Craig Moerer description question
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What does "boot" mean - bootleg???
That would be really weird.
It's not explained in the grading section.
Thank You.
edit - is he using it interchangeably with re-issue?
That would be really weird.
It's not explained in the grading section.
Thank You.
edit - is he using it interchangeably with re-issue?
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without seeing the item in question I can't say for sure, but generally if a dealer, especially a real head like Moerer, is calling a record he is selling a "bootleg," it means the record is an older bootleg and therefore may have some collectible value ... a new reissue he would just call a reissue (or RE) and leave it at that, whether the legality of the pressing is questionable or not. Older boots of records may just be acknowledged as such ... it is a grey area, no doubt, but here is a record I own that is clearly a bootleg (of a $400-$700 garage 45) yet also clearly has some collectible value:
http://webwarper.net/ww/~av/www.popsike.com/GARAGE-ROCK-THE-CHOB-AINT-GONNA-EAT-OUT-MY-HEART/330108922801.html
Gotta disagree, at least, not if it's a new "exact repro:"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300442655011
Uh, maybe he doesn't think it's a boot, maybe he thinks it's a reissue.
Is that the same Soulciety that worked on the Audrey Motaung - Colours Can't Clash Lp
I think it is a german import and I will check the record cover when I get home.
she is a gospel/blues singer. strong supporter of womens rights, and "enjoys a relatively high media profile in Germany"
http://www.mountain-africa.com/audrey.html
Scorpios are allegedly legit (whether they are or not is the subject for another thread) - why would he call it a boot?
http://stores.ebay.com/Craig-Moerer-Recordsbymail-com__W0QQ_sidZ5606007?_nkw="boot"&LH_TitleDesc=1
(although this link shows that he will sell stock copies of doo wop boot 45's for $5 and call them as such, but of course, doo wop boots are ubiquitous and a massive part of the genre)
http://cgi.ebay.com/KIM-WESTON-Helpless-Take-Me-Your-Arms-soul-45-/310233732193?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item483b5f1461
http://cgi.ebay.com/ISLEY-BROTHERS-Old-Heart-Mine-soul-vinyl-45-/300446219695?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item45f3fd7daf
http://cgi.ebay.com/BEATLES-Sessions-rock-pop-vinyl-LP-/310196745795?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item48392ab643
back in the day montreal used to have this lp/cd bootleg superstore called "rock en stock". new york had a bunch of spots too and i think they all pretty much got shut-down in the late 90's. those were the days i guess but now we have youtube..
Let me explain
a "boot" or "bootleg" is a term that is supposed to be applied to an item/release that doesnt currently exist and is unauthorized. Examples:
Pink Floyd "Live in Tallahasse 1976"...there is no legit issue of a this sparticular Pink Floyd concert
Rolling Stones "Black and Blue demos and outtakes"...there is no legit release of these recordings
The aforementioned are correctly called "bootlegs"
a "pirate" is an unathorized pressing/release of an available, legitimate release(s)
examples:
Goldmine "Sound of Funk" compilations are pirate compilations, they are unauthorized releases as the licenses were not acquired for release
Scorpio's pressings of The Power of Zeus and Headless Heros of the Apocalypse are pirated copies...there are legit copies of these albums, however these particular pressings are pirated, i.e. unauthorized.
carry on
You really think Moerer is writing in the comments for each of his 150,000 listings?
He has 15 underling "interns" to do that. I'm sure this is just an issue of them not being on the same page.
Why do you assume that the Boobie Knight is of questionable legality?
Please post a link.
Craig has been selling since the 70s.
When 50s vocal groups were the thing he was a go to guy.
Repos of 50s vocal group 45s were called boots. As l recall.
lf you are looking at a 45 most likely it is a repo he is calling a boot.
Or, you could just email Craig.
Hello. Yes, that is short for ???bootleg??? or ???unauthorized pressing???.
This record is not an original pressing.
Hope that helps.
It is an early 1960s track. I didn't want to push my luck with the person on the other end, but I asked about sound quality.
You actually went back and edited your earlier post to add the statement in parentheses:
... and then you ask me that question? I don't get you in this thread.
How about this: I think many Scorpio pressings are bootlegged/pirated/illegitimate/bullshit.
I think I've made that obvious even though you seem to keep asking me to say it RIGHT OUT (although as you say, it's a subject for another thread ... ?)
Hook Up seems pretty convinced that the Power of Zeus and Headless Heroes are boots, let's invite him to that "other" thread.