscure, but to put the ideas out there so that a project like this can move forward. There is attention towards his music, and every few years there is a renewed awareness.

    I agree in that The Meters aren't so obscure, especially when they went on tour with the Rolling Stones and had a deal with Reprise. Eddie Bo had brief distribution through Capitol, but that was it. Rejects on American Idol cite The Meters as a major influence. Amerie's big song samples a Meters song, it gets attention for its funkiness. Eddie Bo ends up sitting in with Dr. John on one of his recent albums, and still plays jazz festivals from time to time, but still is unknown.

    I praise the regional heroes for doing their thing, and I guess I wished more could be done to promote his music outside of the target audience that looks to him as the supplier of great N.O. funk. Maybe Eddie Bo's music should only be enjoyed by those of us who came to enjoy his music first through the samples, and then hearing the music as is. If so, then someone take time to honor him with a great box set. There are loads of New Orleans compilations, why not a comprehensive Seven-B comp? Honor the regional heroes before they are no longer able to tell their story, their own way. If I had the money, I would get it rolling right now.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    I think Eddie Bo is too "under the radar" of Rhino/Sundazed's target audience, especially in terms of soul/funk music - Sundazed will try to sell "unknown" pop/psych stuff, because that's their audience, what the people who subscribe to their catalog look for. Soul, I would say when they do it, they go the mainstream route.

    I'm surprised noboby has suggested NYC's Norton Records , who have been all over R&B/Blues/Soul re-issues, done right and done well, and sold cheaper than most, too. King Hannibal, Nathaniel Mayer, Gino Washington...Eddie Bo & even the Seven B stuff would fit right in, just the right balance of obscurity/accessibility for their line.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    also, a question on the discography above - was Little Buck's "Walking In the Mist" a Seven B 45, does anyone have it, etc? I have it on one of those fantastic Bandy comp LP's (headz know), and googling found it credited to Seven B, but I didn't see it in the discog...that song is some powerful shit, by the way...
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