Don't worry. All's well in Iraq

DrWuDrWu 4,021 Posts
edited August 2005 in Strut Central




"I want everyone to continue to emphasize the pos-i-tive in I-raq. Remember, freedom isn't easy. "



BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 10 - Armed men entered Baghdad's municipal building during a blinding dust storm on Monday, deposed the city's mayor and installed a member of Iraq's most powerful Shiite militia.

Forum: The Transition in Iraq
In continuing violence, the United States military announced today that four American soldiers were killed on Tuesday and six others were wounded when insurgents attacked a patrol near Baiji in northern Iraq. Two Iraqi policemen and four civilians were killed in a suicide car bombing today in western Baghdad, the Interior Ministry said.

The deposed mayor, Alaa al-Tamimi, who was not in his offices at the time, recounted the events in a telephone interview on Tuesday and called the move a municipal coup d'??tat. He added that he had gone into hiding for fear of his life.

"This is the new Iraq," said Mr. Tamimi, a secular engineer with no party affiliation. "They use force to achieve their goal."

The group that ousted him insisted that it had the authority to assume control of Iraq's capital city and that Mr. Tamimi was in no danger. The man the group installed, Hussein al-Tahaan, is a member of the Badr Organization, the armed militia of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq, known as Sciri.

The militia has been credited with keeping the peace in heavily Shiite areas in southern Iraq but also accused of abuses like forcing women to wear the veils demanded by conservative Shiite religious law.

"If we wanted to do something bad to him, we would have done that," said Mazen A. Makkia, the elected city council chief who led the ouster on Monday and who had been in a lengthy and unresolved legal feud with Mr. Tamimi.

"We really want to establish the state of law for every citizen, and we did not threaten anyone," Mr. Makkia said. "This is not a coup."

Mr. Makkia confirmed that he had entered the building with armed men but said that they were bodyguards for him and several other council members who accompanied him. Witnesses estimated that the number of armed men ranged from 50 to 120. Mr. Makkia is a member of a Shiite political party that swept to victory during the across-the-board Shiite successes during January's elections.

Mr. Tamimi, the deposed mayor, was appointed by the central government and held ministerial rank. He was originally put in place by L. Paul Bremer III, the top American administrator in the country until an Iraqi government took over in June 2004.

Baghdad is the only city in Iraq that is its own province, and the city council had previously appointed Mr. Tahaan as governor of Baghdad province, with some responsibilities parallel to Mr. Tamimi's. But the mayor's office was clearly the more powerful office, a fact that proved to be a painful thorn in the side of Mr. Makkia, who believed that the council, which he controls, should hold sway in Baghdad.

Mr. Makkia provided a phone number for Mr. Tahaan, but the phone did not appear to be turned on. A spokesman for the American Embassy in Baghdad said that he was aware of the developments but that he had no immediate comment.

When asked whether the Iraqi prime minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a politician with another Shiite Islamic party, Dawa, was concerned about developments at the municipality, a spokesman, Laith Kubba, said, "My guess is, yes, he is."

Mr. Kubba said he had not yet had a chance to talk with the prime minister about the issue. But gave clear indications that the prime minister would not stand in the way of the move.

Weeks ago, Mr. Tamimi had offered to resign or retire, saying that the budget he had been given was not adequate. For a city of six million people, the central government had given him a budget of $85 million; he had requested $1 billion.

As of Tuesday, the prime minister still had not formally accepted the offer, Mr. Kubba said. But he said the offer could be used to find a way to formally remove Mr. Tamimi.

"It's more or less a fait accompli that he's not going back to office," Mr. Kubba said. He added that Mr. Tahaan would be considered an interim mayor until the prime minister settled on someone to take the post permanently.

Leaders of the country's major political parties, meanwhile, resumed a summit meeting to break the deadlock over Iraq's new constitution, which was delayed by the same sandstorm on Monday.

The deadline for the constitution is in five days and the parties have so far failed to resolve several crucial issues like the role of Islam in the government, the future of the ethnically mixed and oil-rich city of Kirkuk and the scope of self-rule for regions outside Iraqi Kurdistan.


