Boogaloo+Reggaeton Brothers from Different Mothers

Garcia_Vega

Yeah I said it! This is an idea from multiple conversations and post observations in recent times. Boogaloo, a marriage of styles, guajira, guarachas, r'n'b, and soul. Reggaton, a marriage of styles, dancehall, spanish reggae, and hip-hop. Both extremely hated on by "conosieurs," "critics," "purists," and "specialists." Boogaloo, just as flashy as reggaeton, floss and boss, yaom?! Both have repetitive chords, and "no musical merit." The themes in the songs are basically the same, generally:1. I'm a bad ass dude, don't fuck with me.2. This is the best party ever, we're gonna dance all night long.3. My band/crew is dope, we make the best music ever.4. My girl left me, I want you back baby.5. My girl left me, fuck that bitch.6. Drugs will get you fucked up, thats ok though, sometimes.Hidden track: Puerto Rico must be free!plaese to add any I left out!

Jonny_Paycheck

This is an interesting idea. but since bugalu is in the past, and reggaeton the present, you will find a lot of folks who don't really get down with the whole of latin music but like bugalu because it's old and funky. There's a sense of removal in record collecting....

BigSpliff

Reggaeton is a product of MTV global kulcha. When MTV does Brasil hipsters think it's all sexy n Bailefunk. When MTV does PR, they're all "not my baby"

IMO, Bugaloo is more of a genuine melting pot of styles & cultures - music from below rather than latin kids trying to re-create their own Skribblejam. But that's just me being an old hatter.

Garcia_Vega

Reggaeton is a product of MTV global kulcha. When MTV does Brasil hipsters think it's all sexy n Bailefunk. When MTV does PR, they're all "not my baby"

IMO, Bugaloo is more of a genuine melting pot of styles & cultures - music from below rather than latin kids trying to re-create their own Skribblejam. But that's just me being an old hatter.

Reggaeton was poppin' way before MTV hit PR. Our view of reggaeton is a product of MTV global kulcha though.

Why is boogaloo more geniuine? Fact stands that when you get down to it, they are both about partying, neither is more genuine than the other, just one was created before things were so media saturated. I wonder how many kids in PR have actually heard of Skribblejam. Note: Puerto Rico is bigger than what goes on in San Juan.

bull_ox

I couldn't take anyone seriously who sincerely used the term 'kulcha'

soulmarcosa

I couldn't take anyone seriously who sincerely used the term 'kulcha'

SON DON'T RISK IT

bull_ox

Also- MTV doesn't influence shit, they're always like 5 steps behind...

bull_ox

I couldn't take anyone seriously who sincerely used the term 'kulcha'

SON DON'T RISK IT

LOL

I was unaware of 'kulcha roti', looks lovely though!

soulmarcosa

Also- MTV influences most of mainstream music listeners, they're always like 10 steps behind...

BigSpliff

I couldn't take anyone seriously who sincerely used the term 'kulcha'

How do you know when I'm being sincere??

Be nice or I'll revoke your avatar, lildude.

BigSpliff

Reggaeton/Bailefunk/Nortenoton/Bashment is all influenced by global consumer culture, IMO, MTV is a good shorthand for that. Bugaloo seems to me to have more of distinct time and space, and wasn't just a derivative style - it also had influences on RnB in the pre-funk years. But as I said that's probably me idealizing it a bit, there was probably just as much commercialism in why the performers went in that direction.

Hey, maybe Reggaeton will turn out to be the saviour of RnB flavored pop (aka Hip Hop)

MoogMan

1. I'm a bad ass dude, don't fuck with me.
2. This is the best party ever, we're gonna dance all night long.
3. My band/crew is dope, we make the best music ever.
4. My girl left me, I want you back baby.
5. My girl left me, fuck that bitch.
6. Drugs will get you fucked up, thats ok though, sometimes.

I think this applies to other moder music genres too.






