I only seek out rare shit..I rarely download new shit..I go to a certain site and listen to snippets on new music,and that let's me know if i'll buy it or not.
A lot of music is long out of print,hard to find,or just too expensive to buy.For example,a few weeks ago,i found the ADAGIO ep,and Freddie Foxxx first release.
Those and many other things are not easy to find,or just sittin around in any used record spots very often.
One funny thing with music blogs is that I tend to find myself downloading whole albums just to hear one song - not even a song I'm gripping for my hard drive, just some shit that I want to hear ... for example, I searched for and downloaded an entire Isley Brothers greatest hits album last week, just because I really wanted to hear "Summer Breeze" and couldn't find my copy of the LP. Or like when I downloaded the entire Hackamore Brick album even though I already own it, just to hear/have the one bonus track that was included.
I understand the complaints, but overall I appreciate them. It's really nice when you find a blog with thoughtful reviews from someone whose taste intersects with your own -- especially when they're located in some corner of the globe you may never get to yourself.
A lot of the bollywood, krautrock, and brazilian records I consider favorites I wouldn't know about if not for bloggers.
along these lines, they can be fun just for cover-browsing, too. I haven't stumbled across any music up my alley on this yugo rock blog, but I love checking out the covers, 99% of which I'll never come across in the US:
You know, don't tip your hand too much. In this game, there are still secrets...
I think I've been too influenced by the in the last while. I make sound clips with no id tags, send folks snippits of tracks. I feel a glut of sharing coming up, tho. I kinda miss talking about music. I guess that's where "tipping your hand too much" comes in.
The blogs where the sole purpose is to download whole albums are pretty gay. For the most part these dudes aren't sharing music they actually own or even sharing their own thoughts about it. It is just an MP3 grip-fest. Fuck that.
i agree... i find those kida blogs a little creepy for some reason...
i also think that in most cases posting one or two songs from an LP is the move... i think the idea should be to pique (sp?) someone interest in something and shine a light on it, but not to tip your whole hand... ie. if they like it, they can track it down...
There's records that, if I saw them posted, would really piss me off.
Oh believe me, they are posted. There's very, very little that seems sacred in that regard. Personally, for all I post, I keep a lot in the pocket but for me, audioblogging was never about rarity, per se.
I wonder if it's a generational thing...as if these young MP3 cats are like, "fuck these vinyl collectro types - I'm going to post up every last holy grail I can get my digital hands on."
On the other hand, you have the dude who runs Loronix, and to me, he's not in it for the floss; he's in it to share albums that are long OOP and not on CD and I can't be mad at his hustle. Dudes posting up West Coast Revival though?
I wonder if it's a generational thing...as if these young MP3 cats are like, "fuck these vinyl collectro types - I'm going to post up every last holy grail I can get my digital hands on."
I'm definitely getting this feeling over the last couple of years. It seems like the "I want all these rare expensive records but can't afford them" crowd are turning into the "I will just download all these rare expensive records and be an expert on rare records" crowd. It's kinda depressing. Less "Wow, this is great and makes be want to go out and discover neat things" and more "U POST DOWNLOAD BUTTON NOW PLZ???"
I mean, don't get me wrong, I am not hatting on downloading music. It's just that I see people becoming desensitized and developing this sorta of OK WHAT'S NEXT attitude. You've also got a ton of 20 year olds running around who've heard DR Hooker and Jim Sullivan on Monnie but haven't heard Jefferson Airplane or the Byrds. It's a de-evolution.
I wonder if it's a generational thing...as if these young MP3 cats are like, "fuck these vinyl collectro types - I'm going to post up every last holy grail I can get my digital hands on."
I'm definitely getting this feeling over the last couple of years. It seems like the "I want all these rare expensive records but can't afford them" crowd are turning into the "I will just download all these rare expensive records and be an expert on rare records" crowd. It's kinda depressing. Less "Wow, this is great and makes be want to go out and discover neat things" and more "U POST DOWNLOAD BUTTON NOW PLZ???"
I mean, don't get me wrong, I am not hatting on downloading music. It's just that I see people becoming desensitized and developing this sorta of OK WHAT'S NEXT attitude. You've also got a ton of 20 year olds running around who've heard DR Hooker and Jim Sullivan on Monnie but haven't heard Jefferson Airplane or the Byrds. It's a de-evolution.
