Graying of Rekkid Stores - NYTimes

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  • SIRUSSIRUS 2,554 Posts
    that dude would get more of my buisness if he stopped buying used and shrinkrapping it to sell at new prices.

  • noznoz 3,625 Posts
    Besides selling obscure CD???s and even vinyl records, many have diversified into comic books, Japanese robot toys and clothing


  • karlophonekarlophone 1,697 Posts

    whoever that guy is, grab that 'guns dont argue' off the wall and ship it to me!

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Besides selling obscure CD???s and even vinyl records, and clothing

    Sayin - where my GOOD RECORDS T-SHIRT.

  • hammertimehammertime 2,389 Posts
    can someone post this article here for those without NYTimes access?

  • CousinLarryCousinLarry 4,618 Posts
    July 16, 2006
    The Graying of the Record Store
    By ALEX WILLIAMS
    SO this is an evening rush?

    On a recent Monday, six people ??? soon enough four, then two ??? were browsing the bins of compact discs at Norman???s Sound and Vision, a music store on Cooper Square in Manhattan, around 6 p.m., a time that once constituted the daily rush hour. A decade ago, the number of shoppers might have been 20 or 30, said Norman Isaacs, the owner. Six people? He would have had that many working in the store.

    ???I used to make more in a day than I probably make in a week now,??? said the shaven-headed Mr. Isaacs, 59, whose largely empty aisles brimming with punk, jazz, Latin music, and lots and lots of classic rock have left him, many afternoons, looking like a rock ???n??? roll version of the Maytag repairman. Just as troubling to Mr. Isaacs is the age of his clientele.

    ???It???s much grayer,??? he said mournfully.

    The neighborhood record store was once a clubhouse for teenagers, a place to escape parents, burn allowances and absorb the latest trends in fashion as well as music. But these days it is fast becoming a temple of nostalgia for shoppers old enough to remember ???Frampton Comes Alive!??????

    In the era of iTunes and MySpace, the customer base that still thinks of recorded music as a physical commodity (that is, a CD), as opposed to a digital file to be downloaded, is shrinking and aging, further imperiling record stores already under pressure from mass-market discounters like Best Buy and Wal-Mart.

    The bite that downloading has taken out of CD sales is well known ??? the compact disc market fell about 25 percent between 1999 and 2005, according to the Recording Industry Association of America, a trade organization. What that precipitous drop indicated by the figures doesn???t reveal is that this trend is turning many record stores into haunts for the gray-ponytail set. This is especially true of big-city stores that stock a wider range of music than the blockbuster acts.

    ???We don???t see the kids anymore,??? said Thom Spennato, who owns Sound Track, a cozy store on busy Seventh Avenue in Park Slope, Brooklyn. ???That 12-to-15-year-old market, that???s what???s missing the last couple of years.???

    Without that generation of buyers, the future looks bleak. ???My landlord asked me if I wanted another 10-year lease, and I said no,??? Mr. Spennato said. ???I have four years left, then I???m out.???

    Since late 2003, about 900 independent record stores have closed nationwide, leaving about 2,700, according to the Almighty Institute of Music Retail, a marketing research company in Studio City, Calif. In 2004, Tower Records, one of the nation???s largest chains, filed for bankruptcy protection.

    Greta Perr, an owner of Future Legends, a new and used CD store on Ninth Avenue in Hell???s Kitchen, said that young people never really came back to her store after the Napster file-sharing upheaval of the late 90???s; she has responded by filling her windows with artists like Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen. ???People come in and say: ???I remember when I was 20, Steve Miller???s second record came out. Can I get that???? ??? she said.

    Industry statistics bear out the graying of the CD-buying public. Purchases by shoppers between ages 15 and 19 represented 12 percent of recorded music in 2005, a decline from about 17 percent in 1996, according to the Recording Industry Association. Purchases by those 20 to 24 represented less than 13 percent in 2005, down from about 15 percent. Over the same period, the share of recorded music bought by adults over 45 rose to 25.5 percent, from 15 percent.

    (The figures include CD???s and downloaded songs, with CD???s still an overwhelming share of the market in recorded music, 87 percent, in 2005.)

    The dominance of older buyers is especially evident at smaller independent stores in metropolitan areas, where younger consumers tend to be more tech-oriented and older music fans tend to be more esoteric in their tastes, said Russ Crupnick, an analyst with the NPD Group, a market research firm.

    At Norman???s, which is 15 years old and just around the corner from New York???s epicenter of punk, St. Marks Place, shoppers with nose rings and dewy cheeks are not unknown. But they may only be looking to use the automatic teller machine. A pair of teenagers ??? he with ink-black dyed hair, and she in ragged camouflage shorts ??? wandered in one evening recently and promptly froze in the doorway, stopped in their tracks by an Isaac Hayes cut from the 70???s.

    They had the confused looks of would-be congregants who had stumbled into a church of the wrong denomination; they quickly shuffled off. Most of Norman???s other customers were old enough to remember eight-track tapes. Steven Russo, 53, for instance, was looking for jazz CD???s. Mr. Russo, a high school teacher in Valley Stream, N.Y., said that he values the store for its sense of camaraderie among cognoscenti as much as its selection. ???It???s the ability of people to talk to people about the music, to talk to personnel who are knowledgeable,??? he said.

