Cassettes still selling?

LokoOneLokoOne 1,823 Posts
edited May 2009 in Strut Central
Intresting article I just read. Ive seen dudes selling old tapes on ebay, didnt know dudes where still releasing shit on them. We're still clinging to the cassette (from smh.com.au)Darren Levin May 7, 2009Lovers of retro and modern music believe there's life in the medium yet, Darren Levin reports.PUTTING an album out on cassette in 2009 might be tantamount to releasing a video straight to VHS, but Melbourne musician Adam Camilleri insists there's life in the medium yet.In an age of iPods and MP3s, Camilleri's band, Electric Jellyfish, released its latest EP, The Woods, exclusively on cassette. It sold out within a few months."Many people were excited by the music being on tape," he says. "There were certainly people who were confused by it being on tape, too. They'd tell us they don't even own a boombox any more."Accounting for more than 50per cent of global music sales in the mid-1980s, cassettes were quickly cast aside with the advent of CDs. But they've gradually been popping up on merchandise tables at local gigs and in independent record stores such as Missing Link in Melbourne's CBD.Part of the reason is cost. Arun of 100 cassettes costs about $2 per unit (about the same price as a CD), while 100 30-centimetre vinyl records will set you back just over $5 each."For underground music, vinyl will always be the preferred medium, but cassette is definitely a more affordable analog format," Camilleri says.Mark Groves, from Melbourne noise outfit True Radical Miracle, is another tape devotee. He considers the medium a true symbol of the underground music scene."(Cassettes) passed into redundancy within pop culture and the music industry at large over a decade ago, but have remained in use by all kinds of 'buried' networks," he says, pointing to their popularity in the underground noise and metal scenes.While cassettes are often derided for their audio deficiencies - they are prone to dropouts and hiss - Groves considers these perceived flaws part of their charm. The band's debut EP, Taste the Rainbow, was re-released on CD after the cassette run sold out."People were pleased they were able to play the release in the cassette decks of their old-model cars," Groves says.Similarly, Melbourne label Mistletone decided to put out Kes Band's self-titled album on cassette because frontman Karl Scullin wanted to hear it in his car."He (Scullin) drives around in a beautiful old Volvo listening to car tapes all the time, and he really liked the idea of having his music on cassette," label manager Sophie Best says. "To be honest, we haven't sold that many. But they look awesome on the merch desk."Still, Best hasn't ruled out more cassette releases in the future. She says the format has broad nostalgic appeal."Apparently, cassette Walkmans are in with the hipsters, and I think oldies will always have a few tapes rattling around in their glovebox."As director of Dex Audio, believed to be Australia's only cassette manufacturing plant, Greg Williams has witnessed the cassette's rise and fall first hand. Dex started manufacturing tapes in 1982, but it wasn't until the mid-to-late '80s that things really started to take off."By 1987, we were doing around 400,000 a month. I don't know where they all went, but people were just chewing them up," Williams says.Now, cassettes are only a small part of Williams' business, which focuses on CD and DVD replication and duplication."What used to take up the factory now takes up the corner," he says.There's still the occasional request for cassettes, Williams says, mainly from bands eager to recapture their youth, but also from businesses that prefer the medium for dictation.Ironically, while the cassette's death knell may be sounding, Williams says its audio kinks have been ironed out."We reinvested and replaced the reel-to-reel system with a digital system. It makes quite a difference ... You get the character of tape without all the noise and defects."And, with the release of the Alesis TapeLink ($US299, $A410 RRP) in the US in January, there might be hope for those boxes of old mix tapes just yet. Essentially a cassette player with a USB plug, the product enables users to transfer their collection onto their PC or Mac. It even comes with audio cleaning and noise-reduction software.What happened in AustraliaWHILE ARIA doesn't keep a record of cassette figures, chart historian David Kent believes they were first available in Australia as early as the late 1960s."Only small quantities of imports were available at the time," he recalls. "Local manufacture began in the early 1970s, and by 1972 most big sellers (or potential big sellers) were released on LP and cassette."The cassette, which cost about the same as vinyl upon its release, became the format of choice for Australians because of its portability, and cassette players rapidly became a fixture in new cars. With the emergence of the CD in the 1990s, however, its days were numbered."It didn't take long for CDs to take the place of cassettes," Kent explains. "They offered all the portability benefits, the only negative being the cost in the early days."
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  • kicks79kicks79 1,334 Posts
    nice article

  • GrafwritahGrafwritah 4,184 Posts
    That was an interesting article indeed.


    That being said, tapes are crap.

    This coming from someone who still has tapes in his car.

    The only benefit to tapes is I can beat the shit out of them much more than I can a CD floating around on the floor of my car.




    Let us recall crinkled, folded-over cassette tape spilling out of the case that must be manually wound back with a pencil, only to either find that it is so crinkled a 5 second section never plays right again, OR the tape was flipped over somewhere, you didn't notice, wound it back, and you have whole songs that play muffled, in reverse.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    Someone who sells 5 cassettes a month != evidence that cassettes are still "selling"

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    Cassettes are the coolest thing going right now with tha_kids,
    no matter how much of a "vinyl revival" there may be.