Forum: The Transition in Iraq
After the meeting, the Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, said discussion focused mainly on the issue of autonomy and the distribution of oil revenues. He expressed confidence that the group would complete the constitution on time, but added, "As the English people would say, the devil is in the details."

The four American soldiers killed in northern Iraq on Tuesday were under the command of the 42nd Infantry Division of New York, the military said today. Six others were wounded in the attack.

The three Iraqi policemen were members of a group on patrol in the western Baghdad suburb of Ghazaliya, an Interior Ministry official said. A fourth officer was wounded.

Insurgents also fired a mortar round into Antar Square in the Adamiya neighborhood, killing a traffic policeman and wounding seven other people, the ministry official said.

In other violence on Tuesday, an American soldier was killed and two were wounded when a car bomb exploded as a patrol passed through a crowded square in central Baghdad, the military said. An official at the Interior Ministry said at least three civilians were killed and 54 wounded in the same blast. Mortars landed near a mosque in southern Baghdad, killing two civilians and wounding four, the official said.

At least nine security officials were killed in four separate shooting incidents around Baghdad on Tuesday. An American marine was killed by small-arms fire on Monday in Ramadi, west of Baghdad, the military said, and a soldier assigned to the marines was killed by small-arms fire near Habbaniya, also west of the capital.

In Washington, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld said Tuesday that Iran had become a conduit for weapons smuggled into Iraq and used by insurgents, and he criticized Tehran for not doing more to prevent the smuggling.

"Weapons clearly, unambiguously from Iran have been found in Iraq," he said at a Pentagon briefing. He added: "It's a big border. It's notably unhelpful for the Iranians to allow weapons of those types to cross the border."

Defense officials have said recently that components and fully manufactured bombs from Iran began appearing about two months ago and that a large shipment was captured last month in northeast Iraq after coming across the border.

Mr. Rumsfeld's comments were the first confirmation by a senior American official that such smuggling was occurring. Mr. Rumsfeld said it was not clear who in Iran was responsible for the shipments, which some specialists hav
e said could be the work of smugglers or splinter insurgent groups, rather than the government of Iran.

Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also said at the briefing that Iraqi and American forces have made arrests in Haditha, where 20 marines were killed in two ambushes last week, after tips from Iraqis in the area. "The public came forward and said these are the folks," General Myers said.

Mr. Tamimi, the ousted mayor, said he believed that Shiite political parties had forced the takeover in Baghdad in order to position themselves for the elections once a constitution is agreed upon.

For his part, he said, he had lost the sense of enthusiasm that had brought him back to Iraq after nearly a decade in exile.

"When I left in 1995, every day, it is years for me," Mr. Tamimi said. "But now when I leave I don't think I will be sorry. I leave because I cannot live in such conditions."



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  • Just when you thought they couldn't stoop any lower....









    ..down they go....[/b]


    Pentagon to host
    9/11 march, show



    BY MICHAEL McAULIFF
    DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

    WASHINGTON - The Pentagon will hold a massive march and country music concert to mark the fourth anniversary of 9/11, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in an unusual announcement tucked into an Iraq war briefing yesterday.
    "This year the Department of Defense will initiate an America Supports You Freedom Walk," Rumsfeld said, adding that the march would remind people of "the sacrifices of this generation and of each previous generation."

    The march will start at the Pentagon, where nearly 200 people died on 9/11, and end at the National Mall with a show by country star Clint Black.

    Word of the event startled some observers. "I've never heard of such a thing," said John Pike, who has been a defense analyst in Washington for 25 years and runs GlobalSecurity.org.

    The news also reignited debate and anger over linking Sept. 11 with the war in Iraq.

    "That piece of it is disturbing since we all know now there was no connection," said Paul Rieckhoff, an Iraq veteran who heads Operation Truth, an anti-administration military booster.

    Rieckhoff suggested the event was an ill-conceived publicity stunt. "I think it's clear that their public opinion polls are in the toilet," he said.

    Rumsfeld's walk had some relatives of 9/11 victims fuming.

    "How about telling Mr. Rumsfeld to leave the memories of Sept. 11 victims to the families?" said Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband in the attacks.

