PEOPLE WILL FORGET
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and we cannot let that happen[/b].I refuse to let this fall by the wayside on some "well, they did the best they could" shit.Already the media is starting to ween people off of this and the majority of people I've talked to (outside of friends) seem to have already moved on. 
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well, what should be done. I for one, feel powerless.
whatever it takes.
and that's why i made this thread, to get some ideas on what can be done.
i'm gonna start by reminding everyone about it until i have no friends left.
and more motherfuckers need to GET ANGRY ABOUT THIS.
i watched that clip of dude breaking down on fox news or whatever, and that just opened my eyes so much wider
Oh im angry, seething even, but lets face it. The media can and will spin this how they want. No match.
Fuck forgetting.
it could happen where you are
we are not prepared
have a plan
hold our leaders to account
(we got elections here in 2 months, big US one next year)
talk to friends & family about the same
all the post-9/11 bs, waste & distractions
we are worse off than before,
even without iraq
they have gutted infrastructure
faith based
& privatized all they can
wrong goals
wrong priorities
we are on our own
act local
shit will happen again
the severity of preventable damage
is up to us
met with this
EXACTLY
I get the feeling people are already like "hey, let it go" and that scares me.
Cindy Sheehan, the brave woman who dared to challenge Mr. Bush at his summer home, has now sent her Camp Casey from in front of Bush's ranch to the outskirts of New Orleans. The Veterans for Peace have taken all the equipment and staff of volunteers and set up camp in Covington, Louisiana, on the shores of Lake Pontchartrain. They are accepting materials and personally distributing them to those in need and have been going into New Orleans on a daily basis.
This is where we come in. We need to ship supplies to them immediately. Today they need the following:
Bottled Water (and lots of it!)
baby diapers
baby wipes
baby formula
Pedialyte
baby items in general
powder
lotion
handy wipes
sterile gloves
electrolytes
LARGE cans of veggies
school supplies
paper plates
paper towels
toilet paper
and anything else to lift people's spirits.
You can ship these items by following the instructions on VFPRoadTrips.org. Or you can deliver them there in person. The roads to Covington are open. Their address is:
Volunteer Kitchen, Food Bank and Distribution Center
Pine View Middle School
1115 West 28th Avenue Covington, LA.
70434
Who can we write to? Get a paper trail going...
After talking with my Wife...fellow strutters have a plan (we had never discussed anything like this)if something like this should happen around you. You gotta try and be prepared. You can't really prepare for stuff like this but damn it can happen learn from this. If I couldn't find my son in something like this...I would not be stable enough to survive myself..
I'm speaking more on how the public will eventually be like "wow, that was too bad for them. Honey can you pass the butter?".
And everyone in the upper echelons of government will walk away unscathed.
Maybe I'm just being unrealistic. People have things like this happen to them everyday in this world with no reprocussions for the higher ups.
I don't know. I just want someone to pay for hurting these people.
If you need me i'll be in the depressed thread.
this post is slowly creeping down.
Not to make things worse, but look at the things that have been "forgotten"..... Bush lied his way into war, exposed a secret agent, had a gay escort admited to the press gallery to toss him softballs, made one choice after another that only benifits him, his oil buddies and his VP's old company. Has anyone forgotten this stuff? No......... just no one does anything about it and then vote for the fucker again.
Sorry, but humans are a sad pathetic lot that only care about themselves. The governments a failure and the people are to blame. No doubt those in power do as much as them can to make sure we can't do anything about it, but really if we had 80% + voter turn out the will of the people would be look at a lot more. All the outpooring for NO is great, but these "angels" are the same people that never take enough interest in the govenrment to begin with.