    All the hip kids I work with that are in bands are all about
    recording to cassette, and at my radio station we keep getting
    CD-R's from bands to play on the radio where the actual "official"
    release is only available on cassette.

  • LokoOneLokoOne 1,823 Posts
    Someone who sells 5 cassettes a month != evidence that cassettes are still "selling"

    Hence the question mark in my subject heading...

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts


    Im not gettin rid of none of my tapes.

  • SoulhawkSoulhawk 3,197 Posts
    I need to get some more tapes for my van - 3 too shorts,
    'ironman', charley patton & brian eno are not enough

    comptons most wanted, 'meat is murder' & prince 1999 I had to banish as not being worth repeast listens

  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
    blank tapes are okay, but prerecorded tapes = a big HALE NO

    there was a period in the '80s, before everybody switched over to CD's, when cassettes threatened to take over the market from vinyl. i'm glad it didn't!

    tapes are okay as a secondary thing, but as a vinyl/CD substitute?? my God, any format where you can't choose the song you want to listen to is just flat-out WEAK. "wow, I wanna hear the third song on side two!" - and then you gotta fast forward or back up to the song in question. no, the cassette is not something i can feel nostalgic about.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    May I suggest Above the Law, "Livin' Like Husters?"

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    blank tapes are okay, but prerecorded tapes = a big HALE NO


  • HorseleechHorseleech 3,830 Posts
    Academy recently installed what I believe is the only cassette listening station in NYC.

    The new mandatory packaging concept is to put duct tape on the case and write the title on that.

  • LokoOneLokoOne 1,823 Posts
    blank tapes are okay, but prerecorded tapes = a big HALE NO

    there was a period in the '80s, before everybody switched over to CD's, when cassettes threatened to take over the market from vinyl. i'm glad it didn't!

    tapes are okay as a secondary thing, but as a vinyl/CD substitute?? my God, any format where you can't choose the song you want to listen to is just flat-out WEAK. "wow, I wanna hear the third song on side two!" - and then you gotta fast forward or back up to the song in question. no, the cassette is not something i can feel nostalgic about.

    I was thinking about this the other day. how not being able to select songs on tapes created a different listening experience, almost a capitive audience, where you 'had' to listen to songs and some times those songs you didnt first like grew on you, where as with cd/mp3 its quite easy to miss alot of music due to being so easy to skip thru. (not sure if Im expressing this too well...)

    But even the expereicne of listening to a WHOLE album start to finish over and over (like Death Certificate...which didnt leave my walkman for 6 mth straight). I havent done that in ages, occasionally when you only have the same cd in the car, I might play something on repeat but its easy to skip thru the songs.

    Which is why I love them hour long MP3 mixes...cus its similar feeling, you have to listen to the sum of all parts so to speak, rather than pick and choose - cus sometimes your tastes are biased and you end up sleeping on dopeness.

  • GnarliamentGnarliament 375 Posts
    I just found "De La Soul is Dead" for 1.45 at my local Ch*apo. Tapes are the only thing that are across the board cheap at that store, as I've recently found out.

  • LokoOneLokoOne 1,823 Posts
    who used to buy (or rack) them extra expensive metallic tapes? Remember them.... super tapes or just a load of bs?

  • GrafwritahGrafwritah 4,184 Posts
    I just found "De La Soul is Dead" for 1.45 at my local Ch*apo. Tapes are the only thing that are across the board cheap at that store, as I've recently found out.

    Used stores around here more or less quit selling tapes probably 5 or so years ago. I know one local chain just started dumping them for like 10 cents each.

  • Mr_Lee_PHDMr_Lee_PHD 2,042 Posts
    Surely the mass production of pre-recorded tapes was the most long-ass process EVAR.

    I mean CDs and vinyl is a fairly speedy thing once you have a master, but can you imagine 800 tape recording machines ?

    Even with super duper high speed dubbing, this must have been a biiiatch.

  • CosmophonicCosmophonic 1,172 Posts

    I was thinking about this the other day. how not being able to select songs on tapes created a different listening experience, almost a capitive audience, where you 'had' to listen to songs and some times those songs you didnt first like grew on you, where as with cd/mp3 its quite easy to miss alot of music due to being so easy to skip thru. (not sure if Im expressing this too well...)

    I thought exactly the same. My iPod broke last year, so I recorded some new tapes and went back to the walkman. It made me realize a LOT about songs I "kind of" liked I had not noticed before and vice versa.

    The fast-forwarding thing might be annoying, but its seriously not THAT terrible. Like dude said, don't we all listen to hour-long mp3 mixes at 128k?

  • I used to take a lot of care with recording my tapes, and they still sound great.

    The bulk of my funk and jazz library is still on tape, I hated CDs in the early days (and still do for many reasons) and have tape recordings that sound much better than modern remastered CD editions.

