Health-Care Reform Fallout

fishmongerfunkfishmongerfunk 4,154 Posts
edited March 2010 in Strut Central
is it any surprise that when elected politician's are saying things like "baby killer" and "Armageddon" they get a reaction like this?
Lawmakers concerned as health-care overhaul foes resort to violenceBy Philip RuckerWashington Post Staff WriterThursday, March 25, 2010; A01The pitched battle over health care has unleashed a rash of vandalism and attacks directed at politicians, with at least 10 House Democrats reporting death threats or incidents of harassment or vandalism at their district offices over the past week.More than 100 House Democrats met behind closed doors Wednesday afternoon with representatives of the FBI and the U.S. Capitol Police. The lawmakers voiced what one senior aide who was present described as "serious concern" about their security in Washington and in their home districts when they return this weekend for the spring recess.Usually only the congressional leadership has regular personal protection from the Capitol Police. But at least 10 lawmakers have been offered increased protection by law enforcement agencies, said House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.).Asked whether members are endangered, Hoyer said: "Yes. [There are] very serious incidents that have occurred."Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Terrance Gainer e-mailed senators and staffers Wednesday telling them to "remain vigilant." Gainer, a former Capitol Police chief, said in an interview that the warning was meant to "assuage people's fears."But House Democrats say they are unnerved."Our democracy is about participation," Hoyer said. "Our democracy is about differing and debate and animated debate and passionate debate. But it is not about violence."The vandalism began last weekend, when the House debated the health bill for final passage. In Wichita, someone broke the window of a county Democratic Party headquarters with a brick that had "No to Obama" and "No ObamyCare" written on it. Lyndsey Stauble, executive director of the Sedgwick County Democratic Party, said she went to work Saturday morning to clean up the shattered glass around her desk."It was surprising and alarming to know that people, when they have so many opportunities for expression in this country, that somebody would resort to a brick," Stauble said.Over the next 24 hours, thrown bricks shattered the glass doors and windows of party headquarters from Rochester, N.Y., to Cincinnati. A propane gas line at the Charlottesville home of Rep. Tom Perriello's brother was severed Tuesday after a self-identified "tea party" activist posted what he believed to be the Virginia Democrat's address on a Web site and urged opponents to "drop by" to convey their opposition to his yes vote on the health bill.A brick was thrown through the Niagara Falls district office of Rep. Louise M. Slaughter (D-N.Y.), who also received a threatening voice-mail message referring to sniper attacks. The front door to the Tucson district office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) was shattered. And Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), whose last-minute negotiations to bar federal funding of abortion helped secure the bill's passage, received a fax with a drawing of a noose and an anonymous voice mail saying: "You're dead. We know where you live. We'll get you."In Washington on Wednesday, the attacks were roundly condemned, with some congressional leaders wondering whether the long fight over health care had unleashed an ugly dimension to the modern political discourse."If we fail to learn the lessons of our history, we are bound to repeat them," said House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.). "I think all of us learned some great lessons from the '60s and '70s, and there are some lessons that none of us want to repeat, but one thing we know, as Steny Hoyer said, 'Silence is consent.' "House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) called the incidents unacceptable."I know many Americans are angry over this health-care bill, and that Washington Democrats just aren't listening," Boehner told Fox News Channel. "But, as I've said, violence and threats are unacceptable. That's not the American way. We need to take that anger and channel it into positive change. Call your congressman, go out and register people to vote, go volunteer on a political campaign, make your voice heard -- but let's do it the right way."Some Democrats, sensing a political opportunity, suggested that Republicans were fanning the anger with their fiery comments in recent days. Several GOP lawmakers stood on the speaker's balcony at the Capitol overlooking a tea party protest last weekend holding up signs that read "Kill the Bill." Below them, protesters were yelling "No! No! No!" and, referring to the House speaker, "Nancy, you will burn in hell for this!"One of the more threatening incidents involved Perriello, whose older brother, Bo, came home Tuesday and smelled gas in the house. He discovered that a line to a propane tank on a gas grill in his yard had been cut. A threatening letter was also sent to the home that day. Federal and local authorities were investigating the incident."While it is too early to say anything definitive regarding political motivations behind this act, it's never too early for political leaders to condemn threats of violence, particularly as threats to other members of Congress and their children escalate,'' Perriello, a freshman who faces a tough reelection fight, said in a statement. "And so I ask every member of House and Senate leadership to state unequivocally tonight that it is never OK to harm or threaten elected officials and their families with anything more than political retribution. Here in America, we settle our political differences at the ballot box."Virginia Gov. Robert F. McDonnell and Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II, both Republicans, condemned the vandalism and threats. Cuccinelli, who has become a conservative folk hero for filing suit over the health-care law, said that the severing of the gas line was "absolutely, totally unacceptable" and that posting Perriello's address online was "way over the line."Some of the vandalism appears to have been instigated by an Alabama blogger, Mike Vanderboegh, who encouraged his readers to throw bricks at the windows of Democratic headquarters across the country. Vanderboegh, a former leader of the Alabama Constitutional Militia who is headlining an open-carry gun rally in Northern Virginia next month, issued a call to the modern "Sons of Liberty" on his libertarian political blog to break windows nationwide to display opposition to health-care reform.A vandal threw a brick into the glass doors at the Monroe County Democratic Committee's headquarters in Rochester overnight Saturday, attaching a note that quoted Barry Goldwater: "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice."Vanderboegh did not respond to questions Wednesday from The Washington Post, but he took credit for the incident in an interview earlier this week with the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle. "I guess that guy's one of ours," he told the newspaper. "Glad to know people read my blog."Staff writers Ann Gerhart, Paul Kane, Anita Kumar and Rosalind S. Helderman and research editor Alice Crites contributed to this report.
and this is what we call being an apologist:p
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  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    Bring it. Especially that anti-government* douchetard down in AL.