    Administration supporters insisted Rumsfeld was right to link Iraq and 9/11, and hold the rally.

    "We are at war," said Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.). "It's essential that we support our troops."

    He also said attacking Iraq was necessary after 9/11. "You do not defeat Al Qaeda until you stabilize the Middle East, and that's not possible as long as Saddam Hussein is in power."

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  • Mike_BellMike_Bell 5,736 Posts
    As some of y'all may know, I was over there from Nov. 2003 to Oct. 2004 and it honestly seems like more people are dying over there now than when I was there. I can distinctly remember a town going 'up in flames' weeks before I left. I also remember that same town not being as violent as some of the others I've been thru. What I'm trying to say is the situation actually got worse[/b] as time passed on. But the president will try to convince you into believing that it's getting better. Y'all probably already realized that though. Just wanted to add my two cents...

  • CousinLarryCousinLarry 4,618 Posts
    Yeah that makes sense to me 9/11 is a great day to celebrate war with a big old country western concert.

  • DrWuDrWu 4,021 Posts




    "We are at war," said Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.). "It's essential that we support our troops."










    This is 1984 type disinformation.

  • DrWuDrWu 4,021 Posts
    As some of y'all may know, I was over there from Nov. 2003 to Oct. 2004 and it honestly seems like more people are dying over there now than when I was there. I can distinctly remember a town going 'up in flames' weeks before I left. I also remember that same town not being as violent as some of the others I've been thru. What I'm trying to say is the situation actually got worse[/b] as time passed on. But the president will try to convince you into believing that it's getting better. Y'all probably already realized that though. Just wanted to add my two cents...

    Bell, I really appreciate you speaking out on this matter. It seems obvious that shit ain't right over there. But to hear from someone who was there is really helpful.

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts


    Bell, I really appreciate you speaking out on this matter. It seems obvious that shit ain't right over there. But to hear from someone who was there is really helpful.

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    Cool I love parades and I'm a regular subscriber to Jane's Big Guns!



  • Mike_BellMike_Bell 5,736 Posts
    Oh no question, DrWu. Not to digress too much but I'm still amazed that the people re-elected that jackass (Bush). . Cosign on the 'doublespeak'. The public just eats it up....

  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
    the pentagon-sponsored 9/11 march and concert is so sickening I can't wrap my head around it. All morning I've been wtf'ing.

    Aside, I had a really hot neurologist named Dr. Wu (first name Anita. honest). she couldn't do shit for my migraines, but I didn't mind going to the doctor.

  • Cool I love parades and I'm a regular subscriber to Jane's Big Guns!



    You hit that nail on the head....

    Here's the web site (if you're not disgusted enough already...)

    http://www.asyfreedomwalk.com/

  • DrWuDrWu 4,021 Posts
    the pentagon-sponsored 9/11 march and concert is so sickening I can't wrap my head around it. All morning I've been wtf'ing.



    Aside, I had a really hot neurologist named Dr. Wu (first name Anita. honest). she couldn't do shit for my migraines, but I didn't mind going to the doctor.







    How's the headaches big bwoy? (Actual photo of DR Anita Wu).

  • dj_pidj_pi 335 Posts
    My boy told me last night that he's gonna be shipped out. I've realized the situation has been getting worse and mentioned it to him. He knew it too. I just hope he'll be ok. I will be asking for mixes from any people that want to contribute once I know when he's leaving.

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    yeeeech, more patriotic web design! As a techie, that offends me.

    So Clint Black "Country Superstar" is basically totally manufactured? What a tool.

    Drip, drip.... everything is gradually falling into place.

    I subscribe to a list run by www.BlackBoxVoting.org Check that shit if you really really want ulcers.

  • Mike_BellMike_Bell 5,736 Posts
    My boy told me last night that he's gonna be shipped out. I've realized the situation has been getting worse and mentioned it to him. He knew it too. I just hope he'll be ok. I will be asking for mixes from any people that want to contribute once I know when he's leaving.
    Lemme know what's up and I'll send him some heaters. I hope he's safe over there too.

