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Who's Holding Down Your Town?

jinx74jinx74 2,287 Posts
edited August 2005 in Strut Central
im not talking about digging or dealing... but history and research. im curious to know whos out in your neighborhoods getting the history put together about a specific region... who was bringin the Funk in the early days? who were the Soul bands that were making some noise? those kinds of questions more or less...ill throw you some examples from what i know...dante : ohio (and the other 49 states)kevin : DC (VA/MD? and is our very own nightkrawler)john : arizona (hey, its not THAT big a state)dennis : bay area (40's-early 60s)me, josh davis, josh bea, dave : bay area (mid 60s-present)eothen, jason : indiana brian : georgiaim sure im missing some... but id be curious if there are cats in your areas doing the same...
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  • SoulhawkSoulhawk 3,197 Posts
    Detroit: 10,000 English guys...



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  • DrWuDrWu 4,021 Posts
    Dee Rock on the Emerald City tip, i believe.
  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    In North Brooklyn/Ridgewood, the history, research, keeping it correct is being done by the same people that have been keeping it real for years.

    They are the ones that get looked down on or ignored by all the wanna be hipster b-boys, who then appropriate the culture for their own benefit, diluting it, and generally missing the point. ie: you

    So anyway, max respect to the Dynasty Rockers, Breaking in Style & Breaks Kru who hold down Williamsburg, Bushwick and Ridgewood.
  • Big_ChanBig_Chan 5,088 Posts
    Seattle: Mr. Supreme, Dee Rock, Big Panama.
    This foll KNOWS the local music history. I remeber when Preme started doing research for this comp and he was very thorough. He put flyers all over town about old funk records and funk groups and was driving all over the hood talking to people everywhere. He was in barbershops, old radio stations, ice cream shops, bbq spots, night clubs, restaurants. We were in R&L BBQ one day and Preme put a flyer on the wall about buying old Seattle funk records. The waitress read the flyer and said "What you want those old records for?" Turns out her boyfriend was in one of the old school bands that ended up on the comp. She was mad cool and said "I'll have him call you." Seattle is a small town like that.







  • jinx74jinx74 2,287 Posts
    In North Brooklyn/Ridgewood, the history, research, keeping it correct is being done by the same people that have been keeping it real for years.

    They are the ones that get looked down on or ignored by all the wanna be hipster b-boys, who then appropriate the culture for their own benefit, diluting it, and generally missing the point. ie: you

    So anyway, max respect to the Dynasty Rockers, Breaking in Style & Breaks Kru who hold down Williamsburg, Bushwick and Ridgewood.

    ummm... im confused... did you post this in the wrong thread? i also dont understand the breaking/dancing/boogie crew references either.

    yeah d does have shit on lock up there... thanks.
  • TREWTREW 2,037 Posts
    In North Brooklyn/Ridgewood, the history, research, keeping it correct is being done by the same people that have been keeping it real for years.

    They are the ones that get looked down on or ignored by all the wanna be hipster b-boys, who then appropriate the culture for their own benefit, diluting it, and generally missing the point. ie: you

    So anyway, max respect to the Dynasty Rockers, Breaking in Style & Breaks Kru who hold down Williamsburg, Bushwick and Ridgewood.

    ummm... im confused... did you post this in the wrong thread? i also dont understand the breaking/dancing/boogie crew references either.

    yeah d does have shit on lock up there... thanks.

    whatchu know about this heat!! haha

    yo j holler re: b williams
  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    In North Brooklyn/Ridgewood, the history, research, keeping it correct is being done by the same people that have been keeping it real for years.

    They are the ones that get looked down on or ignored by all the wanna be hipster b-boys, who then appropriate the culture for their own benefit, diluting it, and generally missing the point. ie: you

    So anyway, max respect to the Dynasty Rockers, Breaking in Style & Breaks Kru who hold down Williamsburg, Bushwick and Ridgewood.

    ummm... im confused... did you post this in the wrong thread? i also dont understand the breaking/dancing/boogie crew references either.

    yeah d does have shit on lock up there... thanks.

