you were probably actually -ified by the album since all the DOOM beats haev already all been released. kinda a lame move for ghost since so many people had been eagerly awaiting the whole overhyped doom&ghost collab... personally, i think the wu haven't had anything with over 3 good tracks on it since FOREVER came out...
you were probably actually -ified by the album since all the DOOM beats haev already all been released. kinda a lame move for ghost since so many people had been eagerly awaiting the whole overhyped doom&ghost collab...
I think Ghost probably underestimated the degree to which his fanbase and that of MF Doom are the same in 2006, and didn't realize how familiar those tracks would be to a lot of his fans.
I never could get into this album for some reason.
Ironman is very, very good. When's the last time you listened to it?
I don't doubt it's a great album but there are some albums, that, despite whatever finer qualities they have, just don't appeal to me. Like Brand Nubian's "In God We Trust," or Gangstarr's "Daily Operation." I literally go back, every year, to listen to these albums (Ironman too) to see if my feelings have changed towards them but for whatever reason, that chemistry isn't there.
I'd never say that "Ironman" was wack since I know that my not thinking it's the best thing ever has very little to do with the album and has more to do with me. My ranking of my favorite Ghost albums would be:
Supreme Clientele Pretty Toney Fishscale (though this is too early to be in a firm position) Bulletproof Wallets Ironman
This is just like picking Gangstarr albums. I thought Bulletproof was his worse, and even that had bangers like "The Juks", "The Sun", etc. I also think Ironman should be bumped up some notches (The horns of "260" are blaring as I type this), but like Puff Daddy says, "That's neither here nor there".
No doubt it's too early to rank "Fishscale", but I'm feeling major rotation on this one ala last year's "Thug Motivation". Also, ODub peaked my interest on "Bullet Proof" to check it out as a book, instead of the piecemeal listening I did over the years. I'ma cop that along with the $6.99 Fishscale.
I never could get into this album for some reason.
Ironman is very, very good. When's the last time you listened to it?
I don't doubt it's a great album but there are some albums, that, despite whatever finer qualities they have, just don't appeal to me. Like Brand Nubian's "In God We Trust," or Gangstarr's "Daily Operation." I literally go back, every year, to listen to these albums (Ironman too) to see if my feelings have changed towards them but for whatever reason, that chemistry isn't there.
I'd never say that "Ironman" was wack since I know that my not thinking it's the best thing ever has very little to do with the album and has more to do with me. My ranking of my favorite Ghost albums would be:
Supreme Clientele Pretty Toney Fishscale (though this is too early to be in a firm position) Bulletproof Wallets Ironman
Please listen to "Camay" this weekend from Ironman, just the lyrics.
Ahh, perhaps if bulletproof wallets had been released as an accapella album it would have been better. The beats on that thing (save for one wich was funky as shit) were a snooze fest.
Fishscale is not that dope... and I would hardly put it up there with any of his previous releases, a few burners on it, but besides that it's whatever.
and sorry ghost for being ghost does not get a pass.
I bought Ironman the day it came out and damn if it didn't leave my deck for 3 weeks.
you smokey man?
Let me repeat: said list is not a reflection of the inherent QUALITY of the album. For reasons that defy easy explanation, I just never got that into "Ironman" compared to Ghost's later albums. If you were to ask me which are Ghost's BEST albums, than "Ironman" would probably be #2 in my book. I can respect an album without wanting to put that shit on constant rotation.
I bought Ironman the day it came out and damn if it didn't leave my deck for 3 weeks.
you smokey man?
Jesus I love Ironman. Supreme Clientele is great too, but Ironman changed my fucking stoned teenage brain. I still have vivid memories triggered when I listen to it. Good shit. Oh and the Hilton is my favorite song on Bulletproof Wallets. The first song on the Theodore Unit album is really good too. If Shawn Wigs didn't exist that album would be so much better.
Mercury raps is roughed then God just shown like taps Red and white Wally's that match, bend my baseball hat Doin forever shit, like pissin out the window on turnpikes Robbin niggaz for leathers, high swipin on dirt bikes Voice be metal like Von Harper radio bubble Murder sleep away camp, the fly lady champ The arsonist, who burn with his pen regardless Slaying all these earthlings and fake foreigners In the Phillipines, pick herbal beans, bubbling strings Body chemical CREAM, we burn kerosene The conviction of my tape is rape, wicked like Nixon Long-heads inscriptions with three sixes in Kiss the pyramid experiment with high explosive I slapbox with Jesus, lick shots at Joseph Zoomin like binoculars, the rap blacksmith Money's Rolex, with sparkles, Chef ragtop is spotless I'm Iron Man no cheap cash metal I'm steel alloy True identity hidden inside secret tabloids Breathe oxygen both sides of my jaw carry oxes The track hit like the bangers, in hundred watt boxes Yo jostling these cats while Little J be deli-ing Sip Irish Moss out of Widelians
i think it is safe to say that bulletproof wallets would be viewed in a completely different light if it were released with all the stuff that was supposed to be on it. without "the watch" and "the sun", that album definately wasn't anything worth listening to too often.
