Smoking Gun On Bush & Iraq Invasion?

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  • volumenvolumen 2,532 Posts
    get all the crazy terrorist types to attack you there instead of back home,

    Am I the only one who gets mad when I hear GW say "We are fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here."?





    I don't know....I set fire to my neighbors lawn cuz his crab grass was almost to my fence. Isn't that OK?????




  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    get all the crazy terrorist types to attack you there instead of back home,

    Am I the only one who gets mad when I hear GW say "We are fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here."?





    I don't know....I set fire to my neighbors lawn cuz his crab grass was almost to my fence. Isn't that OK?????




    At least you didn't send your children to your neighbors yard and set them on fire to burn the carb grass.

  • mylatencymylatency 10,475 Posts





  • GrafwritahGrafwritah 4,184 Posts
    It don't matter none...

    No smoking gun necessary.

    Anyone with a low to moderate intelligence level (which does seem to be lacking in America at the moment) knew it was all bullshit before it even started.

    The perceptive could smell the shit blowing in the wind immediately following 9-11.

    100%

    It's like needing media published evidence to tell me the sky is blue 3 years after I already looked out the window.

  • crunkycrunky 3 Posts
    Read the archives here:

    http://www.newamericancentury.org/

    This website is for the think tank behind much of current US policy and there are documents from pre-9/11 which clearly articulate an intention to invade Iraq.

    When we first hear about something it is news to us and I think this thread is important. I think if people are learning something through reading this thread then bravo--it is important to help citizens know the facts.

    Markus

  • crunkycrunky 3 Posts
    from

    http://americaforsale.org/mt/archives/cat_pnac.phprom:

    November 24, 2004
    THE STRAUSSIAN IDEOLOGY OF WASHINGTON'S NEO-CONSERVATIVES

    We live in a world increasingly shaped by Leo Strauss, a controversial philosopher who died in 1973. Although generally unknown to the wider population, Strauss has been one of the two or three most important intellectual influences on the conservative worldview now ascendant in George W. Bush's Washington. Eager to get the lowdown on White House thinking, editors at the New York Times, the Boston Globe and Le Monde have had journalists pore over Strauss's work and trace his disciples' affiliations. The New Yorker's Seymour Hersh has even found a contingent of Straussians doing intelligence work for the Pentagon. Yet while the extent of Strauss's influence is wide, his writings are frequently obscure, and his legacy is hotly disputed by admirers and critics alike. Certainly, Strauss was no ordinary Republican idea-maker: Steeped in ancient philosophy, he had dark forebodings about democracy, religion, technology, and nearly everything else that can claim the allegiance of the contemporary conservative (or liberal, for that matter).

    Strauss is a popular figure among the neoconservatives. Adherents of his ideas include prominent figures both within and outside the administration. They include 'Weekly Standard' editor William Kristol; his father and indeed the godfather of the neoconservative movement, Irving Kristol; Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone, a number of senior fellows at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (home to former Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle and Lynne Cheney), and Gary Schmitt, the director of the influential Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which is chaired by Kristol the Younger. The Bush administration's Straussians also include Pentagon officials Paul Wolfowitz and Abram Shulsky, who studied (and doctored) under Strauss at the University of Chicago, and the bioethics adviser Leon Kass, a colleague at Chicago.

    Strauss' philosophy is hardly incidental to the strategy and mindset adopted by these men ??? as is obvious in Shulsky's 1999 essay titled "Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence (By Which We Do Not Mean Nous)" (in Greek philosophy the term "nous" denotes the highest form of rationality). As Hersh notes in his article, Shulsky and his co-author Schmitt "criticize America's intelligence community for its failure to appreciate the duplicitous nature of the regimes it deals with, its susceptibility to social-science notions of proof, and its inability to cope with deliberate concealment." They argued that Strauss's idea of hidden meaning, "alerts one to the possibility that political life may be closely linked to deception. Indeed, it suggests that deception is the norm in political life, and the hope, to say nothing of the expectation, of establishing a politics that can dispense with it is the exception."

    What would you do if you wanted to topple Saddam Hussein, but your intelligence agencies couldn't find the evidence to justify a war?

    A follower of Leo Strauss may just hire the "right" kind of men to get the job done ??? people with the intellect, acuity, and, if necessary, the political commitment, polemical skills, and, above all, the imagination to find the evidence that career intelligence officers could not detect.

    The "right" man for Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, suggests Seymour Hersh in his New Yorker article entitled 'Selective Intelligence,' was Abram Shulsky, director of the Office of Special Plans (OSP) ??? an agency created specifically to find the evidence of WMDs and/or links with Al Qaeda, piece it together, and clinch the case for the invasion of Iraq.