I wonder if it's a generational thing...as if these young MP3 cats are like, "fuck these vinyl collectro types - I'm going to post up every last holy grail I can get my digital hands on."
I'm definitely getting this feeling over the last couple of years. It seems like the "I want all these rare expensive records but can't afford them" crowd are turning into the "I will just download all these rare expensive records and be an expert on rare records" crowd. It's kinda depressing. Less "Wow, this is great and makes be want to go out and discover neat things" and more "U POST DOWNLOAD BUTTON NOW PLZ???"
I mean, don't get me wrong, I am not hatting on downloading music. It's just that I see people becoming desensitized and developing this sorta of OK WHAT'S NEXT attitude. You've also got a ton of 20 year olds running around who've heard DR Hooker and Jim Sullivan on Monnie but haven't heard Jefferson Airplane or the Byrds. It's a de-evolution.
BINGO
ah, that clears that up for me. While I'm totally into the holding your hand close ideology (I myself don't really like swapping files with other DJs, and always like having that 'aura of mystery' around unique tracks that I may have), at the same time this sentiment isn't much different than when ebay first got going about 10 or so years ago and diggers were like "fuck these kids that just make a list and go on ebay, I had to search :insert number of years here: to find that record in the field!"
ultimately, there will always be some uncovered gems that people will find, no matter how digitized everything gets.
"Fuck these young kids, they spend a few hours online downloading records that took me 30+ years to find and now they think they're experts"
"Fuck these old bastards, they hoard rare music like it's some holy grail only meant to be listened to by members of some special douche collectors club"
"Fuck these young kids, they spend a few hours online downloading records that took me 30+ years to find and now they think they're experts"
"Fuck these old bastards, they hoard rare music like it's some holy grail only meant to be listened to by members of some special douche collectors club"
Obsession Vs. Entitlement
An ugly fight any way you look at it.
yup. I wonder what the downloading set will be bitching about in 10 years?
"Fuck these young kids, they spend a few hours online downloading records that took me 30+ years to find and now they think they're experts"
"Fuck these old bastards, they hoard rare music like it's some holy grail only meant to be listened to by members of some special douche collectors club"
Obsession Vs. Entitlement
An ugly fight any way you look at it.
yup. I wonder what the downloading set will be bitching about in 10 years?
Fuck these Johnny Mnemoic types - back in our day, we downloaded music to handheld machines!
Btw, I caught this briefly on cable the other day and his brain storage capacity was something like...700 gigabytes. I know it was made in 1995 and what not, but one can read this one of two ways:
1) If you had told someone, in 1995, that could buy a terabyte drive for a few hunnid dollars, their heads would have exploded, Scanners-style.
2) Keanu has diminished mental capacity.
Back on topic: I think Rock hits it square on the head.
The way I see it, if I would've kept that Matthew Larkin Cassell a secret, then BSides may have never played it for Woimsah, Woimsah may have never tracked dude down, Kon & Amir may have never reissued his music and MLC may have never been recognized for his contributions. Granted, it doesn't happen all the time, but it happens enough to make a difference in somebody's life.
Mp3's & blogs have made this msuic schitt a little less fun for me cause schitt is too easy to find. Music is as common as dirt. You can find new schitt every day. Mp3's have taken a little bit of shine of grails because they've been overexposed. Full albums all over. I like Jonny's site. You see pics of the albums & maybe a clip. Visiting his site last week inspired me to go to an actual record store, something I didn't do in 2007 (People need to scope out VEBB). As for the thing, I don't know. I guess I'm just a selfish horder at heart
To play devil's advocate, If ten years ago someone had asked us "would you like to be able to preview basically any record in the world on your own time in the comfort of your own home?" how many of us would've said no?
Having access to blogs definitely gets me out to record stores/thrift stores etc much more frequently; it's helped expand both my knowledge and my taste and therefore expanded the range of what I'm looking for.
To play devil's advocate, If ten years ago someone had asked us "would you like to be able to preview basically any record in the world on your own time in the comfort of your own home?" how many of us would've said no?
