If Cam'ron made a record suggesting similar actions to, let's say Nas' daughter. Illegal? Or immoral?
To me the difference is that this cat directly addressed an audience of a million or so people and urged THEM to participate in bringing harm to a child. I honestly think the hate crime component of this whole thing is a canard, spurred on be publicity-hungry asswipes like Peter Vallone and John Liu. That said, the misdemeanor with which he has been charged is pretty apt in my opinion: he is without a doubt endangered the welfare of a child. I mean read the words as written: he put this girl's welfare in jeopardy. He didn't say "I'll hurt your kids", he said "hey New York, help me hurt this kid", thereby making himself responsible in part for whatever any of his stans in the greater metro area might have done to the girl to please him or to gain the $500.
Also, for the record I would've tossed Miss Jones ass off of Hot 97 after the Tsunami song. Just because your speech is protected by the first amendment, doesn't mean that a for-profit private company like Emmis is required to put up with it. Shit was just disgusting. It wasn't funny and it wasn't shocking, it was just callous and hateful.
He didn't say "I'll hurt your kids", he said "hey New York, help me hurt this kid",
I was under the impression the sentiment was closer to "hey New York, help me find these kids so I may hurt them." Although I assume a listener stupid enough to actually act on either request would also be stupid enough to not recognize the difference.
You're obviously better versed in the legal field than I, so I'll take your word for it that the charges are just. But on the surface it seems to fly in the face of what I understand to be the basic tenants of free speech.
Also, for the record I would've tossed Miss Jones ass off of Hot 97 after the Tsunami song.
I'm not surprised by that dj dude saying such foul shit because its just indicative of where hip hop culture is going. Today, there are very few positive figures in the rap game. Those that are around are shitty & suject to derision (see doo doo on a stick). Rap is a stinking morass of ignorance. And you can't spend so much time around unhealthy, negative shit before a screw comes loose & you wanna fuck an 8 year old in the ass or something equally fucked up.
I'm not surprised by that dj dude saying such foul shit because its just indicative of where hip hop culture is going. Today, there are very few positive figures in the rap game. Those that are around are shitty & suject to derision (see doo doo on a stick). Rap is a stinking morass of ignorance. And you can't spend so much time around unhealthy, negative shit before a screw comes loose & you wanna fuck an 8 year old in the ass or something equally fucked up.
That;s an easy blanket statement to make. One dude's mistake doesnt represent the entire culture. Dont let the media brainwash you. Oh yeah he doesnt rap or spin.
I'm not surprised by that dj dude saying such foul shit because its just indicative of where hip hop culture is going. Today, there are very few positive figures in the rap game. Those that are around are shitty & suject to derision (see doo doo on a stick). Rap is a stinking morass of ignorance. And you can't spend so much time around unhealthy, negative shit before a screw comes loose & you wanna fuck an 8 year old in the ass or something equally fucked up.
I'm not surprised by that dj dude saying such foul shit because its just indicative of where hip hop culture is going. Today, there are very few positive figures in the rap game. Those that are around are shitty & suject to derision (see doo doo on a stick). Rap is a stinking morass of ignorance. And you can't spend so much time around unhealthy, negative shit before a screw comes loose & you wanna fuck an 8 year old in the ass or something equally fucked up.
Sure thing, best send me any "Rap" records you have, so I can save you from their "unhealthy, negative shit"... C'mon mate sure what he said was bad taste and low, but you can't blame "rap music" whatever that is....
Dude. I don't even want to know where you dug that up.
Noz,
Not to pull the "dad" card on you (since I'm assuming you don't have kids) but believe me, when you're offering a radio audience $500 to track down someone's 4 year old daughter, that goes beyond satire or humor. Double standard or not, that doesn't relieve him of his accountability.
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To me the difference is that this cat directly addressed an audience of a million or so people and urged THEM to participate in bringing harm to a child. I honestly think the hate crime component of this whole thing is a canard, spurred on be publicity-hungry asswipes like Peter Vallone and John Liu. That said, the misdemeanor with which he has been charged is pretty apt in my opinion: he is without a doubt endangered the welfare of a child. I mean read the words as written: he put this girl's welfare in jeopardy. He didn't say "I'll hurt your kids", he said "hey New York, help me hurt this kid", thereby making himself responsible in part for whatever any of his stans in the greater metro area might have done to the girl to please him or to gain the $500.
I was under the impression the sentiment was closer to "hey New York, help me find these kids so I may hurt them." Although I assume a listener stupid enough to actually act on either request would also be stupid enough to not recognize the difference.
You're obviously better versed in the legal field than I, so I'll take your word for it that the charges are just. But on the surface it seems to fly in the face of what I understand to be the basic tenants of free speech.
I agree.
That;s an easy blanket statement to make. One dude's mistake doesnt represent the entire culture. Dont let the media brainwash you. Oh yeah he doesnt rap or spin.
Get connected.
That's just fucking sad.
And I can't believe there's folks up here even debating this shit.
Scratch that. Yes I can.
Doesn't noz fall into this age group?
What a cock-end.
No. And where exactly did I say that it was either funny or that anyone (other the police force) needed to lighten up?
Sure thing, best send me any "Rap" records you have, so I can save you from their "unhealthy, negative shit"...
C'mon mate sure what he said was bad taste and low, but you can't blame "rap music" whatever that is....
the guys a fucking asshole who deserves what he gets.
case closed.
he is a sick puppy.
speaking of which:
Looks like a job for the...JIZZ MOP!!!!!!
Dude.
I don't even want to know where you dug that up.
Noz,
Not to pull the "dad" card on you (since I'm assuming you don't have kids) but believe me, when you're offering a radio audience $500 to track down someone's 4 year old daughter, that goes beyond satire or humor. Double standard or not, that doesn't relieve him of his accountability.
I need a pocket sized NZshadow to keep with for when times get tense or sad.
Fuckin' rad man!
Now it's complete.
i just woke up and this has made my day already!
Day,