    So Rock Steady Crew don't rep Bx history either? I'd say they do and then some.

    If you are talking in terms of liner notes produced, then Aaron Fuchs ownz you all. But we all know that's not keeping it correct and the dude is full of shit and don't give a shit about any history.
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    In North Brooklyn/Ridgewood, the history, research, keeping it correct is being done by the same people that have been keeping it real for years.

    They are the ones that get looked down on or ignored by all the wanna be hipster b-boys, who then appropriate the culture for their own benefit, diluting it, and generally missing the point. ie: you

    So anyway, max respect to the Dynasty Rockers, Breaking in Style & Breaks Kru who hold down Williamsburg, Bushwick and Ridgewood.

    ummm... im confused... did you post this in the wrong thread? i also dont understand the breaking/dancing/boogie crew references either.

    yeah d does have shit on lock up there... thanks.

    So Rock Steady Crew don't rep Bx history either? I'd say they do and then some.

    If you are talking in terms of liner notes produced, then Aaron Fuchs ownz you all. But we all know that's not keeping it correct and the dude is full of shit and don't give a shit about any history.

    I think Justin was referring to history beyond (just) hip-hop and breaks man... be easy

    I think there are very few, if any, dudes that are holding down a history of NYC music pre-hip-hop. Everyone in this town fancies themself a hip-hop scholar. Half of RSC don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

    At least people have the latin scene here pretty well-documented... what about the soul scene? Noone I know of. Of course, the NYC rock scene has been well-documented too.
  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    for NC its jmperlmu, but you already knew that j...

    there's also a couple older 45 dealers I'd rather not mention (cuz they give themselves too much credit already)
  • jinx74jinx74 2,287 Posts
    In North Brooklyn/Ridgewood, the history, research, keeping it correct is being done by the same people that have been keeping it real for years.

    They are the ones that get looked down on or ignored by all the wanna be hipster b-boys, who then appropriate the culture for their own benefit, diluting it, and generally missing the point. ie: you

    So anyway, max respect to the Dynasty Rockers, Breaking in Style & Breaks Kru who hold down Williamsburg, Bushwick and Ridgewood.

    ummm... im confused... did you post this in the wrong thread? i also dont understand the breaking/dancing/boogie crew references either.

    yeah d does have shit on lock up there... thanks.

    So Rock Steady Crew don't rep Bx history either? I'd say they do and then some.

    If you are talking in terms of liner notes produced, then Aaron Fuchs ownz you all. But we all know that's not keeping it correct and the dude is full of shit and don't give a shit about any history.

    I think Justin was referring to history beyond (just) hip-hop and breaks man... be easy

    I think there are very few, if any, dudes that are holding down a history of NYC music pre-hip-hop. Everyone in this town fancies themself a hip-hop scholar. Half of RSC don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

    At least people have the latin scene here pretty well-documented... what about the soul scene? Noone I know of. Of course, the NYC rock scene has been well-documented too.

    thanks jon... yeah while the breaks and hiphop scene may be well doc'd by the bboy crews of present and past i was referring to (mostly) soul and funk music and the history in certain regions around the country...

    and aaron, from my understanding, is more a businessman with partial knowledge from his music acquiring than actual research and interviews... however, this is just my understanding and can be completely 100% wrong...

    (lawyers: did i write all of that out so as to not implicate me in any wrongdoings against someones name and character?)
  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts


    I think Justin was referring to history beyond (just) hip-hop and breaks man... be easy

    I think there are very few, if any, dudes that are holding down a history of NYC music pre-hip-hop. Everyone in this town fancies themself a hip-hop scholar. Half of RSC don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

    I could see that from the references to funk and soul in the original post. I was just trying to push the envelope.

    Yes, the history here is written by people who once took a peek through a keyhole, so to speak.

    As for the RSC not knowing what they are talking about.... no comment. Although I'd say they have a vested interest in interpreting history a certain way.

