nothing in that bbc article says that the 8 people charged with conspiracy to committ murder (24 were arrested) were: capable of making bombs while on board the plane, had proper training to do so or gave actual confessions.
nothing in that bbc article says that the 8 people charged with conspiracy to committ murder (24 were arrested) were: capable of making bombs while on board the plane, had proper training to do so or gave actual confessions.
So none of these suspects had certificates from the Ron Popeil Bomb Making Academy nor did they actually admit that they were going to blow up planes??
3 more charged in jetliner bomb plot By MATT MOORE, Associated Press Writer Tue Aug 29, 6:34 PM ET
LONDON - British anti-terrorist police charged three more people late Tuesday with conspiring to commit murder in the alleged plot to blow up U.S.-bound airliners.
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The three ??? Mohammed Yasar Gulzar, Mohammed Shamin Uddin and Nabeel Hussain ??? were also charged with preparing to commit terrorism by helping in an alleged plan to smuggle explosives aboard the planes, police said.
Eleven people have now been charged on those two counts. Four others were charged with lesser offenses, including having knowledge of a terrorist activity but not disclosing information about it.
A Scotland Yard statement said Gulzar, Uddin and Hussain conspired with eight other suspects in the alleged plot and had intended to commit "acts of terrorism engaged in conduct to give effect to their intention to smuggle the component parts of improvised explosive devices onto aircraft and assemble and detonate them on board."
All three men will be arraigned on Wednesday.
Of 25 people originally arrested, 15 have been charged and are being held by police, five others remain in custody without charge and five have been released.
Chief Magistrate Timothy Workman earlier ordered Nabeel Hussain's brother Mehran Hussain held in custody until Sept. 19. Mehran Hussain, and his other brother, Umair, are charged with failing to tell police about Nabeel's alleged involvement in what prosecutors say was a plot to down airliners using plastic and liquid explosives.
Workman also ordered Cossar Ali, 24, held in custody until Sept. 5, when her lawyer David Gottlieb said he intends to apply for bail. Ali, the only woman charged so far in connection with the alleged plot, is accused of failing to disclose information about a possible terrorist attack.
Her husband, Ahmed Abdullah Ali, also is among the 15 people charged in the case.
Earlier in the day, a 17-year-old accused of storing an explosives manual and other documents connected to an alleged plot to blow up trans-Atlantic airliners was denied bail during a court appearance.
The teenager, who cannot be identified, was remanded until a Sept. 19 hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court.
His attorney, Gareth Peirce, said the teenager intended to plead not guilty. He faces up to 10 years in jail if convicted, prosecutor Colin Gibbs told the court.
Gibbs told the court the teenager is accused of storing an explosives manual, a map of Afghanistan and five wills made out by people planning to commit suicide bombings ??? items police consider likely connected to planned acts of terrorism.
A deadline for the detention of the remaining five suspects held without charge expires on Wednesday, but a police spokesman said it was not yet decided whether they would be charged or if police would seek further time for questioning.
Senior police officers said last week they were analyzing thousands of pieces of evidence seized in searches of dozens of properties and two stretches of woodland.
Investigators have found chemicals that can be used to make bombs, including hydrogen peroxide, and electrical components during their searches, said Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist department.
Months of surveillance had produced "significant video and audio recordings" about the alleged plot, he said, including "martyrdom videos" by some of the suspects.
More than 8,000 items of data storage, such as compact discs, DVDs and memory sticks, were found, authorities said.
As you bomb, you will be bombed, says video 'martyr' By Sean O???Neill
MARTYRDOM videos found by police investigating the alleged airline terrorist plot contain chilling statements made by young men who are apparently willing to die as suicide bombers. Seven videos are believed to have been found by officers who conducted 69 search operations after raids across Britain earlier this month.
In one of the films, recorded shortly before a spate of arrests on August 10, a man is seen talking to the camera and stating: ???As you bomb, you will be bombed; as you kill, you will be killed.???
The would-be martyr said he hoped that Allah would be ???pleased with us and accept our deed???. He continued, reading from a script, citing verses from the Koran and listing his reasons for ???action that I am going to undertake???.
His main motivation was the foreign policy of the United States and ???their accomplices, the UK and the Jews???.
In another search, police found a last will and testament that concluded: ???What should I worry when I die a Muslim in the manner in which I am to die? I go to my death for the sake of my maker, whom if wishes can bless limbs torn away.???
The latest information about police discoveries, revealed in The New York Times, suggests that detectives have amassed a huge haul of evidence about the conspiracy to blow up transatlantic airliners in mid-flight.
Among the possessions seized was a computer memory stick on which were stored details of airline routes and timetables.
No evidence has been found, however, that any of the suspects had made reservations or booked flight tickets.
The picture being built up by revelations from official sources is one of a plan which was not imminent but was at an advanced stage of preparation.
Five days after the initial raids, a search of woodland in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, uncovered a suitcase filled with chemicals that could have been used in the manufacture of high explosive.
Other discoveries include evidence of international money transfers and bombmaking equipment, including gloves, scales, batteries and a disposable camera that may have been modified to smuggle chemicals on board an aircraft.
Extremist literature and propaganda films were also recovered.
Many of the reported discoveries tally with information made public by Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of the Anti-Terrorist Branch.
One security official told The Times: ???We carried out surveillance for a long time and the one thing that struck us was how many people seemed to be willing to lose their lives. That surprised us but it also made us doubt whether they would ever be able to carry it out.???
It is understood that investigators would have liked to have been allowed to continue surveillance for a longer period before moving. But the arrests were triggered by the detention in Pakistan of Rashid Rauf, 25, from Birmingham.
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1.Bombs (check)
2.Training (check)
3.Tickets
4.Suspicious neighbors
5.Confessions (martyrdom videos - check)
nothing in that bbc article says that the 8 people charged with conspiracy to committ murder (24 were arrested) were: capable of making bombs while on board the plane, had proper training to do so or gave actual confessions.
So none of these suspects had certificates from the Ron Popeil Bomb Making Academy nor did they actually admit that they were going to blow up planes??
And they were arrested anyway?/
That's outrageous!!!
Tue Aug 29, 6:34 PM ET
LONDON - British anti-terrorist police charged three more people late Tuesday with conspiring to commit murder in the alleged plot to blow up U.S.-bound airliners.
ADVERTISEMENT
The three ??? Mohammed Yasar Gulzar, Mohammed Shamin Uddin and Nabeel Hussain ??? were also charged with preparing to commit terrorism by helping in an alleged plan to smuggle explosives aboard the planes, police said.
Eleven people have now been charged on those two counts. Four others were charged with lesser offenses, including having knowledge of a terrorist activity but not disclosing information about it.
A Scotland Yard statement said Gulzar, Uddin and Hussain conspired with eight other suspects in the alleged plot and had intended to commit "acts of terrorism engaged in conduct to give effect to their intention to smuggle the component parts of improvised explosive devices onto aircraft and assemble and detonate them on board."
All three men will be arraigned on Wednesday.
Of 25 people originally arrested, 15 have been charged and are being held by police, five others remain in custody without charge and five have been released.
Chief Magistrate Timothy Workman earlier ordered Nabeel Hussain's brother Mehran Hussain held in custody until Sept. 19. Mehran Hussain, and his other brother, Umair, are charged with failing to tell police about Nabeel's alleged involvement in what prosecutors say was a plot to down airliners using plastic and liquid explosives.
Workman also ordered Cossar Ali, 24, held in custody until Sept. 5, when her lawyer David Gottlieb said he intends to apply for bail. Ali, the only woman charged so far in connection with the alleged plot, is accused of failing to disclose information about a possible terrorist attack.
Her husband, Ahmed Abdullah Ali, also is among the 15 people charged in the case.
Earlier in the day, a 17-year-old accused of storing an explosives manual and other documents connected to an alleged plot to blow up trans-Atlantic airliners was denied bail during a court appearance.
The teenager, who cannot be identified, was remanded until a Sept. 19 hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court.
His attorney, Gareth Peirce, said the teenager intended to plead not guilty. He faces up to 10 years in jail if convicted, prosecutor Colin Gibbs told the court.
Gibbs told the court the teenager is accused of storing an explosives manual, a map of Afghanistan and five wills made out by people planning to commit suicide bombings ??? items police consider likely connected to planned acts of terrorism.
A deadline for the detention of the remaining five suspects held without charge expires on Wednesday, but a police spokesman said it was not yet decided whether they would be charged or if police would seek further time for questioning.
Senior police officers said last week they were analyzing thousands of pieces of evidence seized in searches of dozens of properties and two stretches of woodland.
Investigators have found chemicals that can be used to make bombs, including hydrogen peroxide, and electrical components during their searches, said Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist department.
Months of surveillance had produced "significant video and audio recordings" about the alleged plot, he said, including "martyrdom videos" by some of the suspects.
More than 8,000 items of data storage, such as compact discs, DVDs and memory sticks, were found, authorities said.
By Sean O???Neill
MARTYRDOM videos found by police investigating the alleged airline terrorist plot contain chilling statements made by young men who are apparently willing to die as suicide bombers.
Seven videos are believed to have been found by officers who conducted 69 search operations after raids across Britain earlier this month.
In one of the films, recorded shortly before a spate of arrests on August 10, a man is seen talking to the camera and stating: ???As you bomb, you will be bombed; as you kill, you will be killed.???
The would-be martyr said he hoped that Allah would be ???pleased with us and accept our deed???. He continued, reading from a script, citing verses from the Koran and listing his reasons for ???action that I am going to undertake???.
His main motivation was the foreign policy of the United States and ???their accomplices, the UK and the Jews???.
In another search, police found a last will and testament that concluded: ???What should I worry when I die a Muslim in the manner in which I am to die? I go to my death for the sake of my maker, whom if wishes can bless limbs torn away.???
The latest information about police discoveries, revealed in The New York Times, suggests that detectives have amassed a huge haul of evidence about the conspiracy to blow up transatlantic airliners in mid-flight.
Among the possessions seized was a computer memory stick on which were stored details of airline routes and timetables.
No evidence has been found, however, that any of the suspects had made reservations or booked flight tickets.
The picture being built up by revelations from official sources is one of a plan which was not imminent but was at an advanced stage of preparation.
Five days after the initial raids, a search of woodland in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, uncovered a suitcase filled with chemicals that could have been used in the manufacture of high explosive.
Other discoveries include evidence of international money transfers and bombmaking equipment, including gloves, scales, batteries and a disposable camera that may have been modified to smuggle chemicals on board an aircraft.
Extremist literature and propaganda films were also recovered.
Many of the reported discoveries tally with information made public by Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of the Anti-Terrorist Branch.
One security official told The Times: ???We carried out surveillance for a long time and the one thing that struck us was how many people seemed to be willing to lose their lives. That surprised us but it also made us doubt whether they would ever be able to carry it out.???
It is understood that investigators would have liked to have been allowed to continue surveillance for a longer period before moving. But the arrests were triggered by the detention in Pakistan of Rashid Rauf, 25, from Birmingham.