Soderbergh/del Toro Che movie

rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
edited December 2008 in Strut Central
Which of the strut Hollywood insideurs has seen a href="http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/12/12/movies/12che.html" target="_blank"1this?/a1 b, 21b, 21It could be really ill. Fidel and Che's takeover of the island is one of the most fascinating military campaigns ever to me. I always thought it was ripe for a really good film treatment. the early Mexico pre-invasion days; the US diplomatic maneuvering; the battles and takeover; Che-Fidel relationshp; later years of Che's life would be fascinating; Congo, sneaking back into Cuba, etc. Not sure how much of the story this movie covers but I wanna see it.b, 21b, 21 img src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/12/12/movies/12che.large2.jpg"1

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  • djdazedjdaze 3,099 Posts
    I just pulled this one out of my stacks to start reading. I've had it for a couple years but hadn't gotten to it yet.b, 21b, 21img src="http://i43.tower.com/cover-art/mm100176064/che-guevara-jon-lee-anderson-paperback-cover.jpg"1b, 21b, 21I'm looking forward to both

  • I have a friend who was an extra in the film. Most of the mountain/jungle scenes were shot in PR. Says Benicio was really into portraying Che, never really broke character and hung out with the extras like they really were his army. Whether the movie is good or not I don't know, but Benicio did put in 150%. b, 21The movie is supposed to be real long too, 4 hours with a half hour intermission, a modern day epic. I wonder how America's short attention span will react to it.

  • DB_CooperDB_Cooper Manhatin' 7,823 Posts
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    b, 21The movie is supposed to be real long too, 4 hours with a half hour intermission, a modern day epic. I wonder how America's short attention span will react to it.
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    font class="post"1b, 21b, 21They'll probably get blunted during intermission, then miss the first 15 minutes of the second half waiting in the snack line.

  • i'm excited for this, but i wish it would open earlier here. i think we have to wait til late january

  • onetetonetet 1,754 Posts
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    font class="post"1b, 21b, 21i thought it had been split into two parts a la kill bill?

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    font class="post"1b, 21b, 21I just read in the article rootless posted its opening up in select theaters as one movie this Friday, but then will be released to the rest of the country as two movies in January.b, 21b, 21Don't worry you'll be able to blaze and get your munchies on img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" 21

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    b, 21I just read in the article rootless posted its opening up in select theaters as one movie this Friday, but then will be released to the rest of the country as two movies in January.
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    font class="post"1b, 21b, 21I'll be annoyed if I have to watch it in two separate installments.b, 21b, 21Also, did any of y'all ever see the movie The Lost City? It didn't focus on Che, but it was about the Cuba during the time of the revolution. Critics hated it, I enjoyed it a lot. Really visually appealing and great great period music.b, 21b, 21sorry to hijack.

  • that's no hijack; thanks for the reccomendation. like I said there's so much good movie potential in this story. I will check it out.


  • Ever see "Fidel"? Gael Garcia Bernal plays Che in that and he has a big role. It came out a few years ago.b, 21Came out before "Motorcycle Diaries" but picks up where it left off.b, 21b, 21I'm not a huge fan of Che. He's definitely not one of my heroes but this is a good flick.

  • "If the missiles had remained (in Cuba),We would have used them against the very heart of the U.S., including New York City. The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims." b, 21 - Ernesto 'Che" Guevara, November 1962.

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  • gravelheadwrapgravelheadwrap corn 948 Posts
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    b, 21I just pulled this one out of my stacks to start reading. I've had it for a couple years but hadn't gotten to it yet.
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    b, 21I'm looking forward to both
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    font class="post"1b, 21b, 21This is a great book. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did.b, 21b, 21I'm excited for the film.

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  • It just premiered here at The Santa Fe film fest..a 2 parter that was shown 2 different nights..Unfortunatly i had to spin both nights..Hope it comes out in theatres soon..i wanna peep..The book is dope..The Paul Davis cover illustration 2!!

  • Hotsauce84Hotsauce84 8,450 Posts
    I just finished watching part one. AMAZING. Benicio is fantastic. Part One covers the takeover, with intermittent shots of Che (well, Benicio as Che) speaking at the UN in '64. I don't want to accidentally spill any spoilers, but I highly recommend checking this out.

    I'll admit that I am not as educated on the man (or the revolution) as some of you may be, but the movie made Che seem pretty damn Christ-like. Not really a complaint, 'cause for all I know he WAS truly an angel for the poor, just sayin'...

  • Hotsauce84Hotsauce84 8,450 Posts
    Which of the strut Hollywood insideurs has seen this?


