Good morning Soulstrut, I
wanted to come back after 17 years and bring this thread to a proper
end. Back then I asked what the drums were for “Feelin It” by the
Ultramagnetic MC’s. One of my absolute favorite beats on one of my
favorite albums. As always in this forum, an exciting discussion began.
Many sources were thrown into the ring. And then there was a discussion.
I thought all the drum suggestions from "Cold Sweat" to "Soul Pride"
were the wrong answer. A discussion began as usual here. Alle these guys
threw something into the forum.
There's this saying that the flap of a butterfly's wing can cause a hurricane. Here's what happened next and what happened afterward in the 17 years since.
Back than I didn't believe those guys with their suggested drum breaks. And they didn't believe me.
The discussion 17 years ago went so far that my explanations ranged
from the wrong sound and feel to sample chopping effects like stopped
releaseparts of a cymbal to the physical phenomenon of aliasing.
But no one could relate to what I was talking about.
That's why I
started producing an "anti-sample-proof" with the suggested breaks and
posted it here to proof my point and make it relateable to those legends. This ultimately led me to start doing the opposite.
Namely to produce and post “sample-proof-audios” that proof that a sample source is really the right source in such discussions.
This in turn led me a couple of years later to Timon “Bronco” Heinke. He
postet the source for the Moob Deep - Shook Ones Pt. II sample on The
Breaks.com forum, and a lot of people didnt believed him there, and here too.
"Naaahhh, I cant hear that......." And again a new discussion broke out.
Thats when I produced the "sample-proof-audio" for that Herbie Hancock
Jessica sample and posted it here on Soulstrut. Then someone ripped it
and put it on YouTube, and then DJ Jazz Jeff downloaded it and started
playing it at parties. Until Questlove stood at a party next to him and heard for the first
time in his life the original source of Shook Ones Pt. II. And he went
crazy.
DJ Premier did the same thing as Jazzy Jeff at live concerts and audiences around the world went nuts.
And DJ Nick Bike went one step further. He completely recreated my
"sample-proof-audio" and released it on his Chosen Spokes series on Vol.
4. He pressed it onto a 45 as a DJ tool.
Since the "sample-proof-audio"
only existed digitally, DJs could not use it in a 45 Only DJ set.
Love the level of nerdism.
By the way DJ Nick, you never sent me one of the 45s, not even when I
contacted you. Here's your chance to catch up, hit me on Instagram or
Facebook and send me a record dude. https://www.instagram.com/falkschacht/
I'm not here to front. I haven't posted here for a long time, and I
don't know who's posting here today. But I want to say thank you.
Thanks to Raj and people like him who, out of love for a cause, open
something like this forum and keep it alive. And thanks to the global
community of record and sample diggas. We nerds are always thought of as
strange. But without us, humanity would still be sitting in caves
today.
We found the exit.
And now we find samples and beats, simply because we feel like it. And
because of something as ridiculous as asking for a drum sample, I
started building this audio proofs, and it becomes such a global thing
and so many people can relate to it. That's the beauty of being a nerd
and the things we strange people do.
Thanks to all people who postet here the last 26 years
semi-r, i saw Kool Keith rip it in Toronto a few nights ago on his 40th anniversay tour. he's 61 and it was INCREDIBLE afaic - did most of the classics i was hoping to hear and went off the dome for long stetches.... just hilarious. at the end of the show, he was signing anything/everything (some guy got his wallet signed) and i surely could have asked him this question.
Hawkeye I’m still confused. Are you saying that Feelin’ it samples Poison? That still leaves the question of what Poison samples, right? Or did I misunderstand?
either way, it’s funny to see this bumped after 17 years.
Hawkeye I’m still confused. Are you saying that Feelin’ it samples Poison? That still leaves the question of what Poison samples, right? Or did I misunderstand?
either way, it’s funny to see this bumped after 17 years.
Hey Dizzy, long time no see :-)
Yes, I'm saying samples "Poison". Ced Gee tended to sometimes sample other rap records. For Ease Back he also sampled Public Enemys "Terminator X to the Edge of Panic" which was released 2-3 months earlyer than Critical Beatdown.
But you are right to ask, what ist the source from which the "Poison" break is sampled?
It is this.
So whats the difference? Its one hihat that Marley Marl put on top of the "Get Up, Get Into It, Get Involved" break that makes the difference proofable.
Comments
Ditto.
I'm kind of leaning toward the Mongo "Cold Sweat" break, re-pitched in the SP and also EQed/compressed in typical Paul C unfuckwitable style.
Isn't that from "Kitty with a Bent Frame" off the $ OST?
Peace,
Big Stacks from Kakalak
I beg your pardon ????
I'm shooked
I thought all the drum suggestions from "Cold Sweat" to "Soul Pride" were the wrong answer. A discussion began as usual here. Alle these guys threw something into the forum.
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The discussion 17 years ago went so far that my explanations ranged from the wrong sound and feel to sample chopping effects like stopped releaseparts of a cymbal to the physical phenomenon of aliasing.
Namely to produce and post “sample-proof-audios” that proof that a sample source is really the right source in such discussions.
This in turn led me a couple of years later to Timon “Bronco” Heinke. He postet the source for the Moob Deep - Shook Ones Pt. II sample on The Breaks.com forum, and a lot of people didnt believed him there, and here too.
Thats when I produced the "sample-proof-audio" for that Herbie Hancock Jessica sample and posted it here on Soulstrut. Then someone ripped it and put it on YouTube, and then DJ Jazz Jeff downloaded it and started playing it at parties. Until Questlove stood at a party next to him and heard for the first time in his life the original source of Shook Ones Pt. II. And he went crazy.
Love the level of nerdism.
By the way DJ Nick, you never sent me one of the 45s, not even when I contacted you. Here's your chance to catch up, hit me on Instagram or Facebook and send me a record dude. https://www.instagram.com/falkschacht/
I'm not here to front. I haven't posted here for a long time, and I don't know who's posting here today. But I want to say thank you.
Thanks to Raj and people like him who, out of love for a cause, open something like this forum and keep it alive. And thanks to the global community of record and sample diggas. We nerds are always thought of as strange. But without us, humanity would still be sitting in caves today.
We found the exit.
And now we find samples and beats, simply because we feel like it. And because of something as ridiculous as asking for a drum sample, I started building this audio proofs, and it becomes such a global thing and so many people can relate to it. That's the beauty of being a nerd and the things we strange people do.
Thanks to all people who postet here the last 26 years
P.S:
DJ Nick, send me the 45 dude!
semi-r, i saw Kool Keith rip it in Toronto a few nights ago on his 40th anniversay tour. he's 61 and it was INCREDIBLE afaic - did most of the classics i was hoping to hear and went off the dome for long stetches.... just hilarious. at the end of the show, he was signing anything/everything (some guy got his wallet signed) and i surely could have asked him this question.
either way, it’s funny to see this bumped after 17 years.
Hey Dizzy, long time no see :-)
Yes, I'm saying
samples "Poison". Ced Gee tended to sometimes sample other rap records. For Ease Back he also sampled Public Enemys "Terminator X to the Edge of Panic" which was released 2-3 months earlyer than Critical Beatdown.
But you are right to ask, what ist the source from which the "Poison" break is sampled?
It is this.
So whats the difference? Its one hihat that Marley Marl put on top of the "Get Up, Get Into It, Get Involved" break that makes the difference proofable.
Hope everythings well with you Dizzy !!!
Peace
Hawkeye