I do agree that the lyrics are[/b] pretty garbage in a strictly "lyrical" sense, but so what? I think they work in a weird sort've (attempt at) be-bop-meets-beat-poetry-meets-native-tongues-meets-brooklyn.
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
Most of the "jazz" records that they sampled aren't even really what I would call jazz.
I do agree that the lyrics are[/b] pretty garbage in a strictly "lyrical" sense, but so what? I think they work in a weird sort've (attempt at) be-bop-meets-beat-poetry-meets-native-tongues-meets-brooklyn.
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
Most of the "jazz" records that they sampled aren't even really what I would call jazz.
I do agree that the lyrics are[/b] pretty garbage in a strictly "lyrical" sense, but so what? I think they work in a weird sort've (attempt at) be-bop-meets-beat-poetry-meets-native-tongues-meets-brooklyn.
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
Most of the "jazz" records that they sampled aren't even really what I would call jazz.
What do you call jazz?
Music with a more improvisational quality than Mizell brothers productions or "We Live in Brooklyn".
I do agree that the lyrics are[/b] pretty garbage in a strictly "lyrical" sense, but so what? I think they work in a weird sort've (attempt at) be-bop-meets-beat-poetry-meets-native-tongues-meets-brooklyn.
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
Most of the "jazz" records that they sampled aren't even really what I would call jazz.
What do you call jazz?
Music with a more improvisational quality than Mizell brothers productions or "We Live in Brooklyn".
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
The mostly non-sensical rhythmic lyricism that isn't really based on lyricism but is based on flow and rhythm (albeit a not-very advanced sense of rhythm). I'm obviously not talking about the instrumentation.
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
The mostly non-sensical rhythmic lyricism that isn't really based on lyricism but is based on flow and rhythm (albeit a not-very advanced sense of rhythm). I'm obviously not talking about the instrumentation.
Herb.
-e
I like my rap with lyricism and flow.
Bebop as opposed to earlier swing-based jazz was characterized by a move from melody-based improvisation to improvisation based on chord progressions.
I do agree that the lyrics are[/b] pretty garbage in a strictly "lyrical" sense, but so what? I think they work in a weird sort've (attempt at) be-bop-meets-beat-poetry-meets-native-tongues-meets-brooklyn.
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
Most of the "jazz" records that they sampled aren't even really what I would call jazz.
What do you call jazz?
Music with a more improvisational quality than Mizell brothers productions or "We Live in Brooklyn".
So then...would US3 be considered "jazz"? Or Prefuse 73 for that matter?
I do agree that the lyrics are[/b] pretty garbage in a strictly "lyrical" sense, but so what? I think they work in a weird sort've (attempt at) be-bop-meets-beat-poetry-meets-native-tongues-meets-brooklyn.
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
Most of the "jazz" records that they sampled aren't even really what I would call jazz.
What do you call jazz?
Music with a more improvisational quality than Mizell brothers productions or "We Live in Brooklyn".
Pure Be-Bop.
Not quite... there's a tremendous musical spectrum between the level of improvisation present in Mizell brothers productions and pure be-bop.
Not saying that music is bad, but I don't think much of anybody besides SoulStrut dudes who want to pat themselves on the back for being "jazz headz" thinks that it actually is jazz.
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
The mostly non-sensical rhythmic lyricism that isn't really based on lyricism but is based on flow and rhythm (albeit a not-very advanced sense of rhythm). I'm obviously not talking about the instrumentation.
Herb.
-e
You have just muscled your way into the front-running for the first annual Tricia Rose Rupture-n-Flow award.
I do agree that the lyrics are[/b] pretty garbage in a strictly "lyrical" sense, but so what? I think they work in a weird sort've (attempt at) be-bop-meets-beat-poetry-meets-native-tongues-meets-brooklyn.
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
Most of the "jazz" records that they sampled aren't even really what I would call jazz.
What do you call jazz?
Music with a more improvisational quality than Mizell brothers productions or "We Live in Brooklyn".
So then...would US3 be considered "jazz"? Or Prefuse 73 for that matter?
US3: based on the one song I have heard, I would say emphatically no--nothing whatsoever to do with jazz
Prefuse 73: never heard it, although I suspect not.