    Of course, I have to watch that they dont get put near any speakers and there are some prerecorded tapes (from the same offending groups of labels/distributors) that sounded bad back in the day and sound unlistenable now, but my own recordings I think I'll cherish til I die.

    Tapes will continue to outsell and be used by more people worldwide than anything else, bearing in mind how music is distributed in Asian and African countries. And long my it be so.

    Tapes rock.

  • Mr_Lee_PHDMr_Lee_PHD 2,042 Posts
    Thats one thing I've never yet experienced - erasing a tape by putting it near a speaker or on top of a TV.. I even used to stack my tapes next to the speaker in the hope that one of em would mysteriously be blank.... nothing happened though.

    I also have fond memories getting the recording lined up riiiiight at the start of the dark tape by manually winding it forward with a pen like some kinda super tape savvy technician


  • When I worked at a record store I was always amazed when people would come in and sak for tapes. Happened a few times a month actually. I can understand needin somethin to bump in the ride out of necessity, but actually preferring the casette sound? That's just dumb.

  • Lucious_FoxLucious_Fox 2,479 Posts
    When I worked at a record store I was always amazed when people would come in and sak for tapes. Happened a few times a month actually. I can understand needin somethin to bump in the ride out of necessity, but actually preferring the casette sound? That's just dumb.

    Is a compressed file any better?

    It seems the general public doesnt seem to care about "sound quality".

  • Mr_Lee_PHDMr_Lee_PHD 2,042 Posts
    BTW, I just found out about the duplication of pre-recorded cassettes..

    "The low speed of the cassette makes it possible to duplicate cassette tape at speeds orders of magnitude greater than the playback speed"

    "The typical procedure was to record a master at, say 7.5 in./s using Dolby B-type prerecord noise reduction. The master was then reproduced at up to 64 times the normal speed"

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    but actually preferring the cassette sound? That's just dumb.
    The cassette sound is warmer than the CD sound, which is soulless.

  • The_Hook_UpThe_Hook_Up 8,182 Posts
    we actually have a very small, but very cool cassette section at the shop...old funkadelic, Sun releases, Stax, MC5, Television, Howlin Wolf...even have still sealed 8-tracks. It seems someone will always come in when they have just bought a used car that has a cassette deck in it and they clean us out. But if it is a cool enough title, we will still buy used cassettes offa folks. (We pay 50 cents)

    It seems that the old white gospel fans prefers tapes because we get a call about once a month from old white people looking for old white gospel on cassette.

    I personally hate tapes and regret that most of my 80s metal collection was on cassette. When I was 12/13 thats mainly what I bought..sigh.

  • but actually preferring the cassette sound? That's just dumb.
    The cassette sound is warmer than the CD sound, which is soulless.

    Hmmm, I guess it is warm like playing a record so I should retract the dumb quote. I'm biased. Much like Hook Up, I regret buying so many tapes that I wish I had on another format. So it goes...

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    Cassettes are the coolest thing going right now with tha_kids,
    no matter how much of a "vinyl revival" there may be.

    And that's exactly why its cool to them - its anachronistic, it doesn't make any sense. Their parents and their little sisters don't play tapes so think its crazy and their own little scene (which I guess it now is).

    Fortunately most of that stuff is noise anyway so nobody will miss it when the tapes rot away...


  • minimini 879 Posts
    Timmion puts out tapes from many of their releases.

  • HorseleechHorseleech 3,830 Posts
    Actually, if you have a high end Nakamichi or Revox cassette deck, you can get studio quality sound, but those things were wicked expensive.

  • SPlDEYSPlDEY Vegas 3,375 Posts
    Before I started recording to quarter inch reels. I tried out recording to a 4 track casette deck. I literally had my mind blown with how good it sounded. Instantly I got drum sounds that I wish I could get with digital. Overall i was completly blown away and surprised by how overall good it sounded.

    Check out this all casette deck studio: http://www.myspace.com/casacassette

    I was literally transported to when I was 5 year olds listening to Disney bedtime stories in my walkman. Or back to all the mixtapes I dubbed to cassette in High school.

    I love casettes after I'm done with this album. I might do a solo project to a 4 track casette deck.

    - spidey

  • asstroasstro 1,754 Posts
    Back in my teenage years I bought cassettes 75% of the time, even though I had a turntable. It was just cheaper and less time consuming than buying vinyl and copying it to good blanks (I hated normal bias cassettes with a passion). I loved cassettes though, I was always pissed at record stores that didn't have a decent selection.

    I kept boxes and boxes of tapes for many years and moves until I threw out the majority of them last year, mostly major label stuff that I could easily buy used on CD or download if I really want to hear it. It pained me to toss 4-500 hundred tapes in the trash but I hadn't listened to one since I got my first iPod. I did hang on to most of the rap stuff with the plan to throw it on ebay as a lot, but I'm too lazy to be bothered so far.
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