Ceasar Frazier's "Sweet Children" (Sample-related)
mannybolone
Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
I noticed that Kanye West used Frazier's "Sweet Children" for Common's "Real People" (great choice) but in the liner notes for the Be LP, it also says the same song was used on the title track. 1) I don't hear any part of "Sweet Children" on "Be"2) "Be" samples a string section. There are no strings on the entire Frazier LP. A typo? If so, it's listed twice since the writing credits on "Be" also name Frazier.And what's strange too is on "Real People," the credits have Frazier in the writing credits but there's no mention of the clearance (presumably b/c they did it already).Nothing big here, just curious.
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Can't help you out on the query, but am interested in your opinion of 'Be'? Haven't come across your musings on-line and/or in print as of yet and was curious...
While I admired what Common was trying to do on Be, song for song, the album never hit the right stride until the end. I loved "Be," definitely was into "The Corner," but "Go" is just plain terrible - a corny song with a corny hook and corny beat. Period. Both "Faithful" and "Testify" had great production but weak lyrics and "Love" isn't nearly as inane as "Go" but it comes close. "Chi City" was surprisingly dull and I don't know why they replaced the studio version of "The Food" with the tinny, lo-fi live version recorded on The Chappelle Show. Big disappointment. The last three songs were fantastic: loved "Real People," "They Say" and "It's Your World Pt. 1" was great but "Pt. 2" (with Pop's rap) was unlistenable. That's 4.5 great songs vs. 6.5 that I'd sooner skip past. Not exactly Illmatic.
SERIOUSLY
I haven't listened to the whole album yet but based on what I've heard nothing on the album is even touching the studio version of The Food
JKriss
And this to me justifies it being on there. I thought the studio version was zzz after first hearing the live version.
Before anyone shits on me, I haven't heard the song or the sample....
Does the clearance say "used a sample" or "used portions" or does it refer to an interpolation or "contains elements".
If the string is actually a sample (I don't know, I'm making this assumption) and Kanye didn't replay it...
It's possible he sampled someone who was doing a cover of the Ceaser Frasier song. Since Ceaser Frasier owns the publishing on it, it would still be his name listed. What you have to list is part of the clearing process and can depend on the artists demands.
JKriss
Here you go man - I threw in the original after the first verse.
http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=22YZ1O1X8NYRI2HP0I3TVC6WVF
I thought this was some Crusaders record this whole time cause I knew it sounded familliar and had that clean sound to it. I traded it away and happened to find a VG copy again yesterday.
As far as the beat goes, did Kanye even do anything to that shit but throw a kick underneath? I need to be getting paid for beats like this. "Sure, you can have it for $50,000. I'm feeling generous today".
I gotta disagree with your review though, Oliver.
I agree, "Chi-City" and his pops at the end are kind of weak and "The Food" I have yet to listen to cause the quality is so shitty, but the rest of the album, lyrics included, is one of the better Hip Hop records i've heard in quite a while. I also haven't been checking much Texas rap though so what do I know.
Thanks for the clip but I think you misunderstood my question. I have the Frazier LP and obviously, "Real People" uses "Sweet Children." But in the credits for the Be LP, it says that "Be" (the title track) uses "Sweet Children" and I don't hear that ANYWHERE in Frazier's song. I wondered if it wsa some kind of typo except that in the writing credits for "Be", Frazier is also mentioned.
The thing is: there are no strings on this Frazier LP so if "Be" interpolates or samples part of his album, the strings must come from elsewhere.
And I stand by my opinion that "Be" has been insanely overrated and that it's about half a really good album and the other half is, at best, "eh" with moments of downright "ugh".
Oliver
I understood your question completely. I posted that clip for Moss who said he hadn't heard it yet.
I have no clue why it's like that in the liner notes. I need to give both of those songs a side by side listen but if I remember correctly, "Be" has a live bass, synth and then the string sample comes in, right? I don't remember hearing that sample in "Sweet Children" either.
SOMEONE CALL THE HIP HOP COPS
At first I thought that same thing, but I like the contrast and how it ends up all coming together when the beat comes in.
I like the contradiction in sounds. The synth kind of reminded me of what it would've sounded like if Madlib produced it.
I have the CD here and I noticed the inclusion of the sample credit. Perhaps, as it has been commonplace in recent years, it was put there so people think that there is a credit, when it's the wrong credit. Perfect example is the recent Mary J. Blige album, where there are credits for samples that aren't there, or wrong samples by a certain artist. It tends to make people think all samples were cleared when it's the beat or string sample that the producer is flaunting.
Which reminds me... anyone heard from el sparko?