What creeps me is people talking from their computers about what they prefer and what is best like it was a boardgame and not about real people..
Condescension of the year award. I thought it was fake blood. Highly conceited too to presume that when you yourself write from your computer in font-line Toronto or wherever, you are somehow better placed to weigh up the value and cost of human life than someone with a different opinion. As much as being pro-intervention doesn't automatically make you a cowboy, being against it doesn't automatically make you more measured, attuned and worldy-wise.
lmho - first two sentences didn't suffice as first posted? Had to come back and put me in my place with a few more jabs?
A "non-reply reply". So I added onto my last point - big deal. The issue is a fuck of a lot bigger than jabbing you, so what's your point? (PS I added the italics 2 mins later)
"BRUSSELS ??? NATO will assume command of all aerial operations in Libya from the U.S.-led force that has been conducting air strikes against Moammar Gadhafi's forces, officials said Sunday.
NATO jets on Sunday already began enforcing the no-fly zone, Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen announced. Diplomats said the full transfer of authority would take several days.
"NATO allies have decided to take on the whole military operation in Libya under the U.N. Security Council resolution," Fogh Rasmussen said in a statement. "NATO will implement all aspects of the U.N. resolution. Nothing more, nothing less."
The North Atlantic Council ??? the alliance's top body ??? took two hours to approve a plan to expand a previously agreed mission to enforce the U.N. arms embargo and no-fly zone. It agreed to protect civilians from attack ??? which effectively means bombing Gadhafi's forces if they are threatening to harm the civilian population."
Motown must be busy protesting the end of collective bargaining for teachers or something, but I know from his fearless criticism of the Iraq war, that he agrees with my condemnation of this unjust, illegal, colonialist war for oil. So I'll give him a hand.
I could plagiarize a lot of the materials in the articles by changing around a few words and making it look like I wrote it - to make it more authentically Motown, but I'm a little jammed-up today so I've just posted the links.
What about the "fierce moral urgency of change"? Or is that all out the window, since you have Sully's "ear." Someone should warn Sully of your tendency to play it a little fast and loose with the citations and all that.
Does Sully have you spying on Trig Palin? Can you ask him what it's like to have that woman (although Bill Maher would use a different word) living in his head rent free 24/7?
I'm dissapointed by the lack of outrage being expressed in our community. It's almost like all that indignation towards the war in Iraq was just made up to try and discredit the administration - I think it was George W. Bush who was president at the time, but I'm not sure. But that would imply that everyone that took part in those criticisms and that are silent now were just trying to score political points and are craven hypocrits. And I know someone as honorable as Motown, could never be like that. He wouldn't let me down like that.
I'm dissapointed by the lack of outrage being expressed in our community. It's almost like all that indignation towards the war in Iraq was just made up to try and discredit the administration - I think it was George W. Bush who was president at the time, but I'm not sure. But that would imply that everyone that took part in those criticisms and that are silent now were just trying to score political points and are craven hypocrits.
You're the one trying to score political points here, chuckles.
Think we'll find any WMDs in Libya? Or have Blackwater there killing civilians randomly? Will we be torturing people to death in some Libya equivalent of Abu Ghraib? Will billions of dollars in cash shipped there on pallets disappear without a trace?
If those things among others happen I'll have some outrage ready for you. Something for you to look forward to, huh?
I'm dissapointed by the lack of outrage being expressed in our community. It's almost like all that indignation towards the war in Iraq was just made up to try and discredit the administration - I think it was George W. Bush who was president at the time, but I'm not sure. But that would imply that everyone that took part in those criticisms and that are silent now were just trying to score political points and are craven hypocrits. And I know someone as honorable as Motown, could never be like that. He wouldn't let me down like that.
At the same time, shouldn't you be championing the administration right now?
I'm not sure who you are talking about tho. There has been a bit of "indignation" in this thread and a couple of others about how this is going down.
And if you would look to more mainstream people in the media. They aren't being all great to the administration by any means. Jon Stewart just to name one who has been quite vocal towards the administration.
I'm dissapointed by the lack of outrage being expressed in our community. It's almost like all that indignation towards the war in Iraq was just made up to try and discredit the administration - I think it was George W. Bush who was president at the time, but I'm not sure. But that would imply that everyone that took part in those criticisms and that are silent now were just trying to score political points and are craven hypocrits.
You're the one trying to score political points here, chuckles.
Think we'll find any WMDs in Libya? Or have Blackwater there killing civilians randomly? Will we be torturing people to death in some Libya equivalent of Abu Ghraib? Will billions of dollars in cash shipped there on pallets disappear without a trace?
If those things among others happen I'll have some outrage ready for you. Something for you to look forward to, huh?
I thought this asshole got banned?
Civilians are being murdered randomly in Afghanistan. Speak Out! LMJ!
