This Sherrod / NAACP / TeaParty thing?

mrmatthewmrmatthew 1,575 Posts
edited July 2010 in Strut Central
this unfolded quite quickly and i am not quite sure i know what happened, but as far as I can tell, here is what went down;

Right wing blogger releases an edited vesrion of a speech Sherrod, a high level FDA official, gave at an NAACP meeting. This heavily edited version makes it look like she was telling a very receptive NAACP audience that she refused to help white farmers who were trying to not loose thier farm.

This clip blows up on the Web and everyone overreacts and she gets canned.

The slowly the turth comes out that she did actually try to help the white family and that the clip was heavily edited by someone with an agenda. That agenda being that the NAACP recently called out the Tea Party on some of thier more fringe (re:racist) elements and how they refused to denounce them. So in retaliation for that, some right wing blogger edits this video to make it look like the NAACP is racist as well? and this lady just gets caught up in the middle of it?

WTF?

This is a very weird story that i think will, eventually, be looked back on as a water-shed moment for the news-journo-internet dynamic.

Everyone (right and left and media) looks bad in this.

any thoughts?
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  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Have not heard this yet.

    Last week there was this from the tea party:
    "You're dealing with people who are professional race-baiters, who make a very good living off this kind of thing. They make more money off of race than any slave trader ever. It's time groups like the NAACP went to the trash heap of history where they belong with all the other vile racist groups that emerged in our history,"
    Mark Williams, a national spokesman for the Tea Party Express.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128505089

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Sherrod should be offered her job back (even if she won't take it) and Obama should himself apologize.

    I'm not even going to speak on Breitbert and Fox. We know what that about.

  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    she def deserves her job back.

    but if I were her i'd tell them to go f*ck themselves.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,473 Posts
    LaserWolf said:
    Have not heard this yet.

    Last week there was this from the tea party:
    "You're dealing with people who are professional race-baiters, who make a very good living off this kind of thing. They make more money off of race than any slave trader ever. It's time groups like the NAACP went to the trash heap of history where they belong with all the other vile racist groups that emerged in our history,"
    Mark Williams, a national spokesman for the Tea Party Express.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128505089

    I don't know if you got to see Mark Williams' "Letter from Ben Jealous (NAACP head) to Abraham Lincoln" before even Mark Williams was like "damn, that's some racist-ass shit" and pulled it off his site, but damn, was it some racist-ass shit.

    Why anybody gives Andy Breitbart even the tiniest bit of credibility is beyond me. His ACORN shit was a lie, now his NAACP shit is a lie. Here's a hint, media 'tards: Andy Breitbart is a liar.

  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    they got Bachman on the news right now talmbout the new "tea party caucus." this woman is crazy.

  • mrmatthewmrmatthew 1,575 Posts
    DJ_Enki said:
    LaserWolf said:
    Have not heard this yet.

    Last week there was this from the tea party:
    "You're dealing with people who are professional race-baiters, who make a very good living off this kind of thing. They make more money off of race than any slave trader ever. It's time groups like the NAACP went to the trash heap of history where they belong with all the other vile racist groups that emerged in our history,"
    Mark Williams, a national spokesman for the Tea Party Express.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128505089

    I don't know if you got to see Mark Williams' "Letter from Ben Jealous (NAACP head) to Abraham Lincoln" before even Mark Williams was like "damn, that's some racist-ass shit" and pulled it off his site, but damn, was it some racist-ass shit.

    Why anybody given Andy Breitbart even the tiniest bit of credibility is beyond me. His ACORN shit was a lie, now his NAACP shit is a lie. Here's a hint, media 'tards: Andy Breitbart is a liar.

    I didnt realize that this was the same guy behind the ACORN thing and the getting-busted-posing as-a-phone-repairman-to-break-into-congresswomens-office-and-plant-bugs thing.
    How/why did major media not scrtuinize this more carefully given dudes track record?

  • apparently they are offering her a better job. what a shameful episode.

    even faced with evidence of his "mistake", breitbart is unrepentant as is fox news who is blaming the white house and the naacp.

  • barjesusbarjesus 872 Posts
    mrmatthew said:
    DJ_Enki said:
    LaserWolf said:
    Have not heard this yet.