    *who lives off a social security disability check

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    Suddenly, I'm hearing Democrat types using the term "unpatriotic".


  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,475 Posts
    and this is what we call being an apologist:


    And this is what we call being a lying pussy:



    I call BS on all such stories. We know the stories of racial epithets at the Capitol on Sunday were false, and its my contention that all the more recent accusations are also false.

    Yes, this includes Stupak?s voice mail ? unless you can provide forensic evidence linking someone to it who has voted Republican in every election since 2004, I won?t believe its an actual conservative/Republican/TEA Party member doing it. Absent such proof, my presumption will be that its either a flat-out lunatic or, more likely, a false flag operation?such as has already happened many times since the Democrats first started to tremble in fear of the TEA Party.

    Furthermore, we know from experience ? and Matt from personal experience with union thugs ? that the violence comes from the left. Unable to win an argument and knowing that if patriots get the truth out, they?re cooked, it is natural for the left to try either intimidation or slander to derail the opposition. They?ve tried intimidation, and it didn?t work ? now they?re trying slander.

    We?re on to your game, liberals, and we?re not having any of it.

    All that stuff that has happened? Totally didn't happen. And if it did happen, it was liberals pretending to be wingers, so hahahaha, suck it, stoopid LIEbruls!

  • Birdman9Birdman9 5,417 Posts
    Bring it. Especially that anti-government* douchetard down in AL.


    *who lives off a social security disability check

    I concur. Let these morons wind themselves up and wear themselves out. Once most Americans realize these new laws just make it harder for Health Insurers to do shady shit like drop you when you get sick (and do not add up to a nanny state or huge tax increases), these Tea Bag idiots will look like just another bunch of Anti-abortion wingnuts.


  • bigchalzbigchalz 220 Posts
    Old boehner is exactly right, violence is not the American way. just ask a Native American or a Black person. Or anyone who lived in Vietnam, Cambodia, Guatemala, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Panama, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan,etc. it's not like we train brutal dictators here at a place that was called the school of the americas (they have a new name now, something about security "cooperation").

  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,905 Posts



    "Get off our property!"



  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    and this is what we call being an apologist:


    And this is what we call being a lying pussy:



    I call BS on all such stories. We know the stories of racial epithets at the Capitol on Sunday were false, and its my contention that all the more recent accusations are also false.

    Yes, this includes Stupak?s voice mail ? unless you can provide forensic evidence linking someone to it who has voted Republican in every election since 2004, I won?t believe its an actual conservative/Republican/TEA Party member doing it. Absent such proof, my presumption will be that its either a flat-out lunatic or, more likely, a false flag operation?such as has already happened many times since the Democrats first started to tremble in fear of the TEA Party.

    Furthermore, we know from experience ? and Matt from personal experience with union thugs ? that the violence comes from the left. Unable to win an argument and knowing that if patriots get the truth out, they?re cooked, it is natural for the left to try either intimidation or slander to derail the opposition. They?ve tried intimidation, and it didn?t work ? now they?re trying slander.

    We?re on to your game, liberals, and we?re not having any of it.

    All that stuff that has happened? Totally didn't happen. And if it did happen, it was liberals pretending to be wingers, so hahahaha, suck it, stoopid LIEbruls!

    Silly bunch of shit. It was hard to fake the video of Emanuel Cleaver being spat on or the dude with Parkinson's being taunted. If there is, in fact, a conspiracy by an outside group to make the Republican Tea Baggers look like violent hysterical fools, it's coming from the Larouche people--not Democrats.

  • CousinLarryCousinLarry 4,618 Posts
    God I hate John Boner

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    I won't be violent as long as my rates don't go up sharply.

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    I won't be violent as long as my rates don't go up sharply.

  • nzshadownzshadow 5,526 Posts
    So let me get this straight:

    Republicans last run gave us War, Defecit, foreign policy disasters, Enron, Halliburton, Blackwater, Financial crisis etc...

    the protests against the war and the Bush admin. were some of the biggest the world has ever seen and were remarkably peacefull.

    bush was quoted as saying "i dont pay attention to focus groups"

    The Democrats want to provide healthcare for the citizens of the country they govern and the Right wing is already getting violent.

    THE F*ck IS WRONG WITH YOUR COUNTRY?

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    So let me get this straight:

    Republicans last run gave us War, Defecit, foreign policy disasters, Enron, Halliburton, Blackwater, Financial crisis etc...

    the protests against the war and the Bush admin. were some of the biggest the world has ever seen and were remarkably peacefull.

    bush was quoted as saying "i dont pay attention to focus groups"

    The Democrats want to provide healthcare for the citizens of the country they govern and the Right wing is already getting violent.

    THE F*ck IS WRONG WITH YOUR COUNTRY?

    This stupid game of good cop-bad cop is the answer, among others.

  • nzshadownzshadow 5,526 Posts
    not worth it.

  • Almost a quarter of Republicans think Obama 'may be the Antichrist' as 14 states sue over healthcare reforms

    By David Gardner


    Americans who suggest Barack Obama should rot in hell are apparently deadly serious.

    Nearly a quarter of Republicans believe the Democrat president 'may be the Antichrist', according to a survey.

    An even greater number compared him to Hitler.

    Mr Obama was jubilant this week after securing his ?626billion healthcare reform plan.

    But his triumph seems only to have inflamed his critics among the evangelical Christians from America's heartland who kept George Bush in power for eight years and have demonised his successor.

    More than half of the Republicans quizzed by Harris Poll, 57 per cent, believed the president was secretly Muslim, something he has consistently denied.

    And 67 per cent of Republicans who responded believed Obama was a socialist, despite his central leanings.

    The startling results came as lawyers representing 14 U.S. states filed lawsuits yesterday challenging an overhaul of the country's $2.5trillion healthcare system, minutes after President Barack Obama signed the landmark legislation.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnew...l#ixzz0jEdexFBe

  • phatmoneysackphatmoneysack Melbourne 1,124 Posts
    From the comments section


    1. Changed his name inexplicably to Barak Hussein Obama;
    2. Full birth records are sealed and over $1M spent to prevent disclosure;
    3. College records likewise under lock and key, so no way of knowing if he truly attended Occidental, Harvard, or whereever else he wants us to believe he attended;
    4. Travelled to Pakistan during a time when Americans were not permitted to do so, subjecting him to relinquishment of passport rights;
    5. Claims to be a "Christian" but will never say exactly what makes him one;
    6. Attended a white-hating, angry, anti-American church;
    7. Studied Islam during his formative years;
    8. Bows to Arab (Islamic) royalty;
    9. Can recite Islamic prayers perfectly;
    10. Kneels in prayer in a Mosque;
    11. He lies. Frequently.
    12. Came to power in the US Senate by eliminating his opponents rather than beating them at the polls;
    13. Surrounds himself with similar ethically-challenged people and appoints immoral degenerates.

  • Big_StacksBig_Stacks "I don't worry about hittin' power, cause I don't give 'em nuttin' to hit." 4,670 Posts
    Hey,

    My goodness, some Americans are truly dumb, easily-led, blind sheep. Also, I thought the GOP was about family values, so what's with the violence? They're also anti-gay too.


    David "He really is my campaign manager" Dreier


    Mark "I love male pages" Foley


    Larry "Wide Stance" Craig


    Jim "I'm not gay I have a wife" McCrery


    Charlie "I walk around with hot babes so I'm not gay" Crist.