    I've had a bunch of visitors from the UK, some of them considered authorities on Hip Hop, who don't know the first thing about North Brooklyn. First thing they want to know is which trains get them to Fordham Rd. I'd say the RSC have something to do with this.
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts


    I think Justin was referring to history beyond (just) hip-hop and breaks man... be easy

    I think there are very few, if any, dudes that are holding down a history of NYC music pre-hip-hop. Everyone in this town fancies themself a hip-hop scholar. Half of RSC don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

    I could see that from the references to funk and soul in the original post. I was just trying to push the envelope.

    Yes, the history here is written by people who once took a peek through a keyhole, so to speak.

    As for the RSC not knowing what they are talking about.... no comment. Although I'd say they have a vested interest in interpreting history a certain way.

    I've had a bunch of visitors from the UK, some of them considered authorities on Hip Hop, who don't know the first thing about North Brooklyn. First thing they want to know is which trains get them to Fordham Rd. I'd say the RSC have something to do with this.

    Well you know I said half.... there are lots of kids out there who just rep the crew, doesn't matter who was where or did what, it's all RSC if you ask them...

    So yeah, RSC has a big part in bigging up the BX but also sometimes unnecessarily... There could be better history of Brooklyn as an entire borough... is there some defining work being done on Decepticonz/Lo Lifes? The only documentation I have is the Mop Tops video....
  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts


    and aaron, from my understanding, is more a businessman with partial knowledge from his music acquiring than actual research and interviews... however, this is just my understanding and can be completely 100% wrong...

    (lawyers: did i write all of that out so as to not implicate me in any wrongdoings against someones name and character?)

    Aaron's been writing liner notes since the late 60s, I'm sure he knows about blues music, and I'm sure he doesn't give a shit about repping his city correctly.

    He does have a good amount of money in the bank though....
  • jinx74jinx74 2,287 Posts
    i asked about cats who rep their town or region in regards to soul and funk music.

    i wasnt trying to start hassling with you about breakdancers and their crew knowledge or aarons overall music knowledge.

    ...and we all have money in the bank cuz...
  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts


    Well you know I said half.... there are lots of kids out there who just rep the crew, doesn't matter who was where or did what, it's all RSC if you ask them...

    So yeah, RSC has a big part in bigging up the BX but also sometimes unnecessarily... There could be better history of Brooklyn as an entire borough... is there some defining work being done on Decepticonz/Lo Lifes? The only documentation I have is the Mop Tops video....

    JP - understood. You are Mr. Fair and Balanced round here. Perhaps you need to make that docu?

    I'd love to see something that ties in all the neighborhoods from E. NY/Crown Heights, to Ridgewood (which is of course in Queens) and beyond, like L.I.
  • Birdman9Birdman9 5,417 Posts
    Nitekrawler is currently compiling info in DC, and of course Secret Chimp has the Mingering Mike case under wraps.
  • p_gunnp_gunn 2,284 Posts
    i asked about cats who rep their town or region in regards to soul and funk music.


    for nyc, that is a good question... who's got all the fatback band b-team projects? "daddy love" by gi gi... winley records... perception... sceptor...
  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    i asked about cats who rep their town or region in regards to soul and funk music.

    i wasnt trying to start hassling with you about breakdancers and their crew knowledge.

    I wasn't trying to draw hassle from you... I just think that it's about much more than crew history/knowledge round these parts and that you can't really separate the music from the kulcha. Apart from the b-crews and the City Parks Foundation (that's a semi-joke), who else is repping the legacy of BT Express, Crown Heights Affair, Mandrill, Brass Construction? etc etc. Not many people.


  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    i asked about cats who rep their town or region in regards to soul and funk music.


    for nyc, that is a good question... who's got all the fatback band b-team projects? "daddy love" by gi gi... winley records... perception... sceptor...

    I think Winley and Tuff City might be in the same chapter: Essential Cunts

    GiGi? Did you just find a cheapie?!