    First Principle: Deception
    It's hardly surprising Strauss is so popular in an administration obsessed with secrecy, especially when it comes to matters of foreign policy. Not only did Strauss have few qualms about using deception in politics, he saw it as a necessity. While professing deep respect for American democracy, Strauss believed that societies should be hierarchical ??? divided between an elite who should lead, and the masses who should follow. But unlike fellow elitists like Plato, he was less concerned with the moral character of these leaders. According to Shadia Drury, who teaches politics at the University of Calgary, Strauss believed that "those who are fit to rule are those who realize there is no morality and that there is only one natural right ??? the right of the superior to rule over the inferior."

    This dichotomy requires "perpetual deception" between the rulers and the ruled, according to Drury. Robert Locke, another Strauss analyst says,"The people are told what they need to know and no more." While the elite few are capable of absorbing the absence of any moral truth, Strauss thought, the masses could not cope. If exposed to the absence of absolute truth, they would quickly fall into nihilism or anarchy, according to Drury, author of 'Leo Strauss and the American Right' (St. Martin's 1999).

    Second Principle: Power of Religion
    According to Drury, Strauss had a "huge contempt" for secular democracy. Nazism, he believed, was a nihilistic reaction to the irreligious and liberal nature of the Weimar Republic. Among other neoconservatives, Irving Kristol has long argued for a much greater role for religion in the public sphere, even suggesting that the Founding Fathers of the American Republic made a major mistake by insisting on the separation of church and state. And why? Because Strauss viewed religion as absolutely essential in order to impose moral law on the masses who otherwise would be out of control.

    At the same time, he stressed that religion was for the masses alone; the rulers need not be bound by it. Indeed, it would be absurd if they were, since the truths proclaimed by religion were "a pious fraud." As Ronald Bailey, science correspondent for Reason magazine points out, "Neoconservatives are pro-religion even though they themselves may not be believers."

    "Secular society in their view is the worst possible thing,'' Drury says, because it leads to individualism, liberalism, and relativism, precisely those traits that may promote dissent that in turn could dangerously weaken society's ability to cope with external threats. Bailey argues that it is this firm belief in the political utility of religion as an "opiate of the masses" that helps explain why secular Jews like Kristol in 'Commentary' magazine and other neoconservative journals have allied themselves with the Christian Right and even taken on Darwin's theory of evolution.

    Third Principle: Aggressive Nationalism
    Like Thomas Hobbes, Strauss believed that the inherently aggressive nature of human beings could only be restrained by a powerful nationalistic state. "Because mankind is intrinsically wicked, he has to be governed," he once wrote. "Such governance can only be established, however, when men are united ??? and they can only be united against other people."

    Not surprisingly, Strauss' attitude toward foreign policy was distinctly Machiavellian. "Strauss thinks that a political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat," Drury wrote in her book. "Following Machiavelli, he maintained that if no external threat exists then one has to be manufactured (emphases added)."

    "Perpetual war, not perpetual peace, is what Straussians believe in," says Drury. The idea easily translates into, in her words, an "aggressive, belligerent foreign policy," of the kind that has been advocated by neocon groups like PNAC and AEI scholars ??? not to mention Wolfowitz and other administration hawks who have called for a world order dominated by U.S. military power. Strauss' neoconservative students see foreign policy as a means to fulfill a "national destiny" ??? a s Irving Kristol defined it already in 1983 ??? that goes far beyond the narrow confines of a "myopic national security."

    Note - This story is a compilation of excerpts from articles found in the following sources

  • izm707izm707 1,107 Posts
    soon enough, USA will regret what they did...they just forgot to COUNT. Sometimes it's useful. A coalition of nations all around the World are just waiting...So do like 'em. Just wait 'til america and its catholic crusade go too far for Mahomet's followers (this is how we spell the Prohet's name in Europe).

    I'm sad, worried and not in position of making any sarcasm regardless to what's gonna happen.

  • DuderonomyDuderonomy Haut de la Garenne 7,789 Posts
    Just asking - what IS the official U.S. reason for this war as of today? It's been spun at least three different ways to counter news that completely discredits the previous Reason.

    I think they've basically boiled it down to:

    CUZ WE SAID SO, FUCKERS![/b]

    A bewildered nation looks on briefly, and then goes back to the Talladega Fuck A Goat In The Ass 500....

    LOL, probably the most succinct explanation I've read - and definately the funniest.