    Last week there was this from the tea party:
    "You're dealing with people who are professional race-baiters, who make a very good living off this kind of thing. They make more money off of race than any slave trader ever. It's time groups like the NAACP went to the trash heap of history where they belong with all the other vile racist groups that emerged in our history,"
    Mark Williams, a national spokesman for the Tea Party Express.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128505089

    I don't know if you got to see Mark Williams' "Letter from Ben Jealous (NAACP head) to Abraham Lincoln" before even Mark Williams was like "damn, that's some racist-ass shit" and pulled it off his site, but damn, was it some racist-ass shit.

    Why anybody given Andy Breitbart even the tiniest bit of credibility is beyond me. His ACORN shit was a lie, now his NAACP shit is a lie. Here's a hint, media 'tards: Andy Breitbart is a liar.

    I didnt realize that this was the same guy behind the ACORN thing and the getting-busted-posing as-a-phone-repairman-to-break-into-congresswomens-office-and-plant-bugs thing.
    How/why did major media not scrtuinize this more carefully given dudes track record?

    Because they want to believe it

  • the way these people muddle and manipulate reality is scary:




  • mrmatthewmrmatthew 1,575 Posts
    Sherrod work(ed) for the USDA and NOT the FDA as i implied in my OG post.
    Just so we all are clear.

    I guess it IS pretty easy to post things as fact without all the facts ;)

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    It's probably not a good idea to have anecdotes like that in public speeches. Keep that schitt personal fault-free. 'Cause you will get Van Jones'd.

  • i thought her story was inspirational...

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Reynaldo said:
    It's probably not a good idea to have anecdotes which might get edited to serve someone's partisan needs.

    FIXED

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    rootlesscosmo said:
    they got Bachman on the news right now talmbout the new "tea party caucus." this woman is crazy.
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  • mrmatthewmrmatthew 1,575 Posts
    Reynaldo said:
    It's probably not a good idea to have anecdotes like that in public speeches. Keep that schitt personal fault-free. 'Cause you will get Van Jones'd.
    While i do appreciate that sentiment, thats kind of my point here.
    Im sure out there in the world exists snippets of a speech by elie wiesel that talks about the horrors of the holocaust that could be edited to sound like it supported the Nazis.
    So would we better off if no one spoke about personal experince for fear of having thier statements "re-purposed" by someone to further thier own cause even if its completely counter to your original intent?
    Sounds kind of Orwellian or Huxleyian or some "..ian" to me.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
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  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    mannybolone said:
    Reynaldo said:
    It's probably not a good idea to have anecdotes which might get edited to serve someone's partisan needs.

    FIXED
    Even in context it's still an admission of a minor failing. Enough of those strung together out of context and you're Van Jones'd. Keep it Kagan.

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    It's not the anecdotes that are the issue; it's the weak stomach of political leaders who are easily cowed into hasty decisions out of fear of the media.

    In any case, except for Sherrod, this whole affair was a colossal disaster for everyone concerned.

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    this whole affair was a colossal disaster for Obama.

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    edpowers said:
    this whole affair was a colossal disaster for Obama.

    No. It has ended up a plus for Obama, or at least it will if Sherrod takes the job offer.

    Meanwhile Willie Nelson wrote this editorial about her:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/willie-nelson/shirley-sherrod-a-family_b_654824.html

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    edpowers said:
    this whole affair was a colossal disaster for Obama.

    I think that's overstating it. He doesn't come off looking good in this (and I disagree with PD's assertion that Obama gets a boost if Sherrod accepts her job back) but he's far from the most tarnished.

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    mannybolone said:
    edpowers said:
    this whole affair was a colossal disaster for Obama.

    I think that's overstating it. He doesn't come off looking good in this (and I disagree with PD's assertion that Obama gets a boost if Sherrod accepts her job back) but he's far from the most tarnished.

    The White House was responsible for her firing...not Breitbart,not NAACP,not FOX and not Vilsack....

    it's not helping Obama that Shirley is a RockStar now, on every news show asking for a personal apology from The President

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    ... and it gives the originators of the smear a HUGE out by being able to blame this all on Obama. Which they are doing.

    Neither Fox nor Breitbart has apologized, yet they are asking for Obama to do just that.


    This was a huge fuck up on the administration's part and honestly one that left me far more disillusioned than a number of other, more consequential fuck ups.