I'm dissapointed by the lack of outrage being expressed in our community. It's almost like all that indignation towards the war in Iraq was just made up to try and discredit the administration - I think it was George W. Bush who was president at the time, but I'm not sure. But that would imply that everyone that took part in those criticisms and that are silent now were just trying to score political points and are craven hypocrits. And I know someone as honorable as Motown, could never be like that. He wouldn't let me down like that.
So I still don't know where you stand in regards to Libya.
As for outrage, the only left wing nut in this thread who is supporting the no fly zone is BobD.
Most others are showing outrage. I guess you missed the whole Obama let me down thread, but he is not getting a pass.
Let's compare apples and apples.
Was there outrage when George W had a no fly zone over Iraq? Not much, Clinton had it too.
Was there outrage when George W went to war in Afghanistan? Not much. In fact support for the war was around 90+%.
Was there outrage when George W went to war in Iraq? Some. Mostly because people knew they were being lied to. And they were right. Also because we were already in a war that wasn't being paid for.
Surprising how people didn't turn on George W until he started lying.
I think it is safe to say your opinion on Libya is you are against anything Obama does.
Kinda like Newt Gingrich.
Let's compare apples and apples.
Was there outrage when George W had a no fly zone over Iraq? Not much, Clinton had it too.
Was there outrage when George W went to war in Afghanistan? Not much. In fact support for the war was around 90+%.
Was there outrage when George W went to war in Iraq? Some. Mostly because people knew they were being lied to. And they were right. Also because we were already in a war that wasn't being paid for.
Surprising how people didn't turn on George W until he started lying.
I think it is safe to say your opinion on Libya is you are against anything Obama does.
Kinda like Newt Gingrich.
Yes.
I would also suppose that if he's against the Libyan action it's only because Gaddafi was about to murder a whole lot of Muslims, and like Pam Geller Sapababadoo always appreciates that sort of thing.
I'm dissapointed by the lack of outrage being expressed in our community. It's almost like all that indignation towards the war in Iraq was just made up to try and discredit the administration - I think it was George W. Bush who was president at the time, but I'm not sure. But that would imply that everyone that took part in those criticisms and that are silent now were just trying to score political points and are craven hypocrits. And I know someone as honorable as Motown, could never be like that. He wouldn't let me down like that.
It's almost like you're asserting that the situtation in Iraq, including presidential handling of that situation ( the reason the country was given for war. the fabrication of evidence, false claims of al-Qaeda being in league with Saddam, etc.) is the same thing that is happening in Libya. Is that what you think?
You're making a false equivalency.
Look, if you are cool with the Libyans being slaughtered by Ghaddafi with impunity without the international community (don't forget the US is a big part of that community) doing anything about it, man up and say that. But this stuff you're posting is transparently false, and you probably know this.
Look, if you are cool with the Libyans being slaughtered by Ghaddafi with impunity without the international community (don't forget the US is a big part of that community) doing anything about it, man up and say that.
Tom Grey answers David Crow's request the empirical basis for his statement on the number of dead under Saddam Hussein. "See http://www.gbn.org/ArticleDisplayServlet.srv?aid=2400&msp=1242 Here is an excerpt:":Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran.
Look, if you are cool with the Libyans being slaughtered by Ghaddafi with impunity without the international community (don't forget the US is a big part of that community) doing anything about it, .
My question is why is that nut Kucinich and other loony lefties cool with this?
Look, if you are cool with the Libyans being slaughtered by Ghaddafi with impunity without the international community (don't forget the US is a big part of that community) doing anything about it, man up and say that.
Tom Grey answers David Crow's request the empirical basis for his statement on the number of dead under Saddam Hussein. "See http://www.gbn.org/ArticleDisplayServlet.srv?aid=2400&msp=1242 Here is an excerpt:":Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran.
this is pretty much the new Democratdefinition of trolling patritotism
i don't remember Motown or Laserwolf cynically praying for America to fail, that's pretty much where you're heading - hoping for the deaths of US servicemen & the failure of the whole misbegotten operation simply to make Obama look bad.
what a great look!
what a patriot you are! if only all Americans loved this country the way you do
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A "non-reply reply". So I added onto my last point - big deal. The issue is a fuck of a lot bigger than jabbing you, so what's your point? (PS I added the italics 2 mins later)
"BRUSSELS ??? NATO will assume command of all aerial operations in Libya from the U.S.-led force that has been conducting air strikes against Moammar Gadhafi's forces, officials said Sunday.
NATO jets on Sunday already began enforcing the no-fly zone, Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen announced. Diplomats said the full transfer of authority would take several days.
"NATO allies have decided to take on the whole military operation in Libya under the U.N. Security Council resolution," Fogh Rasmussen said in a statement. "NATO will implement all aspects of the U.N. resolution. Nothing more, nothing less."
The North Atlantic Council ??? the alliance's top body ??? took two hours to approve a plan to expand a previously agreed mission to enforce the U.N. arms embargo and no-fly zone. It agreed to protect civilians from attack ??? which effectively means bombing Gadhafi's forces if they are threatening to harm the civilian population."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/27/nato-libya-air-strikes_n_841157.html
Another terrible comparison.
Something else worth reading:
http://www.juancole.com/2011/03/an-open-letter-to-the-left-on-libya.html
Ruh-Roh! Gadhafi Forces Push Rebels Back
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703712504576232021454699618.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
Obama's dilemma: Is Libya mission a success if Qaddafi stays? What is it this week?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2011/0328/Obama-s-dilemma-Is-Libya-mission-a-success-if-Qaddafi-stays
'Obama Doctrine': Does U.S. Intervention in Libya Chart New Course? Who's Next Darfur? Syria?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/libya-intervention-reflects-obama-doctrine-foreign-policy/story?id=13246446
I could plagiarize a lot of the materials in the articles by changing around a few words and making it look like I wrote it - to make it more authentically Motown, but I'm a little jammed-up today so I've just posted the links.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/03/iraq-simmers.html
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/03/iraq-cracks-down-on-free-speech.html
http://www.sotaliraq.com/english-iraq-news.php?id=49
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/03/iraqs-darkside.html
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/03/the-fruits-of-malikis-hollow-promises.html
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/03/the-fruits-of-malikis-hollow-promises.html
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/iraq-rages.html
http://www.mastersdegree.net/blog/2011/40-best-blogs-for-following-the-middle-east/
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/a-fatally-flawed-government.html
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/iraq-the-next-domino.html
http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/09/contractor_deaths_surpass_us_military_losses_in_both_iraq_and_afghanistan#commentspace
http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/01/24/did_the_surge_work
http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/01/17/lesson_for_us_iraq_plans_to_turn_prison_into_a_new_business_complex
http://www.opendemocracy.net/yahia-said/iraq-surge-2007-2008-???-what-does-human-security-have-to-say-about-it
You're just bored and trying to talk shit on Soulstrut.
You mean Sully listens.
Yeah. Me neither.
All we have gotten so far is your attack on people for what you think their opinions might be.
You're the one trying to score political points here, chuckles.
Think we'll find any WMDs in Libya? Or have Blackwater there killing civilians randomly? Will we be torturing people to death in some Libya equivalent of Abu Ghraib? Will billions of dollars in cash shipped there on pallets disappear without a trace?
If those things among others happen I'll have some outrage ready for you. Something for you to look forward to, huh?
At the same time, shouldn't you be championing the administration right now?
I'm not sure who you are talking about tho. There has been a bit of "indignation" in this thread and a couple of others about how this is going down.
And if you would look to more mainstream people in the media. They aren't being all great to the administration by any means. Jon Stewart just to name one who has been quite vocal towards the administration.
I thought this asshole got banned?
Civilians are being murdered randomly in Afghanistan. Speak Out! LMJ!
So I still don't know where you stand in regards to Libya.
As for outrage, the only left wing nut in this thread who is supporting the no fly zone is BobD.
Most others are showing outrage. I guess you missed the whole Obama let me down thread, but he is not getting a pass.
Let's compare apples and apples.
Was there outrage when George W had a no fly zone over Iraq? Not much, Clinton had it too.
Was there outrage when George W went to war in Afghanistan? Not much. In fact support for the war was around 90+%.
Was there outrage when George W went to war in Iraq? Some. Mostly because people knew they were being lied to. And they were right. Also because we were already in a war that wasn't being paid for.
Surprising how people didn't turn on George W until he started lying.
I think it is safe to say your opinion on Libya is you are against anything Obama does.
Kinda like Newt Gingrich.
Yes.
I would also suppose that if he's against the Libyan action it's only because Gaddafi was about to murder a whole lot of Muslims, and like Pam Geller Sapababadoo always appreciates that sort of thing.
News being made or reported???
;)
It's almost like you're asserting that the situtation in Iraq, including presidential handling of that situation ( the reason the country was given for war. the fabrication of evidence, false claims of al-Qaeda being in league with Saddam, etc.) is the same thing that is happening in Libya. Is that what you think?
You're making a false equivalency.
Look, if you are cool with the Libyans being slaughtered by Ghaddafi with impunity without the international community (don't forget the US is a big part of that community) doing anything about it, man up and say that. But this stuff you're posting is transparently false, and you probably know this.
Tom Grey answers David Crow's request the empirical basis for his statement on the number of dead under Saddam Hussein. "See http://www.gbn.org/ArticleDisplayServlet.srv?aid=2400&msp=1242 Here is an excerpt:":Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran.
I'm sorry? If I'm cool with what?
My question is why is that nut Kucinich and other loony lefties cool with this?
Yeah, you were and are cool with all of it.
this is pretty much the definition of trolling
fixed
troll away
i don't remember Motown or Laserwolf cynically praying for America to fail, that's pretty much where you're heading - hoping for the deaths of US servicemen & the failure of the whole misbegotten operation simply to make Obama look bad.
what a great look!
what a patriot you are! if only all Americans loved this country the way you do