    What a bunch of lying, f*cking hypocrites!!!

    Peace,

    Big Stacks from Kakalak

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    So let me get this straight:

    Republicans last run gave us War, Defecit, foreign policy disasters, Enron, Halliburton, Blackwater, Financial crisis etc...

    the protests against the war and the Bush admin. were some of the biggest the world has ever seen and were remarkably peacefull.

    bush was quoted as saying "i dont pay attention to focus groups"

    The Democrats want to provide healthcare for the citizens of the country they govern and the Right wing is already getting violent.

    THE F*ck IS WRONG WITH YOUR COUNTRY?

    The South, basically.

    They want their slaves back.

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    So let me get this straight:

    Republicans last run gave us War, Defecit, foreign policy disasters, Enron, Halliburton, Blackwater, Financial crisis etc...

    the protests against the war and the Bush admin. were some of the biggest the world has ever seen and were remarkably peacefull.

    bush was quoted as saying "i dont pay attention to focus groups"

    The Democrats want to provide healthcare for the citizens of the country they govern and the Right wing is already getting violent.

    THE F*ck IS WRONG WITH YOUR COUNTRY?

    The South, basically.

    They want their slaves back.

    WHAT-THE-FUSK-EVER.

    Do you sanctimonious fuskers even bother to think anymore? Or do you just pick up on who you're supposed to hate the same way the people you hate do...from stereotypes gleemed from watching 12-second clips on your boob tube?

    Yes, America is still filled with racist dumbshits. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. But are they exclusive to the South? Or the Republican Party for that matter?

    HARDLY!

    Plus, if y'all dislike the South so much, I have some sage advice for you: STOP RELOCATING DOWN HERE IN MASS!

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    So let me get this straight:

    Republicans last run gave us War, Defecit, foreign policy disasters, Enron, Halliburton, Blackwater, Financial crisis etc...

    the protests against the war and the Bush admin. were some of the biggest the world has ever seen and were remarkably peacefull.

    bush was quoted as saying "i dont pay attention to focus groups"

    The Democrats want to provide healthcare for the citizens of the country they govern and the Right wing is already getting violent.

    THE F*ck IS WRONG WITH YOUR COUNTRY?

    The South, basically.

    They want their slaves back.

    Where do you live?

  • DuderonomyDuderonomy Haut de la Garenne 7,794 Posts
    E[/b]N MASSE[/b]!

    fixed.

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    I know I live in an extremely desirable Southern city (Austin)...but seriously, so many out-of-staters have moved here over the past dozen years...that the game is genuinely being fusked up right before our eyes. One of the big reasons why Austin is desirable to begin with is that it's unique, unlike the hum-drum cookie-cutter places where these newbies are coming from. Yet, that imported hum-drum is really threatening to cancel out the relaxed feel of this oasis of liberated thought and lifestyle. Honestly, I don't mind the influx of faces all that much...it's rather inevitable. But assholes, take the time to recognize your new surroundings enough to respect its design before you turn here into the shithole you came from. We categorically aren't plastic moderates here who watch network television for cues on how to be. Keep Austin Weird is definitely cornball as a slogan, but at the same time it's more than just a t-shirt. And fusk, Houston and Dallas are only hours away...i.e. just friggin move there already, where you belong amongst strip malls and lazy politics, instead of infecting us here with your incessant boring.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts


  • CousinLarryCousinLarry 4,618 Posts
    This isn't about Texas or the South in general. These wingnuts are everywhere.



  • I caught this flipping channels in a hotel last night; supremely uncomfortable.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts


    I caught this flipping channels in a hotel last night; supremely uncomfortable.

    You know you're pretty sad when Steve Douchey has bring you back to reality.

  • DrWuDrWu 4,021 Posts
    On top of all that the GOPers are trying to lie their way into a pity party, saying that they too are receiving threats. For example, Eric Cantor had a press conference yesterday at which he claimed that his office had been shot at when in fact the police in Richmond are unconvinced.

    Eric Cantor, lying sack of shit

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    On top of all that the GOPers are trying to lie their way into a pity party, saying that they too are receiving threats. For example, Eric Cantor had a press conference yesterday at which he claimed that his office had been shot at when in fact the police in Richmond are unconvinced.

    Eric Cantor, lying sack of shit

    It wasn't me.

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Yeah honestly there's plenty of these nut jobs in Upstate NY, out in NJ, shit... even outer borough NYC and Long Island.

    Texas is still fucked though.
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