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    My boy told me last night that he's gonna be shipped out. I've realized the situation has been getting worse and mentioned it to him. He knew it too. I just hope he'll be ok. I will be asking for mixes from any people that want to contribute once I know when he's leaving.

    Is he Nat Guard? You know, you just don't know... it could be quiet where he is. Quite likely they are preparing to replace a number of British troops who will soon be withdrawn from the southern ports. That's not the hottest spot by a long way.

    On the downside, Fallujah is hot again.

  • bellcity1...hola. were you over there for military, journalistic, rebuilding, or humanitarian purposes? or what? just curious, and impressed. don't mean to pry, and feel free to ignore me.
    m

  • Mike_BellMike_Bell 5,736 Posts
    bellcity1...hola. were you over there for military, journalistic, rebuilding, or humanitarian purposes? or what? just curious, and impressed. don't mean to pry, and feel free to ignore me.
    m
    What it dew, finewine? I'm actually on active duty (us army). s'all good, man; you're not prying into my life with a question like that .

  • okay, cool! pleased to make your acquaintance, bellcity1.
    m

  • Mike_BellMike_Bell 5,736 Posts
    okay, cool! pleased to make your acquaintance, bellcity1.
    m
    likewise, finewine!!


  • Aside, I had a really hot neurologist named Dr. Wu (first name Anita. honest). she couldn't do shit for my migraines, but I didn't mind going to the doctor.

    do you drink coffee? When I started drinking coffee my migraines went away. Weirdest shit I haven't had one in about 3 years. [knock on wood] I'll probably get one later today or something.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    What do ya'll think of this story?

    August 9, 2005

    One Mother in Crawford (NYtimes editorial)

    Summertime often produces unexpected media figures, and this is Cindy Sheehan's season. Ms. Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq last year, is camping out near President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Tex., and says she won't leave until Mr. Bush agrees to meet with her to discuss the war. There are many reasons for the flood of media attention she is attracting: she has a poignant personal story and she is articulate - and, let's face it, August is a slow news month. But most of all, she is tapping into a growing popular feeling that the Bush administration is out of touch with the realities, and the costs, of the Iraq war.

    Ms. Sheehan's 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed in Baghdad. She says she and her family met privately with Mr. Bush two months later, and she is sharply critical of how the president acted. He did not know her son's name, she says, acted as if the meeting was a party and called her "Mom" throughout, which she considered disrespectful.

    Ms. Sheehan has traveled from her California home to Crawford, where Mr. Bush will be spending much of the month, in the hope of having a more substantive discussion. On Saturday, Mr. Bush's national security adviser and the White House deputy chief of staff met with her beside a road a few miles from the ranch, but she is still insisting on a meeting with the president.

    Even many Americans who do not share her views about the president - she arrived in a bus bearing the slogan "Impeachment Tour" - share her concerns about his war leadership. President Bush has refused to ask the nation to sacrifice in any way, so the sacrifice gap has never been greater. A few families, like Ms. Sheehan's, have paid the ultimate price. Many more, including National Guard families, are bearing enormous burdens, struggling to get by while a parent, a child or a spouse serves in Iraq. But the rest of the nation is spending its tax cuts and guzzling gas as if there were no war.

    Mr. Bush obviously failed to comfort Ms. Sheehan when he met with her and her family. More important, he has not helped the nation give fallen soldiers like Casey Sheehan the honor they deserve. The administration seems reluctant to have the president take part in events that would direct widespread attention to soldiers' funerals or to the thousands who have returned with serious injuries.

    Perhaps most troubling, Mr. Bush is not leveling about where things stand with the war. He continues to stay on message, as he did with the platitude he offered last week: "We will stay the course; we will complete the job in Iraq." The public knows that things in Iraq are not going well on any number of levels, and deserves a fuller, more honest discussion led by the commander in chief.

    Just 38 percent of the respondents in a recent Associated Press-Ipsos poll, a new low, approved of Mr. Bush's handling of Iraq. That does not mean the remaining 62 percent agree with Ms. Sheehan that the troops should come home immediately. But it does mean that many Americans are with her, at least figuratively, at that dusty roadside in Crawford, expecting better answers.