Peace

Jonny_Paycheck

Reggaeton/Bailefunk/Nortenoton/Bashment is all influenced by global consumer culture, IMO, MTV is a good shorthand for that. Bugaloo seems to me to have more of distinct time and space, and wasn't just a derivative style - it also had influences on RnB in the pre-funk years. But as I said that's probably me idealizing it a bit, there was probably just as much commercialism in why the performers went in that direction.
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I actually think that bugalu was a crossover move by latin producers who wanted to capitalize on the dancers, which was more cross cultural than straight ahead salsa. Sure, there are plenty great bugalu records and I am by no means saying that I dislike it, but it was DEFINITELY a product of consumers shaping the market for music.

mannybolone

Reggaeton/Bailefunk/Nortenoton/Bashment is all influenced by global consumer culture, IMO, MTV is a good shorthand for that. Bugaloo seems to me to have more of distinct time and space, and wasn't just a derivative style - it also had influences on RnB in the pre-funk years. But as I said that's probably me idealizing it a bit, there was probably just as much commercialism in why the performers went in that direction.
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I actually think that bugalu was a crossover move by latin producers who wanted to capitalize on the dancers, which was more cross cultural than straight ahead salsa. Sure, there are plenty great bugalu records and I am by no means saying that I dislike it, but it was DEFINITELY a product of consumers shaping the market for music.

Johnny nails it right thurr.

The other difference too is that boogaloo seemed to affirm a relationship between Latin and Black music in a way that reggaeton does NOT. If anything, the direction reggaeton is running in now is to remove the Blackness from it, play up the "Latin" side (as if Black and Latin were somehow mutually exclusive) and try to force a separation rather than celebrate reggaeton as something that comes from a hybrid cultural origin.

Garcia_Vega

The other difference too is that boogaloo seemed to affirm a relationship between Latin and Black music in a way that reggaeton does NOT. If anything, the direction reggaeton is running in now is to remove the Blackness from it, play up the "Latin" side (as if Black and Latin were somehow mutually exclusive) and try to force a separation rather than celebrate reggaeton as something that comes from a hybrid cultural origin.

I disagree, reggaeton and boogaloo are both examples of latin pride, and I don't think either one has tried to distance themselves from black music. You see reggaeton remixes with all sorts of black artists, and Tego Calderon, among many others, are forever talking about African influences in reggaeton music. The thing is is that color lines are difficult to draw in Latin culture, well at least in Puerto Rico, where people acknowledge they come from an indian, african, and spanish heritage. No one is really "white" or "black," in this context. Boogaloo played up the latin side a lot, I mean if not they would have just made soul records, right? Both musics do say "Hey this is a latin thing" but know that they are a part of a bigger musical picture.

soulmarcosa

I'm with GarciaVega on his posts so far. I'm not a huge reggaeton fan, but I like some of it, play a good amount of it at my bhangra gigs, and have seen firsthand how well it goes over with people of many different cultures. I'm not 100% sold on the boogaloo analogy, but I'm probably 85% sold.



What's interesting to me is that some people find reggaeton so annoying (which is understandable) that they're almost bending over backwards trying to find all sorts of cultural and aesthetic reasons to discredit it, rather than just admitting they simply don't like it and don't understand it.



It's even more interesting when these anti-reggaeton folks get angry when other people try to discredit hiphop on the same basis.

TREW

What's interesting to me is that some people find reggaeton so annoying (which is understandable) that they're almost bending over backwards trying to find all sorts of cultural and aesthetic reasons to discredit it, rather than just admitting they simply don't like it and don't understand it.

the biggest beef i hear re: reggaeton, is that they use the same beat over and over. and that reason alone is why they hate. phrases like 'it's so derivative' and 'why can't they use a new beat?' pop up again and again.

then these same fools go out a grab every guajira 45 they can find

???

Garcia_Vega

the biggest beef i hear re: reggaeton, is that they use the same beat over and over. and that reason alone is why they hate. phrases like 'it's so derivative' and 'why can't they use a new beat?' pop up again and again.

then these same fools go out a grab every guajira 45 they can find

???

For a lot of other people you could replace reggaeton with boogaloo, and guajira with cuban son, and that is exactly one of my points.

soulmarcosa

phrases like 'it's so derivative' and 'why can't they use a new beat?' pop up again and again.

then these same fools go out a grab every reggae 45 they can find

then these same fools go out a grab every boom-bap hiphop 12 they can find

then these same fools go out a grab every disco 12 they can find

street_muzik

People act as if Reggeaton is a new thing. Being a latino and a low wage worker most my life i was exposed to much spanish radio. I think it was '93 when i first heard a spanish rapper with a dancehall style over an electro ragga beat. I thought it was hot.



