I Just DJ'd the Set of My Life...

DJFerrariDJFerrari 2,411 Posts
edited May 2006 in Strut Central
and no one was there to hear it...After a few off tracks while I figured out the system and monitors I went into 3 straight hours of ridiculously dope uptempo funk, soul, disco, rock and hip hop records old and new, perfectly mixed and creatively blended... for the 16 people that showed up to my show. The owner of the place wanted to kill me... instead he called some rap DJ to take my place. After getting yelled at by the owner and laughed at by the crowd on my way out, I actually broke down into tears when I got in my car. I can't remember the last time I cried. It was a full on Goodwill Hunting cry too except instead of a friendly shoulder to cry on I had a fucking steering wheel.So that's it... I give up. Every time I think it's going to get better, but it just gets worse. I get better, my collection gets better, but the crowd gets less receptive every time I play to the point where I'm now a laughing stock.Fuck San Jose... it's a good thing I'm successful in my real career otherwise I'd be outta here. I'm gonna regret posting this tomorrow, but I don't care right now. Clown on me for being named DJ Ferrari. That is all... good night.
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  • ja_bruceja_bruce 295 Posts
    Laughed at by the crowd ? What the fuck is up with that ? Suck it up mayne, it can only get better. Sorry to hear about the rough night.

  • Dude, that sucks. I'm sorry.

    Now go home and record that set and share it with people on the internets that would appreciate your talent.

  • m_dejeanm_dejean Quadratisch. Praktisch. Gut. 2,946 Posts
    I'm gonna regret posting this tomorrow, but I don't care right now. Clown on me for being named DJ Ferrari. That is all... good night.

    Nah, no clowning here. This is real shit and I think the majority of people on here who play out know the deal. Sounds like one of those really bad nights. I have to admit I've never experienced actually being laughed at by the crowd. Fuck 'em. You sound real serious about what you do, so you should at least be happy that you delivered a thorough set.

    One thing that's made me a happier DJ is being pickier about the gigs I say yes to. If I sense that I'm not the one they're really looking for, I say no thanks or point them in the direction of someone who is. So now I have fewer gigs, but I hardly ever experience those fucked-up nights anymore. Make sure the people who book you know what you stand for.

  • DjArcadianDjArcadian 3,633 Posts
    Dude, I've known you for years and have seen you progress incredibly as a DJ. DJing without using club bangers isn't easy or always successful regardless of how good you are. Don't give up. Just learn from this. Everyone who is successful pays their dues.

  • FlomotionFlomotion 2,391 Posts
    Tough night, mate. Sounds like the right set in the wrong place - we've all been there and it's frankly depressing. Not clowning the name but DJ Ferrari IS a tough name to carry off and even though it's a family name people won't know that and are going to think it's a cheesey car-inspired choice. Maybe drop the DJ and replace it with your first name? Chin up.

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    Sounds like the right set in the wrong place

  • tjamestjames 156 Posts

    Hey sorry to hear about your night. It can be hell figuring out where best to do your thing. Clubs can be tough.

    tjames

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts

    So that's it... I give up. Every time I think it's going to get better, but it just gets worse.

    This is the way I feel after some of my nights, except I've usually just paid some other DJ out my own pocket - I'd be happier if I could have just played my own records to an empty room, but yeah, the barstaff want tips.

    The thing is that the good times don't really seem like the good times at the time, only when you look back. But the bad times will slap you in the face right then and there. If that makes any sense, I say keep doing your thing, but keep a mental shitlist of all the people you're gonna be like "who?" to in the future

    Keep playing the music you want to play

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Ivan that is rugged. But seriously I don't know anyone in this game who hasn't had some ridiculously bad night. I know I have... and I've heard from enough DJs and artists (from miniscule to the largest of dudes) about similarly bad looks.

    Honestly man the 'Jo is not a place for the kind of stuff you were playing, unless specifically set up as such... you are pretty brave for trying to bring that out but I can't say I'm too surprised with the response... if I was to play out there I wouldn't even expect to get away with that kind of a set. I would say take it for what it is - either play that club shit or get down to SF where you can throw down some more open-minded sets.

    But trust me dude, whether it's getting laughed at, getting booed, having five people show up, having the club owner cut your set, or whatever it is... we've ALL been there. Trust me on that.

  • jaymackjaymack 5,199 Posts
    ouch.
    keep ya head up.

  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
    Dude... thats harsh. I feel for you.

