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Blacks & Latinos in the US

pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
edited September 2008 in Strut Central
I know their were a couple of threads on this subject and I would love to get some links to those or some newer academical work on this subjectb,121b,121It is of personal interest to me and is also a subject i would like to delve deeper into for mymasters degreeb,121b,121I know O-Dub mannylobone can help me outb,121b,121thanks in advance

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  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    That's really broad. You have a more specific topic in mind?
  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121I know their were a couple of threads on this subject and I would love to get some links to those b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121don't bother.
  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121That's really broad. You have a more specific topic in mind? b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Definitly it was more on tension between the communities...b,121b,121Possibly with california as a case study...b,121b,121I am having to analyz this case as a Hutigntonian "clash of civilizations" (cringe)b,121b,121as well as Putnam stating that cultural diversity has a negative effect on social consolidationb,121b,121just throwing things out there
  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121I know their were a couple of threads on this subject and I would love to get some links to those b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121don't bother. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121INDEED i ve fallen pray to ye olde ss race thread far too many timesb,121b,121however it is the articles that interest meb,121b,121SS search for black latino would be
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121That's really broad. You have a more specific topic in mind? b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Definitly it was more on tension between the communities...b,121b,121Possibly with california as a case study...b,121b,121I am having to analyz this case as a Hutigntonian "clash of civilizations" (cringe)b,121b,121as well as Putnam stating that cultural diversity has a negative effect on social consolidationb,121b,121just throwing things out there b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Where is Phillystrezz when PCMR needs him?b,121b,121Here's one thing - short and concise that I think speaks to a few important dynamics:b,121b,121http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9587776
  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
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    Quote:h,121b,121This article is premium content. In order to gain access to it please either Log in, Activate your complimentary web account if you are a print subscriber, subscribe now or have O-Dub copy and paste it into your preferred music/politics/fresh kicks discussion board[/b]b,121b,121h,121
  • street_muzikstreet_muzik 3,919 Posts
    Blacks have names like Joe. Latinos have names like Jose. And we're mad about it.
  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
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    b,121b,121b,121B/Wb,121b,121avatar clashb,121b,121B/Wb,121b,121 ARTICLE ON SAME MURDER
  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
    Y que tal con esob,121b,121 Whites are exagerating these tensions b,121b,121whole new ballgame
  • LokoOneLokoOne 1,823 Posts
    If you do a search on Youtube you'll find plenty of shit.... some of it is dodgy wanna be young gangstas fighting like girls... but theres some 'real life' footage and a few news reports....
  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    Have you tried reading this book?b,121b,121
  • Lucious_FoxLucious_Fox 2,479 Posts
    haha
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    b,121b,121Not my fault ya'll are too cheap to pony up for an Economist subscription. b,121b,121b,121b,121Where black and brown collideb,121Aug 2nd 2007 | DURHAM AND LOS ANGELES b,121From The Economist print editionb,121b,121b,121The struggle for political dominance pits natural allies against each otherb,121TWO men will soon stand trial in Los Angeles in a murder case that does not involve white cops, a sportsman or a music producer. As a result, the trial is unlikely to receive minute-by-minute coverage on cable TV. Yet it will reveal as much about the edgy state of race relations in Los Angeles as the cases of Rodney King or O.J. Simpson. Perhaps more so, since it involves the two groups between which there is most tension. The accused men, Ernesto Alcarez and Jonathan Fajardo, are Hispanic. The victim, 14-year-old Cheryl Green???who, prosecutors say, died in a racially motivated attack???was black.b,121b,121In the rarefied world of national politics (and in America's even more other-worldly universities) blacks and Latinos tend to be lumped together in what Nicol??s Vaca, a California lawyer, calls a ???presumed alliance???. Last month Barack Obama, a Democratic presidential candidate whose father was Kenyan, assured a Hispanic conference that such a bond existed. Quoting Martin Luther King, he called the two groups ???brothers in the fight for equality???. On the streets of America's cities, however, rather less lofty attitudes are apparent.b,121b,121???We're being overrun,??? says Ted Hayes of Choose Black America, which has led anti-immigration marches in south-central Los Angeles. ???The compa??eros have taken all the housing. If you don't speak Spanish they turn you down for jobs. Our children are jumped upon in the schools. They are trying to drive us out.??? Not, Mr Hayes emphasises, that he has anything against illegal immigrants personally, or against Mexicans who are in America legally. Indeed, he says, in that useful old phrase, he is friendly with many of them.b,121b,121Last year Pew, a pollster, found that one-third of blacks believe immigrants take jobs from Americans???more than any other group. Yet in some ways their views were benign. Blacks are less likely than whites or even Hispanics to believe that immigrants end up on welfare or commit crimes. Latinos, on the other hand, appear to make no such concessions. One survey of Durham, in North Carolina, found that 59% of Latinos believed few or almost no blacks were hard-working, and a similar proportion reckoned few or