IMHO pretty toney is ghosface's best record. i love it because it DOESN'T sound like supreme clientele. what makes pretty toney so great is that it DOESN'T follow any rules that people have for ghost or other wu shit. why do people expect an artist to keep doing the exact same shit and recreate previous masterpieces? that shit doesn't work.
fishscale, by the way, is a solid release. i am very impressed with how they salvaged "the champ" with the live instruments.
even though many of his great tracks don't make release, we still get ahold of em. ghostface has one of the finest "unreleased" song catalogs from any artist out there. to me, this only adds to his appeal.
I listen to Cuban Linx more than any Wu-Tang release, including the full group efforts.
If you really want something to get up in arms about, my favorite Nas verse EVAR is the one he drops on "Verbal Intercourse". 'From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable.'
If you really want something to get up in arms about, my favorite Nas verse EVAR is the one he drops on "Verbal Intercourse". 'From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable.'
How about the way he opens it? "Through the lights, cameras, and action glamour glitters and gold I unfold the scroll, plant seeds to stampede the globe"
If you really want something to get up in arms about, my favorite Nas verse EVAR is the one he drops on "Verbal Intercourse". 'From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable.'
How about the way he opens it? "Through the lights, cameras, and action glamour glitters and gold I unfold the scroll, plant seeds to stampede the globe"
Yeah, the whole verse is just . "Props is a true thugs wife."
Well, looks like I know what I'm listening to when I get home...
I listen to Cuban Linx more than any Wu-Tang release, including the full group efforts.
If you really want something to get up in arms about, my favorite Nas verse EVAR is the one he drops on "Verbal Intercourse". 'From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable.'
That's a pretty common opinion--I don't think anybody's going to get up in arms about it.
That's a pretty common opinion--I don't think anybody's going to get up in arms about it.
What I was bugged out about, in reading XXL's "Making of Cuban Linx" story from a few years back, was how Nas was trying out different rhymes for the song and kind of kicked that verse out ofh is rhyme book randomly and Ghost and Rae was like, "oh shit - do that one, do that one!" I've heard a variation of the same verse on an older demo cut by Nas. bugged.
This goes back to a thread from the other month but seriously - the album came out three days ago. Annointing it a "classic" just feels premature. And mind you: I REALLY like this album. But I also really liked "Pretty Toney" and then, a month later, I wasn't listening to it any more and I probably haven't listened to it since then. I never thought PT was a classic of course, but I'm just wary of slapping down that label without the passage of time to allow some reflection on it.
Fishscale is a classic, IMO.
Too early, thun.
What does that mean?
Cant you tell when shit iz good? Plus, It's just a MindGarden opinion.
I could care less what magazines deem as classics.
This goes back to a thread from the other month but seriously - the album came out three days ago. Annointing it a "classic" just feels premature. And mind you: I REALLY like this album. But I also really liked "Pretty Toney" and then, a month later, I wasn't listening to it any more and I probably haven't listened to it since then. I never thought PT was a classic of course, but I'm just wary of slapping down that label without the passage of time to allow some reflection on it.
I agree w/ the rush factor, but sometimes albums drop and u just know.
It didnt take a season or a year to know Supreme Clientele was that shit.
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I think Ghost probably underestimated the degree to which his fanbase and that of MF Doom are the same in 2006, and didn't realize how familiar those tracks would be to a lot of his fans.
This is just like picking Gangstarr albums. I thought Bulletproof was his worse, and even that had bangers like "The Juks", "The Sun", etc. I also think Ironman should be bumped up some notches (The horns of "260" are blaring as I type this), but like Puff Daddy says, "That's neither here nor there".
No doubt it's too early to rank "Fishscale", but I'm feeling major rotation on this one ala last year's "Thug Motivation". Also, ODub peaked my interest on "Bullet Proof" to check it out as a book, instead of the piecemeal listening I did over the years. I'ma cop that along with the $6.99 Fishscale.
Respect to Starks for another Wu-Banger.