I'm not on the reggaeton bandwagon because some of it sounds too commercial, but as far as latin music, it appeals to me a lot more than Tejano/Norteno music. I hate that country accordian shit. Banda is the jam, though. Uptempo mariachi ska with tuba bass. That shit pwns. I do have a personal connection to that. Most men in my family play banda in Mazatlan.



Some people just hate on latin music period. Not sayin' this is the case here, but many will write it off before trying to understand it.



BTW. What is boogaloo? You mean the old school boogaloo rent parties back in the day when blacks moved north? Oh wait, that's boogy woogy.



Things I don't really get: Go Go/Boogaloo

mannybolone

Naw dude, boogaloo as in Cuban-rhythm-derived dance music with R&B influenced vocals played by Puerto Rican bands in NYC circa 1966 to 1970. Think Joe Cuba, Joe Bataan, Pete Rodriguez, et. al.



What is there to get or not get with go go or boogaloo? You don't get their appeal? Or you don't know what those terms refer to?

Oliver

People act as if Reggeaton is a new thing. Being a latino and a low wage worker most my life i was exposed to much spanish radio. I think it was '93 when i first heard a spanish rapper with a dancehall style over an electro ragga beat. I thought it was hot.

I'm not on the reggaeton bandwagon because some of it sounds too commercial, but as far as latin music, it appeals to me a lot more than Tejano/Norteno music. I hate that country accordian shit. Banda is the jam, though. Uptempo mariachi ska with tuba bass. That shit pwns. I do have a personal connection to that. Most men in my family play banda in Mazatlan.

Some people just hate on latin music period. Not sayin' this is the case here, but many will write it off before trying to understand it.

BTW. What is boogaloo? You mean the old school boogaloo rent parties back in the day when blacks moved north? Oh wait, that's boogy woogy.

Things I don't really get: Go Go/Boogaloo

street_muzik

Naw dude, boogaloo as in Cuban-rhythm-derived dance music with R&B influenced vocals played by Puerto Rican bands in NYC circa 1966 to 1970. Think Joe Cuba, Joe Bataan, Pete Rodriguez, et. al.

Thanks. I'm aware, I just didn't know the genre title.

What is there to get or not get with go go or boogaloo? You don't get their appeal? Or you don't know what those terms refer to?

I meant the terms. I try and understand the appeal in all music. Not that I always find it, but I look.

I never got exposed to go-go. That's why I mentioned it. i do know it's funky hip-hopish dance stuff with lots of percussion from the DC area. Am I right? Sorry, mega OT.

street_muzik

Would that make my "Viva Zapata" (Milton Zapata) album Boogaloo?



Speaking of Cuban records, my favorite is , "Patato & Totico" but I could learn a lot in this area.

bull_ox

I couldn't take anyone seriously who sincerely used the term 'kulcha'

How do you know when I'm being sincere??



Be nice or I'll revoke your avatar, lildude.

Thanks for letting me use it, it was a good one



I don't agree with your comments though



I don't care one way or the other about reggaeton, but all popular music- I'm talking about the last century here- is influenced by consumer culture. MTV doesn't have anything to do with it.

bull_ox

Also- MTV influences most of mainstream music listeners, they're always like 10 steps behind...

I think you're hanging with the wrong crowd M*rk

tiger_blurp

Some people just hate on latin music period. Not sayin' this is the case here, but many will write it off before trying to understand it.

BigSpliff

I couldn't take anyone seriously who sincerely used the term 'kulcha'

How do you know when I'm being sincere??

Be nice or I'll revoke your avatar, lildude.

Thanks for letting me use it, it was a good one

I don't agree with your comments though

I don't care one way or the other about reggaeton, but all popular music- I'm talking about the last century here- is influenced by consumer culture. MTV doesn't have anything to do with it.

But I think you mean popular culture based on the consumption of leisure rather than global consumer culture, which began to be exported from the US in earnest in the late 70s/early 80s, and MTV most definitely was and is a vehicle for that. Most of the junk I waded through at this morning's flea was a cheap plastic knockoff of shit that's been featured on MTV Cribs. And I even heard an older lady vendor singing along to a Daddy Jankee track.

mannybolone

I never got exposed to go-go. That's why I mentioned it. i do know it's funky hip-hopish dance stuff with lots of percussion from the DC area. Am I right? Sorry, mega OT.

that's not a bad description, though go-go didn't borrow from hip-hop so much as followed parallel music paths.