    August 8, 2005
    Of the Many Deaths in Iraq, One Mother's Loss Becomes a Problem for the President
    By RICHARD W. STEVENSON
    CRAWFORD, Tex., Aug. 7 - President Bush draws antiwar protesters just about wherever he goes, but few generate the kind of attention that Cindy Sheehan has since she drove down the winding road toward his ranch here this weekend and sought to tell him face to face that he must pull all Americans troops out of Iraq now.

    Ms. Sheehan's son, Casey, was killed last year in Iraq, after which she became an antiwar activist. She says she and her family met with the president two months later at Fort Lewis in Washington State.

    But when she was blocked by the police a few miles from Mr. Bush's 1,600-acre spread on Saturday, the 48-year-old Ms. Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif., was transformed into a news media phenomenon, the new face of opposition to the Iraq conflict at a moment when public opinion is in flux and the politics of the war have grown more complicated for the president and the Republican Party.

    Ms. Sheehan has vowed to camp out on the spot until Mr. Bush agrees to meet with her, even if it means spending all of August under a broiling sun by the dusty road. Early on Sunday afternoon, 25 hours after she was turned back as she approached Mr. Bush's ranch, Prairie Chapel, Ms. Sheehan stood red-faced from the heat at the makeshift campsite that she says will be her home until the president relents or leaves to go back to Washington. A reporter from The Associated Press had just finished interviewing her. CBS was taping a segment on her. She had already appeared on CNN, and was scheduled to appear live on ABC on Monday morning. Reporters from across the country were calling her cellphone.

    "It's just snowballed," Ms. Sheehan said beside a small stand of trees and a patch of shade that contained a sleeping bag, some candles, a jar of nuts and a few other supplies. "We have opened up a debate in the country."

    Seeking to head off exactly the situation that now seems to be unfolding, the administration sent two senior officials out from the ranch on Saturday afternoon to meet with her. But Ms. Sheehan said after talking to the officials - Stephen J. Hadley, the national security adviser, and Joe Hagin, a deputy White House chief of staff - that she would not back down in her demand to see the president.

    Her success in drawing so much attention to her message - and leaving the White House in a face-off with an opponent who had to be treated very gently even as she aggressively attacked the president and his policies - seemed to stem from the confluence of several forces.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/08/politics/08crawford.html


  • Mike_BellMike_Bell 5,736 Posts
    What do ya'll think of this story?

    August 9, 2005

    One Mother in Crawford (NYtimes editorial)

    Summertime often produces unexpected media figures, and this is Cindy Sheehan's season. Ms. Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq last year, is camping out near President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Tex., and says she won't leave until Mr. Bush agrees to meet with her to discuss the war. There are many reasons for the flood of media attention she is attracting: she has a poignant personal story and she is articulate - and, let's face it, August is a slow news month. But most of all, she is tapping into a growing popular feeling that the Bush administration is out of touch with the realities, and the costs, of the Iraq war.

    Ms. Sheehan's 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed in Baghdad. She says she and her family met privately with Mr. Bush two months later, and she is sharply critical of how the president acted. He did not know her son's name, she says, acted as if the meeting was a party and called her "Mom" throughout, which she considered disrespectful.

    Ms. Sheehan has traveled from her California home to Crawford, where Mr. Bush will be spending much of the month, in the hope of having a more substantive discussion. On Saturday, Mr. Bush's national security adviser and the White House deputy chief of staff met with her beside a road a few miles from the ranch, but she is still insisting on a meeting with the president.

    Even many Americans who do not share her views about the president - she arrived in a bus bearing the slogan "Impeachment Tour" - share her concerns about his war leadership. President Bush has refused to ask the nation to sacrifice in any way, so the sacrifice gap has never been greater. A few families, like Ms. Sheehan's, have paid the ultimate price. Many more, including National Guard families, are bearing enormous burdens, struggling to get by while a parent, a child or a spouse serves in Iraq. But the rest of the nation is spending its tax cuts and guzzling gas as if there were no war.