Having access to blogs definitely gets me out to record stores/thrift stores etc much more frequently; it's helped expand both my knowledge and my taste and therefore expanded the range of what I'm looking for.
I think most folks around here appreciate that it's brought pros and cons. No one is denying the benefits. But we're also pointing out what gets lost.
To play devil's advocate, If ten years ago someone had asked us "would you like to be able to preview basically any record in the world on your own time in the comfort of your own home?" how many of us would've said no?
Having access to blogs definitely gets me out to record stores/thrift stores etc much more frequently; it's helped expand both my knowledge and my taste and therefore expanded the range of what I'm looking for.
I think most folks around here appreciate that it's brought pros and cons. No one is denying the benefits. But we're also pointing out what gets lost.
No doubt, I see both. Just seems like people wish there were some sort of filter that only allowed smart, tasteful, moral people (i.e. themselves) to access this technology. No technology works that way, as anyone who 's ever turned on a television or computer knows.
I'm real mixed on the issue. As someone who grew up with online music sharing since middle school, it's something I'm fairly used to. Blogs and other online music sites have taught me a LOT about records and music, and in an age when none of this music gets played on the radio, this means a lot to me.
At the same time, I've learned more from personal interactions with other collectors than I EVER have or could from the internet. And there are certainly records that are rare, good and cheap that I would hate to see put on blast.
I wonder if it's a generational thing...as if these young MP3 cats are like, "fuck these vinyl collectro types - I'm going to post up every last holy grail I can get my digital hands on."
Actually, you would be SURPRISED to see how many people OWNS a copy of what they post. Blogs are an extension of Soulseekers if you prefer. People with hard drives. Don't get me wrong, there's some records owner too in the middle of this BS. But most of them don't OWN a copy. Kusini, Boscoe, Stark, Giles, etc...People couldnt even dream about listening to a snippet back then. Blame it on the owner who first ripped a copy and then allowed the rest of the World to act like they know. Myself, i never tought i would listen to Boscoe one day. Now that i did, i'm even more pissed because i know i cant own it. Granted, i can bump it in my iPod. Strange World. I completely agree with that : it's Obsession Vs. Entitlement.
"Fuck these young kids, they spend a few hours online downloading records that took me 30+ years to find and now they think they're experts"
"Fuck these old bastards, they hoard rare music like it's some holy grail only meant to be listened to by members of some special douche collectors club"
700 gigs is still a pretty phenomenal amount of data. Scientists have speculated that the actual STORAGE capacity of our brains might be considerably less. This is because its less about how much raw data that we can hold and more about how we acess that data that makes the human brain so unique.
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Myself, i never tought i would listen to Boscoe one day. Now that i did, i'm even more pissed because i know i cant own it. Granted, i can bump it in my iPod. Strange World. I completely agree with that : it's Obsession Vs. Entitlement.
You do know Boscoe's been reissued? It even got reviewed in the current issue of Mojo - Radiohead's on the cover, in case you want to check it out. Good review, too.
To stay on topic, I have somewhat mixed feelings about music blogs. One one hand, I'm not a fan of those that arbitrarily post brand-new shit, not least because quite a few friends of mine make music for a living, and it irks me when I see their shit posted up on blogs. Some of them aren't at the level where they're making a fortune from their music, and those potential lost sales could be the difference between getting to make another album and getting dropped. On the other hand, I'm a big fan of some of these specialist blogs that post up the kind of rare or deleted shit which major labels seem to have no interest in making available again. They've encouraged me to get a bit more adventurous with what I check out, and in some cases, I've bought stuff as a direct result of someone making it available on a blog.
i like tha fakt that i can find anything on an artist or album with the click of a mouse. but i in no way feel like an expert becus i downloaded some raer album i kno nothing about and only seen in the Weekend Finds thread.
alot of times i try to find stuff on my wants list, and really, u can save yourself alot of money/dissapointment by previewing said album.. i kno Heads myte still feel sour even at that, becus they had to fynd /pay said amount of money for the album . but thats whats amazing about living in 2008.
like east of underground.. granted i heard it on the strut. but i saught out info on the band (to later read the same thing in the linear notes on the reissue). and enuff people did the same thing apperently , and now its a reissue and i own it
thaer is still so much stuff that u cannot find anything about let alone a single track. and jus becus these people akt like experts , you can tell thay dont kno the real deal anyways, so take it with a grain of salt.. it only matters what that said music means to you. fuck tha hatters..
the worst is when your looking for something and it is no longer thaer.. ive been spending alot of tyme tracking down stuff off Trap Door II. and the black seeds - in the rain , was on soulsides blog and i was so excited, and now its gone!!!! ahhh... i also seen it here at the strut too. forever saddened i shall b until i find said track
where can i get a copy of boscoe ? ive been checkin dustygroove frequantly and it said it late december and now it says delayed??