    The administration is so scared of the right wing media machine. And so freaked out that they might be labeled as Teh Reverse Racist!!!11!! that it should cause anyone to question where there hearts, or - perhaps more importantly - their nuts, are at.

    It's worth noting how incredibly USEFUL Sherrod was. How perfect for the post she was. To many poor Southern whites, no less. This is, to me, very much a "stand for something or you fall for nothing" moment.

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    Jonny_Paycheck said:
    ... and it gives the originators of the smear a HUGE out by being able to blame this all on Obama. Which they are doing.

    Neither Fox nor Breitbart has apologized, yet they are asking for Obama to do just that.


    This was a huge fuck up on the administration's part and honestly one that left me far more disillusioned than a number of other, more consequential fuck ups.

    The administration is so scared of the right wing media machine. And so freaked out that they might be labeled as Teh Reverse Racist!!!11!! that it should cause anyone to question where there hearts, or - perhaps more importantly - their nuts, are at.

    It's worth noting how incredibly USEFUL Sherrod was. How perfect for the post she was. To many poor Southern whites, no less. This is, to me, very much a "stand for something or you fall for nothing" moment.

    Exactly

  • sabadabadasabadabada 5,966 Posts
    edpowers said:
    mannybolone said:
    edpowers said:
    this whole affair was a colossal disaster for Obama.

    I think that's overstating it. He doesn't come off looking good in this (and I disagree with PD's assertion that Obama gets a boost if Sherrod accepts her job back) but he's far from the most tarnished.

    The White House was responsible for her firing...not Breitbart,not NAACP,not FOX and not Vilsack....

    it's not helping Obama that Shirley is a RockStar now, on every news show asking for a personal apology from The President

    And basically saying Obama doesn't understand what its like because he isn't black enough. I like her, not necessarily because of that, but because I like her story she has principles.

    I think the mistake the left made was that they were so eager to go after Breitbart that they looked at the pictures without reading the actual post. The "money paragraph" in Breitbart's piece was "Sherrod???s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups??? racial tolerance."

    He wasn't going after her so much as he was going after the organization.

  • sabadabadasabadabada 5,966 Posts
    Is it really any more slimey than Spencer Ackerman (someone who is supposed to be a "real journalist") telling the members of journolist "take one of them ..., who cares--and call them racists."

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    And basically saying Obama doesn't understand what its like because he isn't black enough.

    i saw this ....dude fucked up major......his most loyal supporters are black women and now a black woman, who is gaining poularity by the second is taking shots at him in front of every camera she can find...........I think the New Black Panther Party bullshit was starting to get to him and this was an embarassing overreaction..........When you have a reputation for being soft, the last thing you want to do is get a woman fired and not even own up to it.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    Everything I've read about Ms. Sherrod shows her to be a fair, honest and principled, hard working person. Just the type of person that is chewed up and spit out by today's political machine. The media has become nothing more than a political tool, used by both sides of the aisle to distort, misrepresent and "take out" those who will not play the game. Human character sacrifices in the name of political agenda has become so commonplace you need a scorecard. And for those who aren't interested in politics the media numbs their minds with Lindsay Lohan and Burger King parking lot fights.

    Whether it's the 'right" attacking Ms. Sherrod and the NAACP or the "left" conspiring to call Fred Barnes a racist, both are done, imorrally imo, to acheive a political end regardless whether there is a shred of truth behind it. The means justifies the goal even if the means is fabricated from lies and half truths.

    And most Americans simply pick a side like it's a sporting event and root for their side to "win" when in reality the end result is as a country, we all lose. We don't demand honesty and inegrity from our politicians, only that they "fight" for some some ill-perceived "party" that we align ourselves with like a MMA fighter that we want to win by any means possible. If some people get bloodied along the way, even better, it's modern day entertainment to set people up and knock them down.

    The ONLY way we will make any strives forward is when we all realize that the problem isn't with the poiticians on the right or the poiticians on the left, the problem is with politicians.....period. The same thing can be said about the media at this point because it has become nothing more than a manipulating tool of said politicians.

  • sabadabadasabadabada 5,966 Posts
    It's big stakes Rock. You have to fight for it and win before you can do anything with it.

  • sabadabadasabadabada 5,966 Posts
    And the reason its big stakes, I would add, is because of the bloated federal government that now commands huge resources and is tasked with all sorts of services that are better served, and were traditionally intended to be served, locally.
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