I would like to think this would be a wake up call, but 2 gulf wars and 9/11 didn't slap any smarts into anyone.
i have to commend the media SO FAR for what i've seen.
journalists are blasting away at chertoff, brownie, and all levels of the government. they are not shying away from the race factor. over the weekend i took a gander at fox news and saw geraldo rivera going fucking ballistic in the the superdome (did anyone else see that?), yelling at absent officials and screaming that there were desperate people trapped there and they needed help. another journalist on fox was doing the same thing outside the superbowl, condemning the govt for not providng survivors wiht means to leave AND for not providing enuf supplies.
tim russert on meet the press was more aggressive than i've ever seen him while interviewing chertoff.
paula zahn is cracking her whip at ignorant comments
there's multiple articles about this catastrophe on the front page of every newspaper every day.
i think the media learned its lesson from being so soft at the beginning of the war. this situation is huge, and SO FAR, they* have pretty much treated it appropriately.
*"they" of course does not include the extremist rightwing blowhards.
I agree, but Bush is just trumping everyone by not even answering questions. Plus, he's the one "looking into" what went wrong, just like he's "looking into" who exposed an American secret agent. This administration is a contained unit that is fully untouchable. The only thing that will change anything is people taking to the streets in protest and/or showing the bigest turn out ever at the polls.
Plus, look at Clinton! Dude is on the Bushes dicks! (Yes, Barbs too!!!!!!). I always thought Clinton was a putz, but this whole best buddies thing he has going with the Bush family shows that Democrats are just as good an being uncaring self serving money hungry bastards. Clinton actually stood there by Bush Jr and said not to point fingers!!!!!! Bush has undone anything good Clinton attempted and Clinton still stands by him. Goverment only serves itself.
this part is very dispairaging (sp?). but i believe the media has a lot of power in getting results. if they continue to do their job - keep attention where it should be, put pressure on officials to reveal the truth - this tragedy will stay in the forefronts of our minds for a long time to come. and i will strike down upon thee with greath strength and furious.... oh, sorry.
where/when? source?
That's because if he said anything he MIGHT hurt Hillary's chances... shit is ridiculous. Any politician somewhat in the limelight is afraid to say anything... All they think of ar repercussions in their career in stead of doing what's right.
Truth..I have no use for the post-Presidential Clinton. Hanging around with Bush Sr....WTF?!?
Couldn't find anything, but it was last Thursday/Fri when Bush first had a press conference. It was hotly debated on Left Right and Center that night.
Now Clinton is saying things should be investigated, but so is Bush.............
That's the irony that the debate on NPR was talking about. Now IS the time to say something and let the people know you aren't one of Bush's lackeys.
September 8, 2005
Democrats Step Up Criticism of White House
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and CARL HULSE
WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 - After 10 days of often uncertain responses to the Bush administration's management of Hurricane Katrina, Democratic leaders unleashed a burst of attacks on the White House on Wednesday, saying the wreckage in New Orleans raised doubts about the country's readiness to endure a terrorist attack and exposed ominous economic rifts that they said had worsened under five years of Republican rule.
From Democratic leaders on the floor of Congress, to a speech by the Democratic National Committee chairman at a meeting of the National Baptist Convention in Miami, to four morning television interviews by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrats offered what was shaping up as the most concerted attack that they had mounted on the White House in the five years of the Bush presidency.
"Oblivious. In denial. Dangerous," Representative Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California and the House minority leader, said of President Bush as she stood in front of a battery of uniformed police officers and firefighters in a Capitol Hill ceremony that had originally been scheduled to commemorate the fourth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.
"Americans should now harbor no illusions about the government's ability to respond effectively to disasters," she said. "Our vulnerabilities were laid bare."
Former Senator John Edwards, a likely candidate for president in 2008 and the Democratic Party's vice-presidential nominee in 2004, argued that the breakdown in New Orleans illustrated the central theme of his national campaigns: the nation has been severed into two Americas.
"The truth is the people who suffer the most from Katrina are the very people who suffer the most every day," Mr. Edwards said in a speech in North Carolina on Wednesday, according to a transcript provided by his office.
And Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, said in an interview: "It's a summary of all that this administration is not in touch with and has faked and ducked and bobbed over the past four years. What you see here is a harvest of four years of complete avoidance of real problem solving and real governance in favor of spin and ideology."