  • djcoolhandsdjcoolhands 548 Posts
    Honestly man the 'Jo is not a place for the kind of stuff you were playing

    growing up in palo alto i can cosign this in a major way. san jose was the the land of mesh or shiny shirts and meat markets when i lived in the bay.

    keep doing what you do.

  • nzshadownzshadow 5,526 Posts
    Ivan that is rugged. But seriously I don't know anyone in this game who hasn't had some ridiculously bad night. I know I have... and I've heard from enough DJs and artists (from miniscule to the largest of dudes) about similarly bad looks.

    Honestly man the 'Jo is not a place for the kind of stuff you were playing, unless specifically set up as such... you are pretty brave for trying to bring that out but I can't say I'm too surprised with the response... if I was to play out there I wouldn't even expect to get away with that kind of a set. I would say take it for what it is - either play that club shit or get down to SF where you can throw down some more open-minded sets.

    But trust me dude, whether it's getting laughed at, getting booed, having five people show up, having the club owner cut your set, or whatever it is... we've ALL been there. Trust me on that.



    keep ya head up man.

  • DelayDelay 4,530 Posts
    Man Up, Ivan.

    play some corny shit. get paid. go home and make mixes of shit you like.

  • kidinquisitivekidinquisitive 1,627 Posts
    Man Up, Ivan.

    play some corny shit. get paid. go home and make mixes of shit you like.

    That may be good advice for some folks but Ivan mentioned that he doesn't need to "get paid" for DJ-ing since he has a real job - his primary motivation is to share some dope music with the public. Why would it make him happy to go through the motions of playing corny music for a bunch of corny people? And I agree with most everyone else Ivan, you got nothing to be ashamed of and we have all had to put up with this kind of nonsense at one point or another.

  • DelayDelay 4,530 Posts
    share some dope music with the public.


    seriously... it's a job. if it was'nt, people would'nt get paid to do it. once you learn that, you get more work. then, eventually, you might get to play stuff you like. get in where you fit in.

    no one ever lost money underestimating the taste of the american public.

  • DjArcadianDjArcadian 3,633 Posts
    Ivan, maybe you should organize with like minded DJs, get someone with a big following to headline and organize your own event in SF. Step-up your promotion, organize yourself and get a mailing list going, etc. Don't be put-off by one bad night but do learn from it.

  • keithvanhornkeithvanhorn 3,855 Posts
    props for what you are doing, but you really need to have a niche-type night in order to pull that off. club owners only care about money and no matter how next level your dj skills are, it all comes down to $$$$.

    don't sweat it. just make a mix and throw it up here. peer appreciation is where it's at.

  • rkwparkrkwpark 915 Posts
    dude im sorry to hear that... san jose can be realllllll rough. the only time ive gone into downtown to hear some great music is when they had the STANK weekly like 2-3 years ago put on by universal grammar (dj fuse one) that was in the summer and they had some great turnouts and some great music. it slowly died down once kids went back to school etc and the crowds havent been as big.

    i say keep doing what you do, regardless... just think of it this way, i was at the agenda a year ago or so when peanut butter wolf was spinning and he had almost no crowd!!! this is PB wolf, a san jose native turned big wig indy label head and he was spinning to an empty club.

    i still bump that demo mic you posted awhile back.

    peace,
    rich

  • yuichiyuichi Urban sprawl 11,332 Posts
    Fuck San Jose...

    i've never actually been there, but GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE!

  • DJFerrariDJFerrari 2,411 Posts
    Word up everybody... I feel okay now after sleeping it off.

    I was most upset about no one showing up... the whole point of this was to create that niche event for all the people around here who I thought wanted to hear what I have to offer. I guess my support system isn't as solid as I thought. It was a real slap in the face because I pride myself on being reliable and always there for the people I care about, but I guess I don't matter enough for them to return the favor. Of the 16 people that actually showed up for me, none of them were there when I was pulled off stage. A lot of people said they were coming and I was super excited about it because it was the first time I was the main event. I was hoping to turn it into a monthly, but I'll never play there again that's for sure.

    And yeah, it's not a money thing... I lost money last night on the deposit, but I don't care about that. I'd pay pretty much any amount of money to have people see me play and enjoy it. That's how important this whole thing is to me.