almost none could be trusted. Fewer than one in ten whites felt the same way.b,121b,121Fifteen years ago such prejudices hardly existed in Durham, for the simple reason that there were hardly any Latinos. Like much of the South, the city was biracial, with roughly equal numbers of blacks and whites. Then came a building boom that drew workers from Mexico, many of them illegal. By 2000 one in 12 residents of Durham was Latino???up from one in 80 a decade earlier. By 2005, one in eight was. Mauricio Castro, a local activist, says the change has hit the city like a storm.b,121b,121That storm has broken most heavily on the poorest parts of Durham, which happen to be black. It is in largely black neighbourhoods that wooden shacks have been converted into call centres and carnicerias (and it is, inevitably, often blacks who have robbed new arrivals of their weekly wages). In this, Durham is typical. By 2000 blacks in all ten of America's biggest metropolitan areas were more mixed in with Hispanics than with whites. In Los Angeles, former ghettos such as Watts are now biracial.b,121b,121b,121b,121In poor areas, closeness often means conflict. Los Angeles tallied more than 400 racial hate crimes last year???the most, as a proportion of all hate crimes, for at least a decade (see chart). Blacks fared worst: they comprise just 9% of the population of Los Angeles County but were the victims of 59% of all race-hate crimes. Seven times out of ten, their persecutors were Latino. Hispanics, who make up almost half the population, were victimised by blacks eight-tenths of the time. These numbers greatly understate the violence. They do not, for example, include the victims of a dozen interracial prison riots last year, which left two dead.b,121b,121Gangs tend to be held responsible for such outrages, which is only partly fair. The 204th Street gang, which is alleged to be behind the murder of Cheryl Green, has a reputation for attacking innocent blacks. And gang members who have done time in California's racially divided jails often develop especially sharp attitudes. Yet gangs often express broadly held views, though in a violent way. Besides, says Robin Toma, the head of the county's human relations commission, gangs can affect the views of law-abiding folk. When bullets start flying, a turf war can easily turn into a broader racial conflict.b,121b,121b,121The powerless majorityb,121One reason blacks and Latinos have failed to form an alliance is philosophical. The black civil-rights struggle, in the South at least, was mostly about asserting legal rights and demolishing barriers to voting by those who were, in theory, already enfranchised. The Latino struggle is quite different. Its goal is often the selective or non-enforcement of the law, particularly on immigration. A common demand, for example, is for local police not to co-operate with federal immigration agents. And, whereas blacks in the 1960s demanded power in proportion to their numbers as adult citizens, Hispanics want rather more.b,121b,121Thanks partly to their youth and partly to the fact that many are not citizens, Latinos are not nearly as powerful as their numbers might suggest. In Durham, where they are more than 13% of the population, the Latino vote is negligible. Even in historically Hispanic California they comprise more than a third of the population but cast only about a fifth of the votes. The imbalance between numbers and power irks many Latinos. And since they increasingly live in areas where political power is held by blacks, it often sharpens racial resentments.b,121b,121In Compton, an independent city in south Los Angeles, Latinos are now 58% of the population???and rising quickly. Yet the mayor and all the members of the council are black. ???They got here first, took over from the whites, and now it's difficult for them to let go,??? says Alex Leon, a local pastor. Sensing the future tsunami of Latino political power, Compton's mayor has begun to cultivate Hispanics. It may be too late. In the next-door city of Lynwood, Hispanics were largely kept out of power until they became a majority. After seizing control of the city council in 1997 they demolished the black political machine.b,121b,121Such ethnic squabbles, which are almost inevitable in the zero-sum game of urban politics, can shape attitudes. And they may help to explain one of the most striking features of the 2008 presidential race: the lack of Latino support for Mr Obama. In June a Gallup poll showed that black Democrats were evenly divided between Mr Obama and Hillary Clinton, while whites gave Mrs Clinton a 16-point lead. Among Hispanics, however, the senator from New York led by a crushing 46 points???despite Mr Ob ama's impeccably liberal line on immigration.b,121b,121So far, rivalry between blacks and Hispanics has been a mostly working-class affair. But Earl Ofari Hutchinson, who is writing a book on black-Latino relations, reckons that is likely to change. Latinos are already so entrenched in some manual trades that it is hard to see how they can become more dominant. In construction, for example, they account for a quarter of the national workforce and outnumber blacks almost five to one. The next citadels to be stormed will be white-collar, largely female preserves such as public administration, education and health.b,121b,121In Los Angeles the struggle for such jobs is well under way. Every month the Los Angeles County Chicano Employees Association produces a newsletter illustrating the shortage of Latinos in the top ranks of yet another government office. These reports nearly always show that blacks are over-represented. In the department of children and family services, for example, some 36% of managers are black, 29% are white and just 20% are Hispanic. Yet the reports also show that, over time, Hispanics have steadily taken high-level jobs from both blacks and whites.b,121b,121If blacks and Hispanics are not brothers in the fight for equality, nor are they locked in a titanic struggle like the one between blacks and whites in the mid-20th-century South. Thankfully, there is far less violence. And the fact that leaders on both sides talk of a common cause probably helps. Yet one thing is the same: the group on top wants to stay there. Indeed, power hard-won from whites may be even more difficult to give up. As parts of Durham begin to resemble south-central Los Angeles, tensions between blacks and Latinos can only increase.
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