    Mr. Bush obviously failed to comfort Ms. Sheehan when he met with her and her family. More important, he has not helped the nation give fallen soldiers like Casey Sheehan the honor they deserve. The administration seems reluctant to have the president take part in events that would direct widespread attention to soldiers' funerals or to the thousands who have returned with serious injuries.

    Perhaps most troubling, Mr. Bush is not leveling about where things stand with the war. He continues to stay on message, as he did with the platitude he offered last week: "We will stay the course; we will complete the job in Iraq." The public knows that things in Iraq are not going well on any number of levels, and deserves a fuller, more honest discussion led by the commander in chief.

    Just 38 percent of the respondents in a recent Associated Press-Ipsos poll, a new low, approved of Mr. Bush's handling of Iraq. That does not mean the remaining 62 percent agree with Ms. Sheehan that the troops should come home immediately. But it does mean that many Americans are with her, at least figuratively, at that dusty roadside in Crawford, expecting better answers.

    August 8, 2005
    Of the Many Deaths in Iraq, One Mother's Loss Becomes a Problem for the President
    By RICHARD W. STEVENSON
    CRAWFORD, Tex., Aug. 7 - President Bush draws antiwar protesters just about wherever he goes, but few generate the kind of attention that Cindy Sheehan has since she drove down the winding road toward his ranch here this weekend and sought to tell him face to face that he must pull all Americans troops out of Iraq now.

    Ms. Sheehan's son, Casey, was killed last year in Iraq, after which she became an antiwar activist. She says she and her family met with the president two months later at Fort Lewis in Washington State.

    But when she was blocked by the police a few miles from Mr. Bush's 1,600-acre spread on Saturday, the 48-year-old Ms. Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif., was transformed into a news media phenomenon, the new face of opposition to the Iraq conflict at a moment when public opinion is in flux and the politics of the war have grown more complicated for the president and the Republican Party.

    Ms. Sheehan has vowed to camp out on the spot until Mr. Bush agrees to meet with her, even if it means spending all of August under a broiling sun by the dusty road. Early on Sunday afternoon, 25 hours after she was turned back as she approached Mr. Bush's ranch, Prairie Chapel, Ms. Sheehan stood red-faced from the heat at the makeshift campsite that she says will be her home until the president relents or leaves to go back to Washington. A reporter from The Associated Press had just finished interviewing her. CBS was taping a segment on her. She had already appeared on CNN, and was scheduled to appear live on ABC on Monday morning. Reporters from across the country were calling her cellphone.

    "It's just snowballed," Ms. Sheehan said beside a small stand of trees and a patch of shade that contained a sleeping bag, some candles, a jar of nuts and a few other supplies. "We have opened up a debate in the country."

    Seeking to head off exactly the situation that now seems to be unfolding, the administration sent two senior officials out from the ranch on Saturday afternoon to meet with her. But Ms. Sheehan said after talking to the officials - Stephen J. Hadley, the national security adviser, and Joe Hagin, a deputy White House chief of staff - that she would not back down in her demand to see the president.

    Her success in drawing so much attention to her message - and leaving the White House in a face-off with an opponent who had to be treated very gently even as she aggressively attacked the president and his policies - seemed to stem from the confluence of several forces.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/08/politics/08crawford.html

    Excellent story.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    oh and here's the Washingtontimes spin on it. (Vitamin writes for them)



    "Vacaville speaks



    Cindy Sheehan's vigil outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, to demand a second visit with Mr. Bush over the death in Iraq of her son, U.S. Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, has drawn some quizzical glances.



    Some think* she has tailored her personal tragedy to further a political agenda: Mrs. Sheehan has the support of such groups as the PeaceMajority, Gold Star Families for Peace, Military Families Speak Out and the Institute for Public Accuracy. She has called for Mr. Bush's impeachment and has been interviewed by the Associated Press, Air America, CBS, ABC and CNN.

    Folks from her hometown of Vacaville, Calif., are getting annoyed. This letter from veteran Trent Fry appeared yesterday in the Reporter, the local paper that first covered her meeting with the president last June.