    Does anyone have a discog or further info on MINT RECORDS?
  • p_gunnp_gunn 2,284 Posts
    Apart from the b-crews and the City Parks Foundation (that's a semi-joke), who else is repping the legacy of BT Express, Crown Heights Affair, Mandrill, Brass Construction? etc etc. Not many people.



    interesting. i mean, that's what i like about NYC: you can play "bra" by cymande or "do it til your satisfied" and have people who weren't even alive then digging it (and i don't mean hipsters), b/c it's been passed down thru nyc hip hop/block party culture... all of those records are on those "dance classics" white labels you can buy at beat street/rock n soul... i think the thing is, there hasn't been some geeky dude putting out a compilation of the stuff and letting the record nerd public in on "re-discovering" these lost sounds...

  • Otis_FunkmeyerOtis_Funkmeyer 1,321 Posts
    i asked about cats who rep their town or region in regards to soul and funk music.


    for nyc, that is a good question... who's got all the fatback band b-team projects? "daddy love" by gi gi... winley records... perception... sceptor...

    David Griffiths has been doing some research of the 60s-70 Bed-Stuy soul scene over the past few years.
  • p_gunnp_gunn 2,284 Posts
    i asked about cats who rep their town or region in regards to soul and funk music.


    for nyc, that is a good question... who's got all the fatback band b-team projects? "daddy love" by gi gi... winley records... perception... sceptor...

    David Griffiths has been doing some research of the 60s-70 Bed-Stuy soul scene over the past few years.

    on a block by block basis, i hear...

    yeah, i've def. heard him play some obscure nyc soul stuff...

    ( i traded my "daddy love" from s**lcr*ck*r (did i do that right?) a year ago... i believe for "save me" by nina simone... still got more of those!)
  • BamboucheBambouche 1,484 Posts
    me, josh davis, josh bea, dave : bay area (mid 60s-present)

    Justin,
    What's the update on All Bay? I'm excited to read the fruits of the research you and Josh have done.
  • grandpa_shiggrandpa_shig 5,799 Posts
    me, josh davis, josh bea, dave : bay area (mid 60s-present)

    Justin,
    What's the update on All Bay? I'm excited to read see[/b] the fruits of the research you and Josh have done.

  • peacefulrotationpeacefulrotation 3,481 Posts
    Check for the first two ALL BAY PRO. heaters on 45, now out on Disjoint records. Researched and overseen by none other than JINXLES. These are serious.
  • The_Hook_UpThe_Hook_Up 8,182 Posts
    In Memphis its this dude I only know as J-Dogg, I dont know his real name. He works at selecto-hits, dude knows almost too much. Shit if you just ask him a simple question like "what label did this come out on originally?" you will hear something along these lines "Well, that was recorded on a rainy night in 1967, It had been raining for 12 days straight and "poppa", what his friends called him, had to drain the basement that had flooded, so he was late to the session..." about 15 minutes into the monolouge he will get to the information you origianlly asked for.
  • grandpa_shiggrandpa_shig 5,799 Posts
    Check for the first two ALL BAY PRO. heaters on 45, now out on Disjoint records. Researched and overseen by none other than JINXLES. These are serious.

    yay!

    and if you havent seen this yet...

    http://www.beout.com/superhyphie.wmv
  • MorseCodeMorseCode 1,516 Posts
    dave : bay area (mid 60s-present)



    Mr. Kennedy?







    J, that shit still has me laughing dude.



    Don't forget the hommie Chuck Huss!
  • MorseCodeMorseCode 1,516 Posts
    Check for the first two ALL BAY PRO. heaters on 45, now out on Disjoint records. Researched and overseen by none other than JINXLES. These are serious.

    Check for the first two ALL BAY PRO. heaters on 45, now out on Disjoint records. Researched and overseen by none other than JINXLES. These are serious.

    Check for the first two ALL BAY PRO. heaters on 45, now out on Disjoint records. Researched and overseen by none other than JINXLES. These are serious.

    YES

  • TheMackTheMack 3,414 Posts
    Pittsburgh=Me.

    naw for real, i dont think any heads care about pittsburgh's vast musical history enough to do research and dig up info on old heads
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