Obama Clinton
LaserWolf
Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
So according to the press the big news is that Obama and Clinton disagree on meeting with bad guys.Q: Would you meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria... ?O: Yes. We need to change our strategy and start engaging other countries.C: No. It would just reward dictators.C: O is naive and inexperienced.O: C is Bush Lite.C: That's mean, your supposed to be nice.O: Your like Bush we need a change.Or something like that.What do you think?Should the next president meet with the leaders of North Korea, Iran, Zimbabwe?Should Bush have met with the leaders of Vietnam, Saudi Arabia and China?Is Obama Naive? Mean?Is Clinton Bush Lite?Is their fight news worthy?I'll be back.
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to me, those answers are near identical. i dont think obama is going to fly down to cuba without knowing that Castro has good intentions. clinton wants to portray herself as tough, so i think she got a little carried away by labeling obama "naive". accordingly, she got what was coming to her with the "bush lite" comment.
hopefully this will blow over because i'd rather see them talk about important issues than trade one-liners in the newspapers.
america is more racist than sexist.
AND WE ARE OFF!
If you want to thread hijack you need something that is less stupid that Obama=Black Clinton=woman.
they are neck and neck...misogyny has been alive in well in this country since the beginning
I'm not a woman so i can't speak on it. Girly at times, but never a woman. But I will say, people rarely clutch their purse, cross the street, or bust some she speaks so well bullshit to a white woman.
no one bats an eye at misogynist lyrics, wifebeater jokes, clothing named after wifebeaters, the words bitches and hoes are uttered without resistance, phrases like "she pretty good...for a girl" are used without reservation, James Brown and Ike Turner, Jerry Lee Lewis, notorious woman beaters, but hey, they can write catchy tunes,so its overlooked(Im guilty of that one)(the old bullshit line, "They are from a different time and place" is always used by apologists)...its out there dood.
I am afraid of white women. VERY AFRAID.
But I don't believe they would elect the following..
Obese President = Everyone hates fat people.
Bald President = has one ever been elected??
"Little Person" President = Height Makes Might
Dreadlocked President - The barber lobby is too powerful
Openly Gay President = Most of his cabinet would have to come out of the closet.
Narcoleptic President = College kids would create a drinking game based on how far into a Presidential Address the dude would fall asleep.
Two-Headed President - Personally I would vote for one, but only if one head had far left ideals and the other had far right ideals.
Eisenhower was bald, but then again that was 50 years ago...
Greatest use of a hat in U.S. history...
Plus his opponent was just as bald as Ike...but apparently didn't own a cool hat.
The press is more interested in the fight between Clinton and Obama than they are in the issues that divide them.
Soulstrut is more interested in racism and sexism than it is in discussing issues.
Democratic voters will be pulling for Clinton because they will buy your stupid analysis.
Given the choice most voters, left, right and independent will judge the candidates as individuals on the merits.
Joe Racist may think that Blacks as a group are too dishonest (or lazy, or whatever) to be president. But they will judge Obama as an individual and decide whether he has what it takes.
Likewise with Joe Misogynst. He may think women are too emotional (or delicate or whatever) too be president. But they will judge Clinton as an individual.
Most or these racists and sexist voters will be voting against who ever the Ds run anyway.
On the other hand, many people will use your calculus to vote for Clinton over Obama even though they like Edwards best. The racist and sexist voters are at least voting their beliefs.
Agreed. In part.
I think the question was about an important issue.
I would like to know when a US president talking to a world leader was used for propaganda against the US.
I would like to know which countries have changed their ways because the US president refused to meet with their leader.
I'm thinking that talking to people is better than not talking to them. Given that, I like what Obama says more than what Clinton says.
To expand, I see Clinton embracing the War On Terrorism as a new global cold war where countries are either with us or against us. I think, that like Bush, she will be going after countries more than after AL Qaeda. Like Bush, she will be trying to expand US interests in the Muslim world by backing dictators and sheiks with horrendous human rights records.
I don't know, but maybe Obama would chart a smarter course that would target AL Qaeda and other terrorist groups and support democracy and self determination in the Muslim world.
American is bellicose than pacifist so Clinton wins that match up too I suppose.
why do i even bother.
To remind us all that racism is alive and well???
uhh. dude it's not it's not my stupid calculus it's reality. It fucking sucks and it's depressing but that's how shit is going to end up.
Racist democrats exist, they're usually uber-patronizing.
Uhh...okay. I hope i'm wrong and you're right that yes the black hatteur will be revealed to just hate blacks as a whole but as individually think they're swell.
i guess so since you always seem to come out on cue just to belittle the problems of racism in america.
where's mikeseaversnikes?
Unless you've been living under a rock the past year, you should know that the polls all say that Obama and Hillary are electable. Case closed. If and when the country does not elect either of them, then go ahead and revisit this thread. Until then, lets talk about something else.
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When I lived in Oklahoma in the 70s I met the most virulent openly racists people. All these people had a neighbor or co-worker who was Black. Okmulgee Oklahoma has/had a large Black population. (Because nearby Henryetta had expeled all Blacks back in the 60s.) These racist people all belived that they knew the one good Black. They were happy to have their co-worker or neighbor over for dinner, give them a ride to town or help them paint their house. So yes, in the South, as other Southerners will attest, Black hatteurs hate Blacks as a whole, but as individuals think they are swell.
Not only is it true, the opposite is generally true about the North.
More or less likely than a black president?
More or less likely than a female president?
Atheist is the least likely. Unless her opponet is fat.
Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Young Phonics stands a better chance at becoming President than I do.
God Bless America!!!
thats actually a pretty good zing.
I think.
and yeah, there will never be an athiest president. people would rather have presidents make decisions because "god told me to!"
you don't know what your talking about.
1) kucinech and gravel are the only candidates talking about an immediate withdrawl of all troops. obama, clinton and edwards are for some troops being pulled immediately, but a gradual total troop withdrawl that is on a time table. biden wants to establish 3 seperate provinces in iraq which would require that we not withdraw right away.
2) i'm guessing you dont read the nyt but heard that there was an op-ed piece on monday where the author said that the military was making progress in iraq. aside from the fact that the author ignored all of southern iraq in making his determination, this had nothing to do with the nyt editorial page. it was an op-ed. there is news today that the total death toll in iraq was 74 for the month of july. some might consider that positive news, but i don't think people are standing up and cheering.