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A lot of music is long out of print,hard to find,or just too expensive to buy.For example,a few weeks ago,i found the ADAGIO ep,and Freddie Foxxx first release.
Those and many other things are not easy to find,or just sittin around in any used record spots very often.
find myself downloading whole albums just to hear one
song - not even a song I'm gripping for my hard drive,
just some shit that I want to hear ... for example, I
searched for and downloaded an entire Isley Brothers
greatest hits album last week, just because I really
wanted to hear "Summer Breeze" and couldn't find my copy
of the LP. Or like when I downloaded the entire Hackamore
Brick album even though I already own it, just to hear/have
the one bonus track that was included.
A lot of the bollywood, krautrock, and brazilian records I consider favorites I wouldn't know about if not for bloggers.
along these lines, they can be fun just for cover-browsing, too. I haven't stumbled across any music up my alley on this yugo rock blog, but I love checking out the covers, 99% of which I'll never come across in the US:
http://yurock.blogspot.com/
I think I've been too influenced by the
I'm usually pretty game to pull out
i agree... i find those kida blogs a little creepy for some reason...
i also think that in most cases posting one or two songs from an LP is the move...
i think the idea should be to pique (sp?) someone interest in something and shine a light on it, but not to tip your whole hand... ie. if they like it, they can track it down...
Oh believe me, they are posted. There's very, very little that seems sacred in that regard. Personally, for all I post, I keep a lot in the pocket but for me, audioblogging was never about rarity, per se.
I wonder if it's a generational thing...as if these young MP3 cats are like, "fuck these vinyl collectro types - I'm going to post up every last holy grail I can get my digital hands on."
On the other hand, you have the dude who runs Loronix, and to me, he's not in it for the floss; he's in it to share albums that are long OOP and not on CD and I can't be mad at his hustle. Dudes posting up West Coast Revival though?
I'm definitely getting this feeling over the last couple of years. It seems like the "I want all these rare expensive records but can't afford them" crowd are turning into the "I will just download all these rare expensive records and be an expert on rare records" crowd. It's kinda depressing. Less "Wow, this is great and makes be want to go out and discover neat things" and more "U POST DOWNLOAD BUTTON NOW PLZ???"
I mean, don't get me wrong, I am not hatting on downloading music. It's just that I see people becoming desensitized and developing this sorta of OK WHAT'S NEXT attitude. You've also got a ton of 20 year olds running around who've heard DR Hooker and Jim Sullivan on Monnie but haven't heard Jefferson Airplane or the Byrds. It's a de-evolution.
BINGO
ah, that clears that up for me. While I'm totally into the holding your hand close ideology (I myself don't really like swapping files with other DJs, and always like having that 'aura of mystery' around unique tracks that I may have), at the same time this sentiment isn't much different than when ebay first got going about 10 or so years ago and diggers were like "fuck these kids that just make a list and go on ebay, I had to search :insert number of years here: to find that record in the field!"
ultimately, there will always be some uncovered gems that people will find, no matter how digitized everything gets.
"Fuck these old bastards, they hoard rare music like it's some holy grail only meant to be listened to by members of some special douche collectors club"
Obsession Vs. Entitlement
An ugly fight any way you look at it.
yup. I wonder what the downloading set will be bitching about in 10 years?
Fuck these Johnny Mnemoic types - back in our day, we downloaded music to handheld machines!
Btw, I caught this briefly on cable the other day and his brain storage capacity was something like...700 gigabytes. I know it was made in 1995 and what not, but one can read this one of two ways:
1) If you had told someone, in 1995, that could buy a terabyte drive for a few hunnid dollars, their heads would have exploded, Scanners-style.
