BARRY BONDS
rootlesscosmo
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one month house arrest.
two years on probation.
250 hours of community service.
$4,100 fine.
8 years and about a gazillion of my tax dollars.
I hope the shitbag feds are satisfied.
Bozack recipients: the writers, the haters, the prosecutors, and Jeff Kent.
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two years on probation.
250 hours of community service.
$4,100 fine.
8 years and about a gazillion of my tax dollars.
I hope the shitbag feds are satisfied.
Bozack recipients: the writers, the haters, the prosecutors, and Jeff Kent.
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Comments
I think it's horrible he cheated and I think it worse that he was there with Willie Mays (who i believe is his godfather) when he passed his HR total and hugged him and celebrated and all that while cheating.
He juiced (allegedly -- no drug test ever proved it; but pretty well accepted) and then alleged in grand jury testimony that he didn't know he was juicing, that the trainer was giving him shit and he didn't know it was juice.
Contrast that with shitbag Clemens, who straight swore he NEVER took anything, knowingly or not, a more obvious lie IMO.
Bonds just couldn't stand seeing juiceheads like Sosa and Mac break all these records, when it was obvious he was a better hitter than those scrubs. So he did what he (felt he) had to do.
You can control for walks, outta-the-park homers, etc. and he still connected with the ball with crazy accuracy. I don't think we'll ever see a hitter like him again. And he fielded his ass off lets not forget (8-Time Gold Glove winner for NL Outfielder), which I don't think you can attribute to juice.
First and only member of the 400-400 and 500-500 clubs.
Finished 65 short of 3,000 hits, 4 RBIS short of 2,000.
Records held
Home runs in a single season (73), 2001
Home runs (career) (762)
Home runs against different pitchers (449)
Home runs since turning 40 years old (74)
Home runs in the year he turned 43 years old (28)
Consecutive seasons with 30 or more home runs (13), 1992???2004
Slugging percentage in a single season (.863), 2001
Slugging percentage in a World Series (1.294), 2002
Consecutive seasons with .600 slugging percentage or higher (8), 1998???2005
On-base percentage in a single season (.609), 2004
Walks in a single season (232), 2004
Intentional walks in a single season (120), 2004
Consecutive games with a walk (18)
MVP awards (7???closest competitors trail with 3), 1990, 1992???93, 2001???04
Consecutive MVP awards (4), 2001???04
National League Player of the Month selections (13???2nd place: 8 - Frank Thomas; 2nd place (N.L.) - George Foster, Pete Rose and Dale Murphy)
Oldest player (age 38) to win the National League batting title (.370) for the first time, 2002
Records shared
Consecutive plate appearances with a walk (7)
Consecutive plate appearances reaching base (15)[179]
Tied with his father, Bobby, for most seasons with 30 home runs and 30 stolen bases (5) and are the only father-son members of the 30???30 club
Home runs in a single post-season (8), 2002
Other accomplishments
5-time SF Giants Player of the Year (1998, 2001???04)
7-time Baseball America NL All-Star (1993, 1998, 2000???04)
3-Time Major League Player of the Year (1990, 2001, 2004)
3-Time Baseball America MLB Player of the Year (2001, 2003???04)
8-Time Gold Glove winner for NL Outfielder (1990???94, 1996???98). As of the 2009 season, he is the last left fielder to win a Gold Glove in the National League.
12-Time Silver Slugger winner for NL Outfielder (1990???94, 1996???97, 2000???04)
14-time All-Star (1990, 1992???98, 2000???04, 2007)
3-Time NL Hank Aaron Award winner (2001???02, 2004)
Babe Ruth Home Run Award (2001)
Listed at #6 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Baseball Players, the highest-ranked active player, in 2005.
Named a finalist to the Major League Baseball All-Century Team in 1999, but not elected to the team in the fan balloting.
Rating of 352 on Baseball-Reference.com's Hall of Fame monitor (100 is a good HOF candidate);[180] 9th among all hitters, highest among hitters not in HOF yet.
Only the second player to twice have a single-season slugging percentage over .800, with his record .863 in 2001 and .812 in 2004. Babe Ruth was the other, with .847 in 1920 and .846 in 1921.
Became the first player in history with more times on base (376) than official times at bats (373) in 2004. This was due to the record number of walks, which count as a time on base but not a time at-bat. He had 135 hits, 232 walks, and 9 hit-by-pitches for the 376 number.
With his father Bobby (332, 461), leads all father-son combinations in combined home runs (1,094) and stolen bases (975), respectively through September 26, 2007.
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Please fade into obscurity and take Clemens with you
sadly true.
the truth is the playing field was level: he was a juiced dude who played against other juiced dudes, and he still won.
a lot of the numbers put up by hall of famers are similarly relative.