    "I have had enough of Cindy Sheehan. We were all saddened by the death of her son, Casey, in Iraq well over a year ago. Every death of a military member is tragic, whether in combat or as a result of an accident. As a mom, she is certainly entitled to grieve her loss. However, I think she's had more than her 15 minutes in the limelight," Mr. Fry wrote.

    "Everyone who takes the Oath of Enlistment swears to 'obey the orders of the president, and the orders of the officers appointed over me.' Army Spc. Casey Sheehan willingly joined America's all-volunteer military. There hasn't been a draft in more than 30 years.

    "I wonder what Spc. Sheehan would think of the manner in which his mother is using his death to gain the notoriety to allow her to project her political agenda on the American public. Mrs. Sheehan's road trip across the country is not news and should not be treated as if it were." "



    *"Some think" is trick exposed by the OutFoxed video. How to editorialize in the news without taking any responsibility.




  • coffinjoecoffinjoe 1,743 Posts
    What do ya'll think of this story?

    also today.................

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/09/AR2005080901441.html

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    oh and here's the Washingtontimes spin on it. (Vitamin writes for them)

    Where is that chickenhawk? Did he enlist yet?


  • coffinjoecoffinjoe 1,743 Posts
    oh and here's the Washingtontimes spin on it. (Vitamin writes for them)

    she has tailored her personal tragedy to further a political agenda

    WTF ?!?
    yeah, i'm sure that's what she wanted, a dead son
    i hate the times, mooney mofos

  • z_illaz_illa 867 Posts
    there is also an interview on alternet with her, haven't read any of this yet though...

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    oh and here's the Washingtontimes spin on it. (Vitamin writes for them)

    Where is that chickenhawk? Did he enlist yet?


    i think he's in Egypt...


  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    oh and here's the Washingtontimes spin on it. (Vitamin writes for them)



    she has tailored her personal tragedy to further a political agenda



    WTF ?!?

    yeah, i'm sure that's what she wanted, a dead son

    i hate the times, mooney mofos



    but the Wtimes didn't say that...they said "some say" that



    they (Wtimes) are just objective reporters in a field skewed to the left.

  • oh and here's the Washingtontimes spin on it. (Vitamin writes for them)

    "Vacaville speaks

    Cindy Sheehan's vigil outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, to demand a second visit with Mr. Bush over the death in Iraq of her son, U.S. Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, has drawn some quizzical glances.

    Some think* she has tailored her personal tragedy to further a political agenda: Mrs. Sheehan has the support of such groups as the PeaceMajority, Gold Star Families for Peace, Military Families Speak Out and the Institute for Public Accuracy. She has called for Mr. Bush's impeachment and has been interviewed by the Associated Press, Air America, CBS, ABC and CNN.
    Folks from her hometown of Vacaville, Calif., are getting annoyed. This letter from veteran Trent Fry appeared yesterday in the Reporter, the local paper that first covered her meeting with the president last June.
    "I have had enough of Cindy Sheehan. We were all saddened by the death of her son, Casey, in Iraq well over a year ago. Every death of a military member is tragic, whether in combat or as a result of an accident. As a mom, she is certainly entitled to grieve her loss. However, I think she's had more than her 15 minutes in the limelight," Mr. Fry wrote.
    "Everyone who takes the Oath of Enlistment swears to 'obey the orders of the president, and the orders of the officers appointed over me.' Army Spc. Casey Sheehan willingly joined America's all-volunteer military. There hasn't been a draft in more than 30 years.
    "I wonder what Spc. Sheehan would think of the manner in which his mother is using his death to gain the notoriety to allow her to project her political agenda on the American public. Mrs. Sheehan's road trip across the country is not news and should not be treated as if it were." "

    *"Some think" is trick exposed by the OutFoxed video. How to editorialize in the news without taking any responsibility.



    That cornhole Charlie Gibson on Good Morning America was interviewing her yesterday and giving her a lot of guff about how she might be "disrespecting" the loss of the parents of other dead soldiers. Fuck him. Anyone at the networks confronting Bush about how his continued idiocy is "disrespecting" the losses of these people? Goddamn...it's like living in Bizarro USA....
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