ENDTRODUCING OR PRIVATE PRESS?
yuichi
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Private press by a hair.
yuichi
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DEADRINGER or SINCE WE LAST SPOKE?
Endtroducing way over private press. It's got a whole different feeling and it works better as an album. Private press has some amazing, technically solid songs, but it's got an overall coatin of cheese. Sans vocals I'd rather take the unkle beats. Private press is kind of like a comp where endtroducing is a solid album.
I tried to listened to since we last spoke the other day and decide I didn't need to hear it ever again. That song with him singing is too much. Deadringer has some great songs on it, but the "this was produced on an mpc" thing kind of bugs me a bit. There are a few songs that are great, but I'm kind of at the point in life where it's like if I want to listen to songs that are supposed to sound like a real band then I'll just listen to a real band. I know those songs dint exist except in that cut and paste format, but th occasional technical difficulties and sloppy moments just take me out of the music. It's kind of like some dude texting next to me in the movie theater.
No question.
shit thread. it's pretty obvious.
I'll be one of the many who chooses Endtroducing. It's the most played CD in my car of all time (not that I own many CDs), and that's probably bc, as Controller_7 said, it was written to be listened to as an album, and it's a very solid album at that. I appreciate the experimentation DJ Shadow did on Private Press, especially with the vocals; Six Days blew me out of the water bc it was so unexpected compared to what I heard on Endtroducing, whereas Fixed Income seemed very similar vibe- and sound-wise to Endtroducing. I def feel like Shadow has been living his career in the shadow of his first full-length album which was deemed a magnum opus rather early on, not only for Shadow as an artist, but for instrumental hip-hop. Although I feel like his subsequent works are unfairly compared to Endtroducing, I also feel like having such a hugely successful, untouchable album under his belt gives DJ Shadow license to experiment however he wants in future sonic endeavors. I've really liked some of his post-Endtroducing output, and some of it left me scratching my head. Endtroducing seemed like the ultimate ode to digging and sampling, which any record collector can appreciate, and even the record cover photograph is just perfect. Overall, it was Endtroducing that got me interested in instrumental hip-hop, and I still really, really love that album.
Yuichi, they're both great albums, but I'm curious why you choose Private Press. Mind elaborating on your preference?
Private press was actually the first of the two Shadow albums I came across. Endtroducing is dope without question. Private press to me goes through a wider range of emotions...to me at least....and the layering of samples seems more intricate on the later album. The drums are harder on Endtroducing, and while it's pretty much set in stone as THE instrumental hip-hop album; Private press is the one that still intrigues me.
Track Listing;
1. DJ Shadow's Theme (Original Version)
2. The Source Is Serious Business
3. Make It Critical
4. Rock Lesson
5. Cult of Brutality
6. Do You Remember
7. Lesson 5 [!!!]
8. Reverse Beat
9. Closing Credits
PP has actually "aged" better. I tried listening to Endtro recently and it was hard to get through.
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I need to see Dark Days again. I remember seeing that and shitting myself when I realised they'd used Entroducing as the soundtrack, talk about a match made in heaven. One of my personal favourite albums at the time, and I still give it spins.
Whoa.
Is this any good in comparison to Lesson 4 etc ?
Hm, need to check those out. Some of the beats on the UNKLE album are great but ruined by the vocals.
Honestly, when I heard Endtroducing at first, it took me a while to appreciate the "dark" vibe. By the time Private Press came out I was something of a Shadow Stan and it was a bit like seeing Phantom Menace in the theatre - some cool moments, but an overall feeling of "Is this it?". I wish he would have done an album building on the strong tracks - Six Days, Giving up the ghost - and left the vocal tracks and electronica experiments for EPs or something. Endtroducing has such a solid album feel - PP just feels like a bunch of separate tracks thrown together.
THIS.
Someone send me a link to the psyence fiction instrumentals. I didn't see anything in a google search.
Preemptive strike plays really well too. Works great as an album. A little long in parts, but really solid.
Would you be so kind as to expound on this a bit? I'm really interested in your thoughts on this - particularly since whenever I make music on the MPC I'm always thinking of how a band would build the song (the drum samples are the drummer, the bass samples are the bass guy, etc.....). It would be nice to think outside that frame of reference, but I can't picture what that is.
Am I just over thinking it?
I think that Shadow's best work was around the Entroducing years. When all this came out I???d be bumping his MoWax singles/Preemptive Strike & Entroducing best bits on a 90 min cassette. I don???t know whether he felt it was time to move on to a different sound, or simply that the work involved in sculpting another Entroducing was beyond him, but Private Press doesn???t nearly sound as polished or as complete a ???vision??? as Entroducing. I think that his production techniques improved, but he never took enough time out to get a feel for what he was making. Would never make a mix tape based around PP, and rarely sit down to listen to it as a whole; it just doesn???t grab me in the same way, despite or because the palette has changed considerably.
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