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would you start with a garage or a website?

KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
edited September 2008 in Strut Central
As you can read about the glory days of Bill Gates and his former garage activitiesb,121next to a couple of others who went really big and successfull with their companies over the time,b,121b,121is it still the thing to start with a garage as a local base b,121b,121or do you think it's all about virtual reality and websites todayb,121and the new big companies of tomorrow will have started without the garage,b,121just as a html/php/whatever code package?

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  • cpeetzcpeetz 2,112 Posts
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  • willie_fugalwillie_fugal 1,862 Posts
    Hey Krautbreaks. I like your idea of coming to the Strut to practice your English. I moechte das Selbe mit mein Deutsch tun. Wo soll Ich gehen? Gibt's ein deutsches Strut?
  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
    Depends on the1business.
  • KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
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    b,121Depends on the1business.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Let's think about record (and other used things) sale.b,121b,121Garage:b,121What do you need to buy one in US,b,121b,121how1's about prices?b,121b,121WebSite: b,121How1tough is it to get down on your feet outside ebay?b,121b,121b,121Maybe there is a hybrid-solution?
  • young_creamyoung_cream 540 Posts
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    b,121Depends on the1business.
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    b,121Let's think about record (and other used things) sale.
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    b,121Garage:
    b,121What do you need to buy one in US,
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    b,121how1's about prices?
    b,121
    b,121WebSite:
    b,121How1tough is it to get down on your feet outside ebay?
    b,121
    b,121
    b,121Maybe there is a hybrid-solution?
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121a website-garage hybird...
  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
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    b,121Garage:
    b,121What do you need to buy one in US
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Something may be lost in translation here, but in the USb,121a garage is generally considered part of your house.b,121So "he started out in a garage" means he was workingb,121out of his house. The distinction being, if you rent ab,121space, it is then a commercial property and a differentb,121approach and level of commitment.
  • cpeetzcpeetz 2,112 Posts
    Maybe this isn't translating well....b,121Who the fusk buys a garage to start a business in, other than a mechanic?
  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
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    b,121Depends on the1business.
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    b,121Let's think about record (and other used things) sale.
    b,121
    b,121Garage:
    b,121What do you need to buy one in US,
    b,121
    b,121how1's about prices?
    b,121
    b,121WebSite:
    b,121How1tough is it to get down on your feet outside ebay?
    b,121
    b,121
    b,121Maybe there is a hybrid-solution?
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121You're too vague.b,121b,121Bill Gates wasn't really selling out of a garage; Bill was forming a future establishment through meager means.b,121b,121Are you talking about selling records?b,121b,121What kind of records? Where are you situated? Priced according to value or priced to sell?b,121b,121Vague info will get you vague answers.
  • GropeGrope 2,970 Posts
    what kind of records? i guess he would sell the black ones with a hole in the middle. b,121b,121b,121i would never start my own business in germany!
  • JoeMojoJoeMojo 720 Posts
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    b,121Bill Gates wasn't really selling out of a garage; Bill was forming a future establishment through meager means.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Well, not really meager means, Bill Gates came from money to begin with.
  • KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
    Hi!b,121b,121I am pretty1seriously planing some small business activities,b,121trying to avoid fleamarket and ebay fees,b,121and generally trying to have nothing in my wayb,121to execute all those weird ideas about selling used stuff,b,121concentrating on a more priced-to-sell level.b,121b,121b,121For the garage translationb,121b,121a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garagenfirma" target="_blank"1http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garagenfirma/a1b,121b,121It's really about the garage as a place to do your business activities,b,121as it's one of the cheapest possibilities here to own something b,121and if i've heard right, you can even apply an postal addresse to your garage,b,121how's about that in US?b,121b,121/font1
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    b,121Something may be lost in translation here, but in the US
    b,121a garage is generally considered part of your house.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121I remember quite well the early 80s as my father bought our firstb,121Atari 800XL computers, b,121where we were driving to some software sellers operating in their garages,b,121it was a common thing back then.b,121b,121b,121For the legal situation, as usual, it's a pain what youb,121all have to think about, laws, costs and stuff, b,121the typical German thing :-(b,121b,121b,121That was part of my "vague" question,b,121what kind of other costs like taxes or anything are connected to buying a garage,b,121are there some legal things which must be fowolled and so on.b,121b,121b,121b,121And yes, it's all about black wax with a hole in the middle :-)
  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
    You want a garage without a house?
  • KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
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    b,121You want a garage without a house?
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  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
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    b,121You want a garage without a house?
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    b,121right
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121That's not a garage then. As I said, if you aren't going to workb,121out of your garage/house, then you need to rent a space. If it isb,121purely for manufacturing, you may be able to just rent a small studiob,121or office for cheap - but if you will be selling, you need a commercialb,121space, which brings in licenses, zoning, and all the fun ways that theb,121government takes their cut.
  • KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
    Ok, thank you.b,121b,121b,121In Germany we separate between two different forms of a business,b,121the "stehendes gewerbe" on one side, which meansb,121it's connected to a certain address,b,121b,121and the "reisegewerbe" on the other sideb,121meaning someone travels around and is aloud to sale where it's officially allowed.b,121b,121There is a difficulty to the second thing:b,121on public places in big cities for example,b,121you need a so called "sondernutzungserlaubnis",b,121which means you are allowed to sell there-b,121this thing is nearly impossible to catch without any deep connectionsb,121or special events.b,121b,121b,121So if you have a "reisegewerbe" and someone allows youb,121to sell off his ground it's legal- b,121this is a possibility if you find someone that is openminded to those plans, b,121but i personally want to have my own ground without the need to rely on someone else, and i need it on a small budget level.b,121b,121b,121So the most flexibel thing would be to have some parking space for your car,b,121which is your own ground and then sell off the car for example,b,121a whole garage making it more flexibel for weather and stuff,b,121giving you more possibilities for some "garage stall" designb,121or even give a better base for permanently placing goods.b,121b,121b,121Then of course a garage is cheaper than a whole office,b,121you can buy a garage starting at around 5000 euro,b,121which is a realistic budget for a very small kind of business.b,121b,121Buying an office, or even renting on the other handb,121brings pretty1fast danger to your budget,b,121as this is very expensive in Germany.b,121b,121b,121b,121And if this thing ever happens,b,121b,121thank you sir on the upper side of this thread,b,121b,121i will call it "hybird heat"...
  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
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    b,121Bill Gates wasn't really selling out of a garage; Bill was forming a future establishment through meager means.
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    b,121Well, not really meager means, Bill Gates came from money to begin with.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Well, yeah. Meager means might be pushing it; a meager start-up might be a smarter choice of phrase.
  • DjArcadianDjArcadian 3,633 Posts
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    b,121As you can read about the glory days of Bill Gates and his former garage activities
    b,121next to a couple of others who went really big and successfull with their companies over the time,
    b,121
    b,121is it still the thing to start with a garage as a local base
    b,121
    b,121or do you think it's all about virtual reality and websites today
    b,121and the new big companies of tomorrow will have started without the garage,
    b,121just as a html/php/whatever code package?
    b,121
    b,121
    h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121If you can't figure this out you're not ready to start a business.
  • DjArcadianDjArcadian 3,633 Posts
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    b,121what kind of other costs like taxes or anything are connected to buying a garage,
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Are you a mechanic? If you're talking about starting a computer company why the hell would you buy a garage?b,121b,121I don't know if something is being lost in translation here but you shouldn't care about this stuff. Just get some space to run a business. Whether it's a dorm room, your parents garage, office or warehouse space. b,121b,121One of the main reason companies fail is lack of capital. You need money to fund your start-up. You need a good idea. You need to know who your customer is and how you can target them with your marketing. You need to know your competitors and figure out how to beat them. Will you be cheaper, faster, better? If so how do you impress these improvements to your customers and convince them to use you instead of an established and proven competitor. b,121b,121Your priorities are messed up right now. Buying a garage? Horrible idea.
  • KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
    Clear words...something to think about. There is something lost in the translation but you 're right, i have to begin checking some legal things and stuff.
  • mylatencymylatency 10,475 Posts
    KEEP OVERHEAD LOWb,121WORK OUT OF YOUR BEDROOM UNTIL YOU CAN AFFORD A GARAGE OR WHATEVER
  • KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
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    b,121KEEP OVERHEAD LOW
    b,121WORK OUT OF YOUR BEDROOM UNTIL YOU CAN AFFORD A GARAGE OR WHATEVER
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Do you see it? Now we have two opposite interpretations of what's "right"b,121- have bigger money to spend before I startb,121- start with a small sum until I can afford anything biggerb,121b,121I am about to try the second option to achieve the first.
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  • KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
    Why?
  • mylatencymylatency 10,475 Posts
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    b,121KEEP OVERHEAD LOW
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    b,121
    h,121
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    b,121
    b,121Do you see it? Now we have two opposite interpretations of what's "right"
    b,121- have bigger money to spend before I start
    b,121- start with a small sum until I can afford anything bigger
    b,121
    b,121I am about to try the second option to achieve the first.
    b,121
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121JUST DO ITb,121STOP TYPING ON THIS BOARDb,121YOU WILL NOT BE A SUCCESS IF YOU KEEP WASTING YOUR TIMEb,121LIFE IS SHORTb,121JUST DO ITb,121b,121YOU CAN THANK ME LATER
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121EXACTLY
  • KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
    haha 'k img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121b,121but ... "ON THIS BOARD" is a little far?b,121b,121b,121"ON THIS THREAD" should be enough??
  • cadeauxcadeaux 208 Posts
    If these are your thoughts about starting a business,b,121don??t start a business.b,121b,121b,121spend your time on records an the board.
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    b,121but ... "ON THIS BOARD" is a little far?
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    b,121"ON THIS THREAD" should be enough??
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121do i get you right? you plan to buy a garage in the us and sell records out of your car? this sounds like a REALLY good idea, congrats. b,121oh, welcome to the 21st century by the way.
  • KrautbreaksKrautbreaks 276 Posts
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    b,121If these are your thoughts about starting a business,
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    b,121spend your time on records an the board.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121There is something mixed here right now!b,121b,121b,121I have started to sell out my collection,b,121and i plan to do further things,b,121when i cleaned things here,b,121next to my studying activities- b,121so it will happen on a small but should-be-successfull degree,b,121most wanted IRL not ecommerce like.b,121b,121b,121I will announce something hereb,121when i finally got dollars to my paypal account again,b,121to pay Raj, this is about to happen within the next 2 weeks,b,121that's for the internet part.b,121b,121b,121For the other activities, here is not the place to talk about it any longer,b,121as noone really seems to get the full idea, b,121i thought there would be some guys with knowledge and heart about that topicb,121but no more time wasting right now!b,121b,121inVrs: wenn Du Dich mit den gesetzlichen Bestimmungen in Deutschland auskennst, die Risiken im eCommerce im Deutschland des Jahres 2008 kennst,b,121wenn Du schon jemals in Deinem Leben eine gr????ere Sammlung auf einmal b,121*und zwar im richtigen Leben* verkauft hast, b,121dann darf ich Deinen Kommentar als Ritterschlag auslegen?b,121b,121img src="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carboot7.jpg"1
  • inVrsinVrs 687 Posts
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    b,121inVrs: wenn Du Dich mit den gesetzlichen Bestimmungen in Deutschland auskennst, die Risiken im eCommerce im Deutschland des Jahres 2008 kennst,
    b,121wenn Du schon jemals in Deinem Leben eine gr????ere Sammlung auf einmal
    b,121*und zwar im richtigen Leben* verkauft hast,
    b,121dann darf ich Deinen Kommentar als Ritterschlag auslegen?
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    b,121ok, aber es gibt sicherlich bessere methoden als garagenverkauf.
    b,121probier es hier ??ber das forum - wesentlich besser als ebay.
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