Babe Ruth played in a league composed of part-time fat white guys who pitched everyday. no Latinos, Asians or African-Americans. you never hear people referring to Pistol Pete as the greatest basketball player ever. why? because he only played against white people; also he sucked. so you can immediately write-off anyone who points to Babe Ruth, they have no idea what they're talking about (see ESPN baseball analysts who professionally hate on SF). Barry is definitely the GOAT in my book, it helps that he gave me respect (a head nod) for being drunk and clowning on San Diego fans on opening weekend in their new park.
Somewhere there is a psychiatric explanation for the level of hate that Bonds engenders, but I'm no doctor.
That's a simple one.....dude is a major league asshole(pun intended)
The psychological explanation is from your side of the equation.
"Yeah, he's an asshole, but he's OUR asshole"
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Michael Jordan is also an asshole.
BTW....^^^^is one of the most inaccurate and ignorant things you have ever posted here.
1) You never hear anyone call PP the GOAT because he wasn't.
2) Some of those in the GOAT conversation like Wilt or Bill Russell played BEFORE Pistol Pete was in High School and Maravich played in a very intergrated NBA..
3) Anyone post-1950's who averaged 44 points a game at the major college level like Maravich did can not "suck".
4) Maravich never cheated.
I admire the 2010 Giants, even though they beat my Rangers, because they seemed like a group of genuinely good guys who played the game the right way.
My basic point was this: The hall of fame is filled with dudes whose numbers are relative. Babe Ruth was the greatest fat white guy to ever play against a league composed entirely of other fat white guys. Similarly, Barry Bonds was the greatest juicehead to ever play against a league composed entirely of other juiceheads.
Barry deserves to be in the HOF, but he'll be denied that honor because for some twisted reason the very people who hated him most are also the people who decide who gets inducted: the Baseball Writers Association of America. If I'm Barry and I spent the entirety of a remarkable career being savaged by those guys, I wouldn't even take their phone call much less their invitation to Cooperstown.
Now there is a guy you don't want to take any pills, supplements, drinks or food he offers you.
What got me is that Pete Rose has lifetime, and after death ban.
And McGwire is some kind of hero working in baseball after admitting steroid use.
Thank you, I have been holding that rant for awhile.
You can go back to talking about Bonds now.
Players like McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, Palmiero, etc. do not deserve to be in the HOF and won't get there.
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I've been to Cooperstown and I'm not sure there is a door wide enough for a bust of Bonds head to fit through.
PhillyPhill wrote a piece when the steroid thing broke how steroid use had saved baseball and made it better.
Not saying I agree, but I do think Rootless has a point about comparing Bonds with other juice heads.
Not only were the top hitters juicing, the old guys who were afraid of losing their spot in the roster, and the young guys looking to move up were juicing too. It was wide spread and the most marginal players were the players with the most to gain. Some sports writer went and checked some stats and found numerous guys who had not been hitters were suddenly hitting.
The steroid scandal was devastating. Any time I see an athlete with overly defined muscles today I assume he is juicing. Test are infrequent (varies by sport), test can be cheated, results can be challenged, new drugs are likely being developed that are not being tested for (that is where the baseball scandal started).
Dude is a first ballot asshole, and thinking "he didn't know," is some seriously naive shit.
If you can tolerate the music you'll see film of an amazing, amazing basketball player.....watch who he is taking to school on this video.....if you can't hang for the whole thing you have to at least watch the 2:58 - 3:28 mark.
haha that was dope.
I guess PP did play against some Black dudes after all.
My first run-in with Bonds back in 87', and Bonilla. Donruss for life.
RAER
fuck it lets look back to these bitches. love em.
Watching Bond's whole career, I can easily say he was the best I have ever seen. Aside from his strength, he had an incredible baseball IQ (helped to have Willie Mays as a mentor). He knew what pitch was coming before the pitcher even knew. His super eyesight and lighting quick and compact swing allowed him to sit back on every pitch. Best and most consistent plate discipline I've eve seen. Speed on the basepaths and in the outfield. He was a complete 5 tool player. He was already a HOFer before he juiced.
Let's not forget he hit all those HR in 2 of the most UN-hitter friendly ballparks (Candlestick and AT&T). I'm sure he would have hit 1000 HRs if he played for the Yankees his whole career.
We may never see talent like Barry Bonds again in our lifetime. Hall of fame won't mean shit without Barry Bonds.
Griffey Jr. would have been the GOAT if he didnt have all the injuries.
I remember the thing Phill wrote about steroids saving baseball. I still maintain that if you create two leagues, one where any and all drugs are legal to use and the other where there is strict testing, the drug league will outdraw the clean league every night.
http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/player/Stan_Musial/autographed-baseballs/?utm_source=RKG&ct=t(PPC)&gclid=COqLxv3fia0CFUXf4AodX2iUnQ
I agree Griffey would had been the GOAT, plus he was a badass in the outfield.
Ron Gant of the Braves in the 90's was teh 1st I thought was juicing, dude had cannons.
cool. thanks.
They only buy mint baseballs, not ones defaced with writing. :roll: