James Bond.....please to skool..
batmon
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I gave up around Octopussy. Many friends have rode for the newer stuff.
Ive been goin back to the Connery era. Do i need to check the 80/90/00 joints?
Dont tell me shit has always been hot.
Heads break it down please.
Ive been goin back to the Connery era. Do i need to check the 80/90/00 joints?
Dont tell me shit has always been hot.
Heads break it down please.
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i recently copped this boxset
http://www.amazon.com/James-Bond-Ultimate-Collectors-Set/dp/B000V3JGI8/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1303076918&sr=1-1
for super cheap (99$)
and revisited everyone plus casino royale and the facre that is quantum solace
you stopped at an opportun time (old man moore vs technology) however here is my opinion on the rest of the joints
both timothy dalton joints (license to kill, living daylights) are not as bad as you would think
the stories/intrigue are good and dalton does not try to be another connery. He does not pull off the bond swag but has credible emotion (especially in the vengeance of license to kill) I always see bond films as time capsules and international showcases and both of those hit those marks
now the russian scenery in daylights is not as ill as other bonds but it's more grimy
then the 90's revamped blockbuster era
so...i personally think pierce brosnan has the look and attitude but is a terrible actor and (except for moneypenny) fails to connect with other characters. However these flicks are more about the gadgets/budget than anything else so it matters less.
Goldeneye has a camp factor of 10 but it's hard to think the technology has aged well (56k dialup hackers)...7/10
tomorrow never dies....Teri hatcher is good but the same techno based storyline lags behind and it lacks the action and impressive shots of golden eye ...6/10
The world is not enough was better in terms of the story and internal feuds (government and diplomatic storylines have always been the bond serie's strong suit and ages better IMO) 7.5/10
Die another day is some bullshit on many levels...but the opening is stellar (bond torture, being older and almost dismissed by the Mi6) the bad guy is ill but ultimately fails as an achetype halle berry is just eye candy and the she is as strong as bond schtick is wack 6.5
Casino Royale is a must view...it's not THE BEST SHIT EVER BRO...but the opening sequence, the vilain and the psychology is ill. Daniel craig is a tough as nails yet vulnerable/human bond and the story (although it drags on a bit) is solid 8/10
the followup tries to use casino's momentum but is terribly paced and fails miserably to make you care. Supposedly a revenge flick as well i was just happy it was over and the final compound scenes are pathetic beyond belief no need to leave a bad taste in your mouth 4/10
you don't need to see them all or even in order at this point so have a martini and enjoy!
the real question is
Never say never (connery comeback, unoficial release)
is it good?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Say_Never_Again
The quality definitely went downhill in the 80s but I still love some of those Bonds. A View to a Kill, Roger Moores' final movie, Christopher Walken as probably most believably evil Bond baddie ever & Grace Jones being totally badass. Octopussy, a kinda of an Indiana Jones style Bond, lots of action, lots of jokes. Even, Never Say Never Again, in which they resurrected Sean Connery in a wig, isn't that bad.
Never Say Never was one of my favorite Bond films, but I never knew it was an unofficial Bond film until I learned that Octopussy was released that same year. I had just thought that they brought back Connery back for one time only or something like that. If you're a fan of Connery, you'll most likely be a fan of the film.
They made a parody of Never Say Never?! When was this and where can I find it?!
i meant the 1966 james bond parody Casino Royale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lazenby
If you haven't seen View To A Kill you need to. It's in now way a good movie but the sight of Moore and McNee strolling about in shell suits is worth it alone, not to mention Moore and Jones in a love scene and Walken as a highly entertaining Aryan villain.
I sadly cannot ride for the Dalton movies, Licence To Kill has it's moments and a decent bad guy but Living Daylights is an absolute snoozefest. After one of the best pre credit sequences up to that point nothing happens for the rest of the movie and Dalton looks embarrassed to be there the whole time, you can see him wondering how a Shakespearean actor ever ended up sliding down a mountain in a cello case.
I know many who don't but I ride for Goldeneye. Up to that point the rule of the series was always to revive Bond with a back to basics film when the gadgets got too extreme (i.e. On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Living Daylights, Casino Royale) but on Goldeneye they went for broke and I think it's an entertaining entry with a decent supporting cast and an original villain. The other Brosnan entries are woeful though.
I'm not a fan of the latest Daniel Craig films. While in many ways Craig is the closest Bond yet to the way Fleming wrote him the movies themselves seem to have lost all confidence in what makes a Bond movie and instead offer up a jumbled mix of Bourne style "realism" and waaay over complicated plots that make Octopussy (which I have a massive soft spot for) look straightforward. Quantum Of Solace is beyond terrible.
As for the non-official entries, I love the video game scene in Never Say Never Again but as a movie in itself I can't help feeling a bit embarrassed for Connery and his hairpiece throughout. The original film version of Casino Royale is categorically not worth tracking down apart from for completest reasons.
So, anyone else on here read the books?
Thankfully Daniel Craig giving it more gravitas, esp. in Quantum of Solace - the emotionless way he dispatches dude in Haiti is an excellent scene. For me the film is good if a little too fast paced. But this is the adhd MTV generation and expectations are carchase, fight, stunt, shag, carchase, fight, stunt, explosion.
It's way better than Casino Royale with the utterly stupid defibrillator-in-glovebox horsedust.
BONUS BEAT: There is a girl called Vesper (named after the OG) who works at one of our sites.
Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan made him look like a cheesy ass douchebag.
The Palm Springs Lautner house is insane.
Nothing will ever take the crown from Goldfinger though. :goat:
I've read 'em - they're OK but definitely not 'good' books.
Ian Fleming was not a very good writer and there are the occasional and unfortunate bits of racism.
They have great plots and Bond is an interesting character, though, and Fleming had enough real-life experience to make them compelling reads if you're in the mood for that sort of thing.
Yeah they're a strange bunch of books. Foolishly decided to read them all in one go and by book 5 I was growing increasingly sick of the trademarks of the damaged woman and the evil foreigner.
The misogyny in there is incredible and some of the casual racism in the early books is pretty astonishing. No liberal handwringing here, was just amazed at how blatant it was. I don't think it helped that it was blatantly the thoughts of Fleming on the page.
Still, while they're no great shakes by literary standards there are touches of greatness in there occasionally and, particularly in the early books, I did enjoy the utter apathy Bond has against everything in the world that isn't gambling, drinking, drugs and Felix Leiter.
Certainly no Lupin though.