Where's JP with the Digable quotables? Faux and others, would you say that what Roy Ayers and the like were doing in the 70s was improvisational funk more than funky jazz? Just curious. 1 T.N.
I do agree that the lyrics are[/b] pretty garbage in a strictly "lyrical" sense, but so what? I think they work in a weird sort've (attempt at) be-bop-meets-beat-poetry-meets-native-tongues-meets-brooklyn.
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
Most of the "jazz" records that they sampled aren't even really what I would call jazz.
What do you call jazz?
Music with a more improvisational quality than Mizell brothers productions or "We Live in Brooklyn".
Pure Be-Bop.
Not quite... there's a tremendous musical spectrum between the level of improvisation present in Mizell brothers productions and pure be-bop.
Not saying that music is bad, but I don't think much of anybody besides SoulStrut dudes who want to pat themselves on the back for being "jazz headz" thinks that it actually is jazz.
You need to turn on your sarcast-o-meter, Faux.
Honestly, I just like the way that Blowout Comb sounds, and that includes any wack flow, wack lyrics,etc. Can I just like the vibe without all the over-analysis?
Faux and others, would you say that what Roy Ayers and the like were doing in the 70s was improvisational funk more than funky jazz? Just curious.
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T.N.
I don't really have a need to place it within a particular microgenre, I just object to people referring to it as "jazz," particularly when they are trying to lay claim to some sort of credibility or authenticity through their taste for, or sampling of, it; it is jazzy[/b], but not really jazz.
when they are trying to lay claim to some sort of credibility or authenticity through their taste for, or sampling of, it; it is jazzy[/b], but not really jazz.
This is an excellent point. Let me try to retract the minutia question and ask instead, was Roy Ayers a funk band with jazz instruments? I'm just interested in opinions.
T.N.
PS To keep it Digable related, they are like many grupos I liked back then, I was listening to the beats and ignoring their dumb ass rhymes.
I don't really have a need to place it within a particular microgenre, I just object to people referring to it as "jazz," particularly when they are trying to lay claim to some sort of credibility or authenticity through their taste for, or sampling of, it; it is jazzy[/b], but not really jazz.
You could say this about pretty much any rap song with the word "jazz" in the title.
Honestly, I just like the way that Blowout Comb sounds, and that includes any wack flow, wack lyrics,etc. Can I just like the vibe without all the over-analysis?
Honestly, I just like the way that Blowout Comb sounds, and that includes any wack flow, wack lyrics,etc. Can I just like the vibe without all the over-analysis?
I'm with you.
-e
Guys, at least half the discussions we have on SoulStrut could be characterized as "over-analysis"; let's not get all huffy just because the "over-analysis" in this case tends to expose one of your cherished headwraps-n-incense rap releases for the terd that is is. Did you not try to foist an essay on us that, by your own admission, would take a half hour to read? Is that not the very definition of over-analysis?
You mad, creamy spy?
We like the breeze flow straight out of our lids Them they got moved by these hard-rock Brooklyn kids Us floor rush when the dj's boomin' classics You dig the crew on the fattest hip-hop record He tucks the kinks and sinks into the sounds She frequents the fatter joints called undergrounds Our funk zooms like you hit the Mary Jane They flock to booms, man, boogie had to change Who freaks the clips with mad about percussion Where kinky hair goes to unthought of dimensions Why's it so fly, 'cause hip-hop kept some drama When Butterfly brought the lightning suede boomers What by the cut we push it off the corner How is the buzz into our hip-hop era Was fresh in fact since they started saying outtie Cuts froms may fact from right beneath my hoodie The poobah of the styles like Miles and shit Like 60's funky worms with waves and perms Just sendin' junky rhythms right down your block We be to rap what key be to lock
Honestly, I just like the way that Blowout Comb sounds, and that includes any wack flow, wack lyrics,etc. Can I just like the vibe without all the over-analysis?
I'm with you.
-e
Guys, at least half the discussions we have on SoulStrut could be characterized as "over-analysis"; let's not get all huffy just because the "over-analysis" in this case tends to expose one of your cherished headwraps-n-incense rap releases for the terd that is is. Did you not try to foist an essay on us that, by your own admission, would take a half hour to read? Is that not the very definition of over-analysis?
Well yeah. I wasn't with the "over-analysis" part, just the "I like the way it sounds" part.
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I just threw up a little bit in my mouth
i needs to get rid of one me thinks.. though one is a boot / repress
Instrumentals or regular album?
this is the regular lp with the funny rhyming ontop
What, exactly, about those clowns says "be-bop"? The imagery in their videos?
Most of the "jazz" records that they sampled aren't even really what I would call jazz.
What do you call jazz?
Music with a more improvisational quality than Mizell brothers productions or "We Live in Brooklyn".
Pure Be-Bop.
The mostly non-sensical rhythmic lyricism that isn't really based on lyricism but is based on flow and rhythm (albeit a not-very advanced sense of rhythm). I'm obviously not talking about the instrumentation.
Herb.
-e
Ouch.
I know what you're trying to say, but you're gonna catch it.
I like my rap with lyricism and flow.
Bebop as opposed to earlier swing-based jazz was characterized by a move from melody-based improvisation to improvisation based on chord progressions.
So then...would US3 be considered "jazz"? Or Prefuse 73 for that matter?
Not quite... there's a tremendous musical spectrum between the level of improvisation present in Mizell brothers productions and pure be-bop.
Not saying that music is bad, but I don't think much of anybody besides SoulStrut dudes who want to pat themselves on the back for being "jazz headz" thinks that it actually is jazz.
We need one of those Stone's Throw board type-filters where if you post the word "US3" it comes out "Starbucks."
You have just muscled your way into the front-running for the first annual Tricia Rose Rupture-n-Flow award.
US3: based on the one song I have heard, I would say emphatically no--nothing whatsoever to do with jazz
Prefuse 73: never heard it, although I suspect not.
I'm happy to announce that I totally don't get this reference.
-e
Read up on your readups:
She offers "Rupture and Flow" (not to be cofused with "Hustle and Flow") as the unifying hip-hop aesthetic.
Faux and others, would you say that what Roy Ayers and the like were doing in the 70s was improvisational funk more than funky jazz? Just curious.
1
T.N.
You need to turn on your sarcast-o-meter, Faux.
Honestly, I just like the way that Blowout Comb sounds, and that includes any wack flow, wack lyrics,etc. Can I just like the vibe without all the over-analysis?
Anyway...carry on!
I don't really have a need to place it within a particular microgenre, I just object to people referring to it as "jazz," particularly when they are trying to lay claim to some sort of credibility or authenticity through their taste for, or sampling of, it; it is jazzy[/b], but not really jazz.
This is an excellent point. Let me try to retract the minutia question and ask instead, was Roy Ayers a funk band with jazz instruments? I'm just interested in opinions.
T.N.
PS To keep it Digable related, they are like many grupos I liked back then, I was listening to the beats and ignoring their dumb ass rhymes.
You could say this about pretty much any rap song with the word "jazz" in the title.
-e
I'm with you.
-e
Guys, at least half the discussions we have on SoulStrut could be characterized as "over-analysis"; let's not get all huffy just because the "over-analysis" in this case tends to expose one of your cherished headwraps-n-incense rap releases for the terd that is is. Did you not try to foist an essay on us that, by your own admission, would take a half hour to read? Is that not the very definition of over-analysis?
You mad, creamy spy?
We like the breeze flow straight out of our lids
Them they got moved by these hard-rock Brooklyn kids
Us floor rush when the dj's boomin' classics
You dig the crew on the fattest hip-hop record
He tucks the kinks and sinks into the sounds
She frequents the fatter joints called undergrounds
Our funk zooms like you hit the Mary Jane
They flock to booms, man, boogie had to change
Who freaks the clips with mad about percussion
Where kinky hair goes to unthought of dimensions
Why's it so fly, 'cause hip-hop kept some drama
When Butterfly brought the lightning suede boomers
What by the cut we push it off the corner
How is the buzz into our hip-hop era
Was fresh in fact since they started saying outtie
Cuts froms may fact from right beneath my hoodie
The poobah of the styles like Miles and shit
Like 60's funky worms with waves and perms
Just sendin' junky rhythms right down your block
We be to rap what key be to lock
Well yeah. I wasn't with the "over-analysis" part, just the "I like the way it sounds" part.
I need to step my quotation game up.
-e