The display of unity was striking for a party that has been adrift since Mr. Kerry's defeat, struggling to reach consensus on issues like the war in Iraq and the Supreme Court nomination of Judge John G. Roberts Jr. The aggressiveness was evidence of what Republicans and Democrats said was the critical difference between the hurricane and the Sept. 11 attacks: Democrats appear able to question the administration's competence without opening themselves to attacks on their patriotism.
Not insignificantly, they have been emboldened by the fact that Republicans have also been critical of the White House over the past week, and by the perception that this normally politically astute and lethal administration has been weakened and seems at a loss as it struggles to manage two crises: the aftermath of the hurricane on the Gulf Coast and the political difficulties that it has created for Mr. Bush in Washington.
Their response may have allowed the Democrats to seize the issue that Republicans had hammered them with in the past two elections: national security. "Our government failed at one of the most basic functions it has - providing for the physical safety of our citizens," Senator Evan Bayh, an Indiana Democrat who is considering a run for president in 2008, declared in a speech on the Senate floor.
The Democrats' aggressiveness is not without its risks. The White House has been seeking to minimize the criticisms of Mr. Bush by portraying them as partisan, and some prominent Democrats had earlier avoided going after Mr. Bush on this issue, aware of what the Republicans were trying to accomplish.
At a contentious press briefing on Wednesday, the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, used the phrase "blame game" eight separate times as he tried to push back on criticism of the White House effort.
Representative J. Dennis Hastert, the House speaker, struck a similar theme, saying: "Some people are really very anxious to start pointing fingers and playing the blame game. I think we need to get our work done."
Mr. McClellan did not respond to e-mails seeking a response to the Democratic criticisms. But in a sign of the White House effort to move the dispute out of the Oval Office and try to cast the argument in partisan terms, the Republican National Committee chairman, Ken Mehlman, issued a statement assailing Democrats like Ms. Pelosi for "pointing fingers in a shameless effort to tear us apart."
Mrs. Clinton, in back-to-back television interviews Wednesday morning, angrily dismissed those kinds of attacks as a diversion from legitimate attempts by critics to point up shortcomings.
"That's what they always do; I've been living with that kind of rhetoric for the last four and a half years," Mrs. Clinton, Democrat of New York, said on the "Today" show. "It's time to end it. It's time to actually show this government can be competent."
The Democratic reaction took many forms, from urging campaign contributors to give money to hurricane victims, to proposing legislation to provide aid to stricken areas, as Mr. Kerry did, to criticizing the Bush administration for cuts it had made to the budget of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, as Mrs. Clinton did. In one less-noted gesture, Al Gore, the former vice president, chartered a private jet and flew doctors to storm-stricken areas.
The Democratic National Committee chairman, Howard Dean, said this could be a transitional moment for his party. "The Democratic Party needs a new direction," he said. "And I think it's become clear what the direction is: restore a moral purpose to America. Rebuild America's psyche."
"This is deeply disturbing to a lot of Americans, because it's more than thousands of people who get killed; it's about the destruction of the American community," Mr. Dean said. "The idea that somehow government didn't care until it had to for political reasons. It's appalling."
Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, said: "The powerful winds of this storm have torn away that mask that has hidden from our debates the many Americans who are left out and left behind."
For all the turmoil, Republican House leaders said Wednesday that they were confident it would not translate into a shift in power - if only, they argued, because there are not enough truly competitive seats next year to provide an opportunity for Democrats.
"Democrats throw stuff at the wall almost every week looking for something to stick," said Representative Thomas M. Reynolds of New York, head of the National Republican Congressional Committee. "This is something they have now chosen to politicize during a national disaster, versus let's get people taken care of and then move on to what we have learned from it."
Can we please get this engraved on a monument somewhere as well?
Yeah, the sad shit is they say this stuff now, but where have they been the past 5 or 6 years. It took thousands of people dying to make them grow some nuts.
Boo-yah.
This should be on the grave marker of the DNC. They have neutered themselves.