Please listen to "Camay" this weekend from Ironman, just the lyrics.
and sorry ghost for being ghost does not get a pass.
yeah like what?!!?
I bought Ironman the day it came out and damn if it didn't leave my deck for 3 weeks.
you smokey man?
Let me repeat: said list is not a reflection of the inherent QUALITY of the album. For reasons that defy easy explanation, I just never got that into "Ironman" compared to Ghost's later albums. If you were to ask me which are Ghost's BEST albums, than "Ironman" would probably be #2 in my book. I can respect an album without wanting to put that shit on constant rotation.
I'm almost starting to feel bad for you
yup, looking back I'd have to say that's probably one of the last rap albums I listened to repeatedly. Wasn't mad at the gatefold cover neither!
Jesus I love Ironman. Supreme Clientele is great too, but Ironman changed my fucking stoned teenage brain. I still have vivid memories triggered when I listen to it. Good shit. Oh and the Hilton is my favorite song on Bulletproof Wallets. The first song on the Theodore Unit album is really good too. If Shawn Wigs didn't exist that album would be so much better.
Ironman
vs.
Liquid Swords
vs.
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Discuss.
only built 4 cuban linx > Ironman > Liquid Swords
Mercury raps is roughed then God just shown like taps
Red and white Wally's that match, bend my baseball hat
Doin forever shit, like pissin out the window on turnpikes
Robbin niggaz for leathers, high swipin on dirt bikes
Voice be metal like Von Harper radio bubble
Murder sleep away camp, the fly lady champ
The arsonist, who burn with his pen regardless
Slaying all these earthlings and fake foreigners
In the Phillipines, pick herbal beans, bubbling strings
Body chemical CREAM, we burn kerosene
The conviction of my tape is rape, wicked like Nixon
Long-heads inscriptions with three sixes in
Kiss the pyramid experiment with high explosive
I slapbox with Jesus, lick shots at Joseph
Zoomin like binoculars, the rap blacksmith
Money's Rolex, with sparkles, Chef ragtop is spotless
I'm Iron Man no cheap cash metal I'm steel alloy
True identity hidden inside secret tabloids
Breathe oxygen both sides of my jaw carry oxes
The track hit like the bangers, in hundred watt boxes
Yo jostling these cats while Little J be deli-ing
Sip Irish Moss out of Widelians
IMHO pretty toney is ghosface's best record. i love it because it DOESN'T sound like supreme clientele. what makes pretty toney so great is that it DOESN'T follow any rules that people have for ghost or other wu shit. why do people expect an artist to keep doing the exact same shit and recreate previous masterpieces? that shit doesn't work.
fishscale, by the way, is a solid release. i am very impressed with how they salvaged "the champ" with the live instruments.
even though many of his great tracks don't make release, we still get ahold of em. ghostface has one of the finest "unreleased" song catalogs from any artist out there. to me, this only adds to his appeal.
EXACTLY.
But just so we disagree on something, Lubavitchers can't drive.
How about:
Supreme Clientele
vs.
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
I listen to Cuban Linx more than any Wu-Tang release, including the full group efforts.
If you really want something to get up in arms about, my favorite Nas verse EVAR is the one he drops on "Verbal Intercourse". 'From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable.'
How about the way he opens it?
"Through the lights, cameras, and action glamour glitters and gold
I unfold the scroll, plant seeds to stampede the globe"
Yeah, the whole verse is just
Well, looks like I know what I'm listening to when I get home...
Too early, thun.
That's a pretty common opinion--I don't think anybody's going to get up in arms about it.
What I was bugged out about, in reading XXL's "Making of Cuban Linx" story from a few years back, was how Nas was trying out different rhymes for the song and kind of kicked that verse out ofh is rhyme book randomly and Ghost and Rae was like, "oh shit - do that one, do that one!" I've heard a variation of the same verse on an older demo cut by Nas. bugged.
What does that mean?
Cant you tell when shit iz good? Plus, It's just a MindGarden opinion.
I could care less what magazines deem as classics.
This goes back to a thread from the other month but seriously - the album came out three days ago. Annointing it a "classic" just feels premature. And mind you: I REALLY like this album. But I also really liked "Pretty Toney" and then, a month later, I wasn't listening to it any more and I probably haven't listened to it since then. I never thought PT was a classic of course, but I'm just wary of slapping down that label without the passage of time to allow some reflection on it.
I agree w/ the rush factor, but sometimes albums drop and u just know.
It didnt take a season or a year to know Supreme Clientele was that shit.