    I just read the review and this:

    ???Che,??? in other words, is epic hagiography.

    describes what I said above.


    I had to look up 'hagiography' (the study of saints).

  • behemothbehemoth 2,189 Posts
    Can someone tell me who saw this already? Anyone who hasnt dont read!!! Possible spoiler.



    I watched part one. Is it supposed to be all scenes out of wack? No real order? Or did i watch unedited not in order scenes?

  • Hotsauce84Hotsauce84 8,450 Posts
    Can someone tell me who saw this already? Anyone who hasnt dont read!!! Possible spoiler.



    I watched part one. Is it supposed to be all scenes out of wack? No real order? Or did i watch unedited not in order scenes?

    It's in order with the aforementioned UN speech being the exception.

  • knewjakknewjak 1,231 Posts
    Can someone tell me who saw this already? Anyone who hasnt dont read!!! Possible spoiler.

    I watched part one. Is it supposed to be all scenes out of wack? No real order? Or did i watch unedited not in order scenes?


    BUMP

    I saw both parts in the theater this past Thursday. Yes, it was long as shit, with only a 10 minute break. And you have to buy two movie tickets.

    Anyway, that being said, I found it to be an enjoyable film. Admittedly, I do not know much about Che and his history so I cannot comment on its accuracy. From what I understand, the writers/producers had researched this for years on end. So I would like to think it was close.
    It did not seem glamorized or skewed for the masses. However, there were a few random cameos that seemed very awkward. Matt Damon is in it for like 30 seconds, and when I say 30 seconds I mean that quite literally. I guess he just wanted to be apart of the project?

    Bonus beat: During the film I went to go take a piss and Benicio del Toro was standing in the hallway. He was a pretty mellow and gracious dude. Turns out that my showing had a special QnA with him after the movie. It was a nice surprise.

    And yes, the first part does jump around a lot, but it gets more linear towards the end.

  • Hotsauce84Hotsauce84 8,450 Posts


    Bonus beat: During the film I went to go take a piss and Benicio del Toro was standing in the hallway. He was a pretty mellow and gracious dude. Turns out that my showing had a special QnA with him after the movie. It was a nice surprise.

    I know many a lady that would've fainted and/or jumped his bones if they were in your shoes.

    Hell, I know many a dude that would do the same!

  • LokoOneLokoOne 1,823 Posts
    Which of the strut Hollywood insideurs has seen this?

    It could be really ill. Fidel and Che's takeover of the island is one of the most fascinating military campaigns ever to me. I always thought it was ripe for a really good film treatment. the early Mexico pre-invasion days; the US diplomatic maneuvering; the battles and takeover; Che-Fidel relationshp; later years of Che's life would be fascinating; Congo, sneaking back into Cuba, etc. Not sure how much of the story this movie covers but I wanna see it.


    Saw it a month ago and it does justice to the man. The story only covers the Cuba revolution as told by Che is his book "Recuerdos de la revolucion cubana"... and if you read that book it follows his narrative very closely...doesnt get into all the other stuff, in fact its left set up for a sequel.

    I have been an avid Guevarista since a young age and read all his books, studied his shit pretty deeply, so I was critical of any movie capturing his ideas and actions well, but they do the best job possible being a Hollywood US production. The spanish is nailed perfectly (especially the distinct accents from Che-Argetine and the Cubans slang). Benecio looks the part and got the mannerisms right... even little things like the UN speech was recreated very close to the original footage.


    Its bascially a visual recreation of Che anedotes from the Cuba revolucion, so Im sure there are ppl that will say its biased (probably most of Miami will hate it), but I was impressed, obviously I have a personal interest in Che and his history, but as a movie lover I think they did a good job, the way its presented, the camera shots, the B&W images, the plot etc....

    Cant wait till the second part...although I heard there was a Latin American production for a Che movie happenning too, si Im waiting to hear about that one...

  • LokoOneLokoOne 1,823 Posts
    "If the missiles had remained (in Cuba),We would have used them against the very heart of the U.S., including New York City. The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims."
    - Ernesto 'Che" Guevara, November 1962.




    Did you realised that when Che was in NY, speaking as a guest of the UN, Cuban exiles (with CIA backing and training) tried to blow up a hotel, and then let a bomb off on the Hudson River to try and stop Che speaking...

    So the CIA organised and approved terrorist acts in NY....

  • djannadjanna 1,543 Posts
    Dudes, this is already on Demand on our cable, in two parts, both about 2 hours 15 minutes.

    Benicio, aka love of my life, was on Howard Stern last week and it was pretty hilarious.

  • LokoOneLokoOne 1,823 Posts
    I gotta go to see my bootleggers and get Part 2.....
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