    RE: Leo Strauss, The Power of Nightmares covered this so well that the BBC showed this three hour, three-part series twice in the space of about 2 months. I was hoping that it might get shown in the U.S.(cue laughter), but looks like it will get a DVD release. Find it, watch it. Sheds a little light on the early uses of Straussian ideology, i.e. the Cold War ("that 'rock', mister President, is actually a Soviet Laszer Gun capable of taking out our satellites"), and how Islamic fundamentalists used similar methods of utilising fear to manipulate the population and gain influence in the Middle East.

    Cool soundtrack too.

  • the3rdstreamthe3rdstream 1,980 Posts
    soon enough, USA will regret what they did...they just forgot to COUNT. Sometimes it's useful. A coalition of nations all around the World are just waiting...So do like 'em. Just wait 'til america and its catholic crusade go too far for Mahomet's followers (this is how we spell the Prohet's name in Europe).

    I'm sad, worried and not in position of making any sarcasm regardless to what's gonna happen.


  • BamboucheBambouche 1,484 Posts

    MODERATION OF THE EXTREMIST[/b]
    we live like lost children
    Voice 2: Little sister, we???re not a pretty sight. The river and the misery continue. We are powerless.

    There is no negation that does not affirm itself elsewhere.

    TODAY I'M SLEEPING.[/b]
    ...it was difficult to die and he had doubts about NOTHING

    Arundhati Roy: January 16 speech to the opening plenary of the World Social Forum in Mumbai, ???The New American Century.??? (here.)


    I suggest we choose by some means two of the major corporations that are profiting from the destruction of Iraq. We could then list every project they are involved in. We could locate their offices in every city and every country across the world. We could go after them. We could shut them down. It's a question of bringing our collective wisdom and experience of past struggles to bear on a single target. It's a question of the desire to win.
    The Project for the New American Century seeks to perpetuate inequity and establish American hegemony at any price, even if it's apocalyptic. The World Social Forum demands justice and survival.
    For these reasons, we must consider ourselves at war.




    ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS[/b]

    Boeing
    Aside from 747s, Boeing makes "smart" bombs, F-15 fighters, and Apache helicopters. Boeing has paid tens of millions in fines for selling flawed parts that led to thousands of unnecessary landings and at least one fatal crash and has been plagued by scandals connected to the company???s influence-peddling.
    CEO: Harry C. Stonecipher
    Military contracts 2004: $17.1 billion
    Major campaign contributions in 2004: $312,595 (defense related)

    Lockheed Martin
    The world's #1 military contractor, responsible for the U-2 and SR-71 spy planes, F-16, F/A-22 fighter jet, and Javelin missiles. They've also made millions through insider trading, falsifying accounts, and bribing officials.
    CEO: Vance D. Coffman
    Military contracts 2004: $20.7 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $1.78 million (defense related)

    Northrop Grumman
    Makers of the B-2 stealth bomber. They're dogged by scandals-from bribing Saudi princes to botching the training of the Iraqi National Army to the tune of $48 million.
    CEO: Ronald Sugar
    Military contracts 2004: $11.9 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $1.68 million (defense related)

    General Dynamics
    General Dynamics makes traditional F-16 jets, Abrams tanks, and Trident subs. With contracts in the billions.
    CEO: Nicholas D. Chabraja
    Military contracts 2004: $9.6 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $1.42 million (defense related)

    Raytheon
    Raytheon means "light from the gods." Makers of "Bunker Buster" bombs, Tomahawk and Patriot missiles.
    CEO: William H. Swanson
    Military contracts 2004: $8.5 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $954,150 (defense related)

    United Technologies
    United Technologies may be a Fortune 500 company, but it???s not a household name ??? and most people don???t realize that the maker of Otis elevators and Carrier air conditioners and heaters is a major military contractor. The Hartford, Connecticut-based company makes military helicopters, engines and missile systems. Its subsidiary Hamilton Sundstrand creates flight systems for both commercial and military aircrafts, while UT subsidiary Pratt & Whitney designs and manufactures engines, gas turbines and space propulsion system for military aircrafts. In 2003, United Technologies also acquired the British electronic security company Chubb Ltd.
    CEO: George David
    Military contracts 2004: $5.1 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $788,011 (defense related)

    Halliburton
    This company truly has a guardian angel: former Halliburton CEO and now Vice President Dick Cheney who looks out for its interests from the White House. The result? $8 billion in contracts ???rebuilding??? Iraq in 2004.
    CEO: David J. Lesar
    Military contracts 2004: $8 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $217,199 (Oil & gas related)

    General Electric
    Run until 2001by ???Neutron??? Jack Welch, who made it a matter of principle to lay off 10% of his workers per year, the world???s biggest company churns out plastics, aircraft engines and nuclear reactors and media spin through NBC, CNBC, Telemundo, and msnbc.com.
    CEO: Jeffrey R. Immelt
    Military contracts 2003: $2.8 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $221,200 (defense related)

    Science Applications International Corporation
    SAIC, awarded control of the Iraqi Media Network, was not able to spin US propaganda in Iraq and ended up being forced to withdraw. But their financial prospects remain solid as supplier of surveillance technology to US spy agencies.
    CEO: K.C. Dahlberg
    Military contracts 2004: $2.5 billion
    Campaign contributions in 2004: $781,410 (defense related)

    CSC/ DynCorp
    The world's premier rent-a-cop business runs the security show in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the US-Mexico border. They also run the coca crop-dusting business in Colombia, and occasional sex trafficking sorties in Bosnia.
    CEO: Paul V. Lombardi
    Military contracts 2004: $2.4 billion


    FACTS & FIGURES:[/b]
    ??? Amount allocated for Iraq's police and military: $3.2 billion (Congressional appropriation)
    ??? Amount spent on Iraq's police and military: $194 million (Congressional appropriation)
    ??? Amount paid to Vinnell for training Iraqi army: $48 million
    ??? Amount paid by Vinnell to Iraqi recruits: $70 per month
    ??? Salary of U.S. soldier: $1,100 to $2,500 per month
    ??? Salary of British commando: $3,500 per month
    ??? Salary of Iraqi soldier: $70 per month
    ??? Salary of British ex-commando working for a private military company: up to $20,000 per month
    ??? Salary of Nepali ex-commando working for a private military company: $1,500 per month
    ??? Salary of South African ex-commando working for a private military company: $1,000 per month
    ??? Cost of top of the line service (four armed foreign guards and two armored vehicles): $10,000 per day
    ??? Number of weapons ordered for Iraqi police by June 2004: 253,000
    ??? Number of weapons delivered to Iraqi police by June 2004: 141,000
    ??? Number of vehicles ordered for Iraqi police by June 2004: 25,000
    ??? Number of vehicles delivered to Iraqi police by June 2004: 8,500
    ??? Number of body armor suits ordered for Iraqi police by June 2004: 174,000
    ??? Number of body armor suits delivered to Iraqi police by June 2004: 40,000
    ??? Number of radios ordered for Iraqi police by June 2004: 57,000
    ??? Number of radios delivered to Iraqi police by June 2004: 2,500
    Fee charged by Aegis Defence Services for overseeing private military contractors in Iraq: $293 million
    ??? Years of experience of Aegis Defence Services in Iraq: 0
    ??? Years of experience of Aegis Defence Services overseeing private military contractors elsewhere: 0
    ??? Number of financial statements published by Aegis Defence Services: 0


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    Computer Sciences Corporation
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    Dyncorp
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    Computer Sciences Corporation
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    Halliburton Energy Services
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    Bechtel
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    Bechtel Corp
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  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts

    FACTS & FIGURES:[/b]
    ??? Amount allocated for Iraq's police and military: $3.2 billion (Congressional appropriation)
    ??? Amount spent on Iraq's police and military: $194 million (Congressional appropriation)
    ??? Amount paid to Vinnell for training Iraqi army: $48 million
    ??? Amount paid by Vinnell to Iraqi recruits: $70 per month
    ??? Salary of U.S. soldier: $1,100 to $2,500 per month
    ??? Salary of British commando: $3,500 per month
    ??? Salary of Iraqi soldier: $70 per month
    ??? Salary of British ex-commando working for a private military company: up to $20,000 per month
    ??? Salary of Nepali ex-commando working for a private military company: $1,500 per month
    ??? Salary of South African ex-commando working for a private military company: $1,000 per month
    ??? Cost of top of the line service (four armed foreign guards and two armored vehicles): $10,000 per day
    ??? Number of weapons ordered for Iraqi police by June 2004: 253,000
    ??? Number of weapons delivered to Iraqi police by June 2004: 141,000
    ??? Number of vehicles ordered for Iraqi police by June 2004: 25,000
    ??? Number of vehicles delivered to Iraqi police by June 2004: 8,500
    ??? Number of body armor suits ordered for Iraqi police by June 2004: 174,000
    ??? Number of body armor suits delivered to Iraqi police by June 2004: 40,000
    ??? Number of radios ordered for Iraqi police by June 2004: 57,000
    ??? Number of radios delivered to Iraqi police by June 2004: 2,500
    Fee charged by Aegis Defence Services for overseeing private military contractors in Iraq: $293 million
    ??? Years of experience of Aegis Defence Services in Iraq: 0
    ??? Years of experience of Aegis Defence Services overseeing private military contractors elsewhere: 0
    ??? Number of financial statements published by Aegis Defence Services: 0

    Source for facts and figures please.

    Dan
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