2) Keanu has diminished mental capacity.
Back on topic: I think Rock hits it square on the head.
The way I see it, if I would've kept that Matthew Larkin Cassell a secret, then BSides may have never played it for Woimsah, Woimsah may have never tracked dude down, Kon & Amir may have never reissued his music and MLC may have never been recognized for his contributions. Granted, it doesn't happen all the time, but it happens enough to make a difference in somebody's life.
Having access to blogs definitely gets me out to record stores/thrift stores etc much more frequently; it's helped expand both my knowledge and my taste and therefore expanded the range of what I'm looking for.
I think most folks around here appreciate that it's brought pros and cons. No one is denying the benefits. But we're also pointing out what gets lost.
No doubt, I see both. Just seems like people wish there were some sort of filter that only allowed smart, tasteful, moral people (i.e. themselves) to access this technology. No technology works that way, as anyone who 's ever turned on a television or computer knows.
Real Headz Filter???
yeah i know they're not records, but...
At the same time, I've learned more from personal interactions with other collectors than I EVER have or could from the internet. And there are certainly records that are rare, good and cheap that I would hate to see put on blast.
Actually, you would be SURPRISED to see how many people OWNS a copy of what they post. Blogs are an extension of Soulseekers if you prefer. People with hard drives. Don't get me wrong, there's some records owner too in the middle of this BS. But most of them don't OWN a copy. Kusini, Boscoe, Stark, Giles, etc...People couldnt even dream about listening to a snippet back then. Blame it on the owner who first ripped a copy and then allowed the rest of the World to act like they know. Myself, i never tought i would listen to Boscoe one day. Now that i did, i'm even more pissed because i know i cant own it. Granted, i can bump it in my iPod. Strange World. I completely agree with that : it's Obsession Vs. Entitlement.
Perfect. This pretty much sums it up.
so gibson was still kinda right on.
I would love to see that! I have been prodding Noz about it.
Herm - I don't have anything wrong with sharing. I have something wrong with giving it away.
I feel like the biggest thing lost here is that distinction.
Well, you can since Numero Group reissued it. Including on vinyl.
You do know Boscoe's been reissued? It even got reviewed in the current issue of Mojo - Radiohead's on the cover, in case you want to check it out. Good review, too.
To stay on topic, I have somewhat mixed feelings about music blogs. One one hand, I'm not a fan of those that arbitrarily post brand-new shit, not least because quite a few friends of mine make music for a living, and it irks me when I see their shit posted up on blogs. Some of them aren't at the level where they're making a fortune from their music, and those potential lost sales could be the difference between getting to make another album and getting dropped. On the other hand, I'm a big fan of some of these specialist blogs that post up the kind of rare or deleted shit which major labels seem to have no interest in making available again. They've encouraged me to get a bit more adventurous with what I check out, and in some cases, I've bought stuff as a direct result of someone making it available on a blog.
i like tha fakt that i can find anything on an artist or album with the click of a mouse. but i in no way feel like an expert becus i downloaded some raer album i kno nothing about and only seen in the Weekend Finds thread.
alot of times i try to find stuff on my wants list, and really, u can save yourself alot of money/dissapointment by previewing said album.. i kno Heads myte still feel sour even at that, becus they had to fynd /pay said amount of money for the album . but thats whats amazing about living in 2008.
like east of underground.. granted i heard it on the strut. but i saught out info on the band (to later read the same thing in the linear notes on the reissue). and enuff people did the same thing apperently , and now its a reissue and i own it
thaer is still so much stuff that u cannot find anything about let alone a single track.
and jus becus these people akt like experts , you can tell thay dont kno the real deal anyways, so take it with a grain of salt.. it only matters what that said music means to you. fuck tha hatters..
the worst is when your looking for something and it is no longer thaer..
ive been spending alot of tyme tracking down stuff off Trap Door II.
and the black seeds - in the rain , was on soulsides blog and i was so excited, and now its gone!!!! ahhh... i also seen it here at the strut too. forever saddened i shall b until i find said track
where can i get a copy of boscoe ? ive been checkin dustygroove frequantly and it said it late december and now it says delayed??