No Lance chatter?
skel
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How's it playing out Stateside?
Low level sanctimonious hand wringing over here.
B/w
B..b...but his charity helped many etc etc etc
Low level sanctimonious hand wringing over here.
B/w
B..b...but his charity helped many etc etc etc
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/sports/cycling/inquiry-into-kayle-leogrande-led-to-lance-armstrongs-eventual-fall.html?pagewanted=all
Aren't they good friends? That could be weird.
Getting to go on Oprah and reframe an entire careers-worth of systematic cheating, lying, intimidation and vilification as garden-variety remorse must be nice too. That's what doing a heckuva lot for chee-yarridee gets you, I suppose.
Still, at least he didn't handball it in against Mansfield, eh? Fucking one-bollocked bastard.
oprah is the world's greatest shill.
Charidee work = PR-dollars stashed away for such a rainy day. It's not enough to buy him any credibility now, or ever, with followers of the sport. Most, if not all, pro riders were at it, but with Lance, it's the magnitude of his "Denial machine" that so deforests the sport of gravitas like some workaholic loggers. F*cker deserves nothing. Set the game back years.
You could say that taking the money out of the sport will stop it, but It's a difficult one because even the amateurs racing just for "Fun" at the weekends are all doping.
sometimes I don't understand a word you're saying, but I always enjoy trying to decipher this stuff.
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prompts new terrace chant...
'Luid Suarez only got 1 ball, Skel left the S in the Albert Hall' plaese to complete...
That made me lol.
Apologies, I was out on the pidd.
It's track and field (a once every 4yrs sport) and cycling..........
To not give a shit about this is to condone cheating, for me.
It's meaningless and dull to you.
I am sure the people at LiveStrong who now feel like Bernie Madhoff evangelists think it's meaningful.
I am sure the other riders he defrauded out of making a living think it's meaningful.
I am sure the sponsors who paid him dollars think it's meaningful.
etc.
You sound like you don't own any lycra.
There was a mate of mine on Facebook last night (who may/may not have been pissed up/off his meds) ranting at me because I posted that "handball" joke - "I've followed cycling for 30 years/you try completing the TdF without the aid of drugs/he's done a lot for chee-yarridee/why don't you wait until the facts come out before you judge him", etc., etc. Most unedifying, but whatever.
People like him clearly care, and there must be plenty of others who've invested time and energy in the sport, both as spectators and participants, who are shocked to finally learn that Armstrong has feet of clay like a motherfucker. Moreover, if I was a US taxpayer I might also be inclined to care that Armstrong may have effectively defrauded me and millions of others out of something between $30-50m via his five-year TdF team sponsorship deal with the US Postal Service.
This whole Oprah thing is fucking despicable, and everyone involved needs to have a word with themselves. The desperate attempts at rehabilitation of one man with a massive ego trumps the credibility of an entire sport? Sponsorship for the women's sport has already collapsed in the wake of all this, and there are probably thousands of honest people whose jobs, careers and investments will be gone before much longer. But never mind all that - brave, heroic, plucky ol' Lance deserves a chance to repent and rebuild his career and his life, and if that comes as a result of him fucking over a few more people, well it's not going to make that big a difference now, is it?
B/w I suspect that this whole affair has also been influenced by some people's unwillingness to believe that a "survivor" can also still be a wankstain on the bedsheets of humanity. Doesn't fit with predefined TV movie tropes.
sorry, I don't have anything meaningful to add to this conversation. The man clearly had the best doctors and publicists money can buy. I guess the three-ring circus that was built around him has to keep going somehow.
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Karma is a motherfucker
Thirded.
Even in his autobiography he comes off as a complete dick and a textbook sociopath. He stomped on a lot of undeserving people on the way up and dragged down a whole lot more when he finally fell. I wouldn't underestimate the redemptive PR power of an Oprah confession but I can't see a way back for him.
what are you talking about?
So, what about Wiggins and Froome and the Sky team? Their dominating in the last TDF was some crazy shit as ridiculous, worse actually, than Armstrong and US Postal's ever was.
Doc McCoy is very much on point, I think. Now it's rumoured that cycling could be pulled from the Olympic Games over this. Even if It's going to go away again and it's mostly about not looking bad in public, this is a sport that's already been a scapegoat for a long time.
I don't think you follow the sport. Wiggo has one once, Lance defrauded the race seven (7) times. If you know anything about Wiggo, know this:
Whether you believe him is down to you. He didn't come from nowhere. They just had a good plan and executed it.
Whether you believe him is down to you. He didn't come from nowhere. They just had a good plan and executed it.
Wiggins is not using because he says he's not, ok.
He did come from nowhere in 2009. At that time he had been a pro for six years with no results. His progress in the mountain stages was explained with weight loss, but that fails to explain why he's also much better in the time trials after he lost weight. He was never really competitive in time trials when he weighed more but is always first/second in time trials now. That's hard to believe becaus when you lose weight you lose power.
The others from h??s team came from nowehere in the last two years. Froome did nothing in five years as a professional. He claims this has to do with a mysterious viral disease. Then he went to the Sky Team. The disease went away and he was second in the Vuelta. Then the disease came back and went away again so he could get second in the TDF. The two australians dudes on the team have had just as unlikely careers, and has never showed close to the strength in the mountains they did last year.
I mean, look at the mountains in the Tour last year: to see four riders from the same team tear up the race so like only four other dudes could stay with them was pretty unbelievable, and like I said actually never seen with Armstrong's teams. And there's so many other pointers beside the performances, the way the key riders prepared in a remote place where Dr. Ferrari is known to be at, the shady doctor that was fired.
Apparently it's no issue in UK media at all, I think part of that is because it's a country that until recently had no relationship with cycling and no prior doping scandals like most of continental Europe has had.
I'm not the biggest cycling fan by any stretch of the imagination but even with my outsider perspective I feel reasonably confident in saying that the British have been heavily into cycling for a long long time.
My point still stands that if rumours and accusations about Wiggins doping gathered any steam he'd be dumped on by the UK media within minutes. Not saying they would be fair or just about it, in fact it's much more likely that they'd take the standard guilty until proved innocent approach.