S C H O O L L Y D WAS R I G H T ! ! ! ! !
MR_ZIMMS
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JUST LISTENED AGAIN (FOR THE 1000 st TIME) TO SCHOOLLY D'S "FIRST ALBUM".D A M N ! THIS STUFF STAYS "IN EFFECT"....SO MUCH BETTER & FRESHER THAN ALL THIS HIP HOP STUFF FROM NOWADAYS.I HAVE THIS DUTCH ONLY HIP HOP DOCUMENTARY ( BIG FUN IN THE BIG TOWN ) WHERE SCHOOLY D STATE"S : "HIP HOP SHOULD STAY RUGGED & ROUGH, NOT LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO ROCK & ROLL..." . HE POINTS OUT THAT ROCK & ROLL WAS DIRTY BUT BECAME SO CLEAN THROUGH THE YEARS (ESPECIALLY IN THE '80'S 'TILL NOW...)HE HOPED THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN TO HIP HOP... BUT IT DID , UNFORTUNATELY....BIG UP TO GROUPS LIKE "COMPANY FLOW" WHO KEPT IF RUGGED !I STARTED BUYING HIP HOP IN 1986 SO I THINK IT WILL ALLWAYS STAY A GENERATION GAP OR SOMETHING.... ANYONE WHO SHARES THIS FEELING ? ? ?ZIMMS
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I started in 84 & still get enjoyment out of new stuff, but will always get a buzz out of the shit I grew up with, like Schoolly D. It hits parts that new tracks don't. Probably because I can remember where I heard it first so it evokes specific emotions.
But I love the story how Schoolly D didn't know how to sequence his TR909 properly when he recorded his early stuff. So he just pressed stop/start on the one pattern he made while he was recording his vocals. Or so the story goes...
I probably pack this in my box every b-boy sesssion I play at, for the b-side 'Treacherous' remix.
I was gonna post a question about the roots of gangsta rap. Many stories point
to Schoolly-D being the catalyst.
Where does Criminal Minded & Crime Pays measure in?
Well, technically Spoonie Gee talked about shooting somebody back in 1979 on "Spoonin Rap", but I don't think anybody would consider it the catalyst for gangsta rap. Schoolly himself was talking gangsterish talk as far back as 1984 on "Gangster Boogie", but really, as far as I know, that 12" with "PSK" and "Gucci Time" set off the whole gangsta rap age. It seems that that particular record was extremely influential all over the country and was imitated at least partially by everybody from Ice-T to The Beastie Boys.
What's the story ?
Zimms
I think Gucci Time has a direct gun/shooting lyric. To the the effect of
"Im gonna shoot the Muthafucka".........somthin' like that.
But would you call that a Gangsta song. When the radio played it,I never
associated the song w/ criminals. More so w/ being
Then again P.S.KILLLERS.
"Roxanne did it to UTFO" then somethin' about why they got the nerve to call her a ho. Bird and the bees reference. I dont think its a big dis.
Shooting people, drinking 40's, cussin', etc.... all common now, but nobody was making records like that back then. Maybe on local tapes like what people like Too Short were doing, but not on records.
Drivin in my car down the avenue
Tokin on a j, sippin on some brew
Turn around, see the fly young lady
Pull to the curb and park my Mercedes
Sayin, 'Fly lady, now you're lookin real nice
Sweeter than honey, sugar and spice'
Told her my name was MC Schoolly D
All about makin that cash money
She said, 'Schoolly D, I know your game
Heard about you in the hall of fame'
I said, 'Mama, mama, I tell you no lies
Cause all I wanna do is to get you high
And eh - lay you down and do the body rock
Took a walk to the corner, got into the car
Took a little trip to a fancy bar
Copped some brew, some j, some coke
Tell you now, brother, this ain't no joke
She got me to the crib, she laid me on the bed
I f**ked her from my toes to the top of my head
I finally realized the girl was a whore
Gave her ten dollars, she asked me for some more
And...
Clinton Road one Saturday night
Towin on a cheeba I was feelin alright
Then my homie-homie called me on the phone
His name is Chief Keith, but we call him Bone
Told me 'bout this party on the Southside
Copped my pistols, jumped into the ride
Got at the bar, copped some flack
Copped some cheeba-cheeba, it wasn't wack
Got to the place, and who did I see
A sucka-ass nigga tryin to sound like me
Put my pistol up against his head
I said, 'you sucka-ass nigga, I should shoot you dead'
A thought ran across my educated mind
Said, man, Schoolly D ain't doin no time
Grabbed the microphone and I started to talk
Sucker-ass nigga, man, he started to walk (excuse any errors, i got most of these lyrics off the net)
Man, this type of schitt is what the streets were fiendin' for... just sayin' it the same way that we say it and do it in real life, no sugar coating or holding back. After that it was pretty much
However, the earliest I consider (which just didn't have the impact but is just the earliest I know) would be Trickeration on Sound of New York in 1980 with "Western Gangster Town" were the first verse in on some cowboy saloon style but the second verse by Basic (what a great name for that time period!!) deals with being in jail and wanting to break out and stuff like that. Then the Spoonie G already mentioned. Then Double Trouble in Wildstyle with some gun talk with "Like a .357 we're out to kill". The only other thing to come to mind of the top is Mighty Mike C of the Fearless Four on the "Problems Of The World Today" ('83) where he raps about dealing drugs and going to jail which a pretty early street rap (particularly from the criminals perspective)...