    I might just record the set today if I get over my bitterness. I know folks around here would enjoy it. Thanks,

    Ivan Ferrari

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    DONT EVER doubt your vision. If your servin' food that these dummies arent up on yet - FUCK'EM.
    Gettin' booed is a tough one though. Pain is part of self-revelation.
    I've found that being "eclectic" on the weekends is an uphill climb. Cats who are a little bit more receptive to what "different" DJs play, tend to hit the clubs/lounges/bars during the week. Sometime's its advantagous to camoflague your set w/ "common bangers" and throw your real personal shit in there after a couple of pitches. Both can exist together. Keep ya head up - dog.

    ps...drop the DJ title, its so 80's. Just the singular name iz where its at.

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Dogs I know HUNDREDS of people in NYC, what are the chances that they all show up to a gig? Slim to nothing. And that's true of every DJ I know! Friends of mine are always playing... sometimes mere blocks from my shop! But I can't always make it, sometimes I even say I will and then at that time, I'm just too wiped out or something came up. Don't take it personally just because someone didn't show that you thought would come through. At the end of the day, what builds a night is people you don't know coming down and enjoying it.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    At the end of the day, what builds a night is people you don't know coming down and enjoying it.


  • Mongo_SladeMongo_Slade 999 Posts
    That sounds real rough and I feel for you. In my experience, DJing successfully is always about playing to the crowd you HAVE, rather than the crowd that you WANT. When they're same thing and you're getting paid, life is sweet. If not, you either have to suck it up and play to the crowd you have or figure out how to get the crowd that you want. Arcadian's got some good suggestions on the latter.

    Ivan, maybe you should organize with like minded DJs, get someone with a big following to headline and organize your own event in SF. Step-up your promotion, organize yourself and get a mailing list going, etc. Don't be put-off by one bad night but do learn from it.

    As for friends not turning out, I definitely feel you on that shit-- it's a really depressing and there's no way that I know of to deal with it.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    As for friends not turning out, I definitely feel you on that shit-- it's a really depressing and there's no way that I know of to deal with it.

    Friends are cool in the beginning, 'cause It can appear u have a "core" audience, but really its the new listeners that stick around that really make the difference.

    Playin' radio bangers doesnt really set u apart from the next man/woman.

  • DjArcadianDjArcadian 3,633 Posts
    Curious, did you play out with OG raer vinyl's or was this on that Serato you bought recently.

  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
    I pretty much ditto what everyone else has said except Delay - it IS possible to start out DJing playing what YOU want. You don't have to "sell out" right off the bat, as long as you're willing to work at it and put up with relatively small returns on your investment of time & energy.

    Try getting an "off" night (Sun-Thu) at a club that already has a regular crowd, playing more of a "background music" set that doesn't require people to watch you or to dance. Non-dancefloor bars, restaurants, and even live music venues can be a good starting point. A place that has a 25-35 year-old clientele seems to work best. Get a regular weekly/biweekly/monthly night playing for $0-$50, promote the hell out of it with flyers, cards, emails, myspace, etc. and cross your fingers. If people like it, they'll let you know. And if it doesn't work, try another venue. 90% of the time, it's all about the location rather than the music.

    That's how I started about 5 years ago and through word of mouth, persistence, and just keeping my face/name out there, now I have about 7 regular monthly & biweekly gigs in three adjoining cities that all pay between $50 to $150+ apiece. That may not be Donald Trump money, but I play EXACTLY WHAT I WANT at every gig (generally bollywood/bhangra on CD and 60s-70s soul/funk/international/jazz/reggae on OG vinyl), and for the most part it's appreciated by both the clubowners and patrons.

    Sure there's slow nights, lunkheads who make horrible requests, and times when I wonder why I bother DJing at all. But I enjoy it and I'm making enough money to more than pay for all the records I buy. And when the nights are good, they're OFF THE HOOK. Plus I get free drinks and free meal, as well as always getting asked to DJ house parties, weddings, other gigs, etc. AND to do freelance graphic design based on my flyers. Believe me, in addtion to the music, DJing can be a great networking tool for whatever your dayjob is.

    Hope that helps.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    I went into 3 straight hours of ridiculously dope uptempo funk, soul, disco, rock and hip hop records old and new, perfectly mixed and creatively blended...

    POST THE MIX OR YOUR SOFT.

  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
    I went into 3 straight hours of ridiculously dope uptempo funk, soul, disco, rock and hip hop records old and new, perfectly mixed and creatively blended...

    POST THE MIX OR YOUR SOFT.

    Yes why stop at 16 people in San Jose laughing at you when you can have an entire international community of DJs mocking you too!
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