    Richard Antone, a freelance writer from Newark whose hair was flecked with silver curls, said his weekly trip to the store is a visual experience as well as an auditory one. ???I remember how people admired the artwork on an album like ???Electric Ladyland??? or ???Sgt. Pepper??? as much as the music,??? he said.

    The lost generation of young shoppers ??? for whom a CD is a silvery disc on which you burn your own songs and then label with a black marker ??? will probably spell doom for Norman???s within the next five years, said Mr. Isaacs, the owner. Several of his downtown competitors have already disappeared, he said.

    Some independent owners are resisting the demographic challenges. Eric Levin, 36, who owns three Criminal Records stores in Atlanta and oversees a trade group called the Alliance of Independent Media Stores, representing 30 shops nationally, said that businesses losing young customers are ???dinosaurs??? that have done nothing to cater to the new generation. Around the country, he said, shops like Grimey???s in Nashville, Shake It Records in Cincinnati and Other Music in New York are hanging on to young customers by evolving into one-stop hipster emporiums. Besides selling obscure CD???s and even vinyl records, many have diversified into comic books, Japanese robot toys and clothing. Some have opened adjoining nightclubs or, in Mr. Levin???s case, coffee shops.

    ???Kids don???t have to go to the record store like earlier generations,??? Mr. Levin said. ???You have to make them want to. You have to make it an event.???

    But diversification is not always an option for smaller stores with little extra space, like Norman???s. Mr. Isaacs???s continued survival is due in part to a side business he runs selling used CD???s on Amazon and eBay. He buys them from walk-in customers who are often dumping entire collections.

    Unlike the threatened independent bookstore, with its tattered rugs, dusty shelves and shedding cats, indie record stores in danger of disappearing do not inspire much hand-wringing, perhaps because they are not as celebrated in popular imagination as the quaint bookshop. (Record geeks can claim only ???High Fidelity,?????? the book and movie, as a nostalgic touchstone.)

    Still, the passing of such places would be mourned.

    Danny Fields, the Ramones??? first manager, points out that visiting Bleecker Bob???s on West Third Street in the late 70???s was ???like experiencing the New York music scene??? in miniature ??? it was a cultural locus, a trading post for all the latest punk trends. ???Dropping into Bleecker Bob???s was like dropping into CBGB???s,??? he said. (You can still drop into Bleecker Bob???s.)

    Dave Marsh, the rock critic and author of books on popular music, noted that rockers like J onathan Richman and Iggy Pop honed their edgy musical tastes working as record store clerks.

    ???It???s part of the transmission of music,??? said Mr. Marsh, who recalls being turned on to cult bands like the Fugs and the Mothers of Invention by the clerks at his local record store in his hometown, Waterford, Mich. ???It seems like you can???t have a neighborhood without them.???

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts

    why didn't they take any pictures of record stores?

  • hammertimehammertime 2,389 Posts

    Eric Levin, 36, who owns three Criminal Records stores in Atlanta and oversees a trade group called the Alliance of Independent Media Stores, representing 30 shops nationally, said that businesses losing young customers are ???dinosaurs??? that have done nothing to cater to the new generation.




    eh i kinda agree with this.

  • SoulhawkSoulhawk 3,197 Posts
    that article was garbage.

    total 'we visit one store & make up the rest' fake-journalism.

    aren't there like 5 better record stores right around the corner from that one anyway?


  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    that article was garbage.

    total 'we visit one store & make up the rest' fake-journalism.

    aren't there like 5 better record stores right around the corner from that one anyway?


    It's not even a record store--they just have some junk in the basement... trashed Christopher Cross LPs, TVT promos, etc.

    If that guy's business is on the verge of collapsing he really only has himself to blame.

  • The_Hook_UpThe_Hook_Up 8,182 Posts

    Eric Levin, 36, who owns three Criminal Records stores in Atlanta and oversees a trade group called the Alliance of Independent Media Stores, representing 30 shops nationally, said that businesses losing young customers are ???dinosaurs??? that have done nothing to cater to the new generation.




    eh i kinda agree with this.

    well, it is kind of hard to be an independent record store and sell new releases that cost you more wholesale than the big chains and places like best buy sell for retail. Shit, we are starting to buy some releases from cost-co, because their retail price is 2 to 3 dollars lower than our wholesale cost. Good thing new release CDs(besides local indie acts) are not our bread and butter.

    Plus it seems there is a new generation of young kids buying used vinyl. Every month we see more and more of High School aged kids coming in and buying records and not even looking at CDs. God bless 'em. Folks are realizing they can get a used LP for a fourth of what the CD version costs. I would love to see the major label CD market completely crumble under their own greed.

  • SoulhawkSoulhawk 3,197 Posts
    even just based on CD selling aren't there like 3 discount places on st marks place?

    not counting mondo kims, other music, tower etc etc.

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  • CousinLarryCousinLarry 4,618 Posts
    Unlike the threatened independent bookstore, with its tattered rugs, dusty shelves and shedding cats, indie record stores in danger of disappearing do not inspire much hand-wringing, perhaps because they are not as celebrated in popular imagination as the quaint bookshop. (Record geeks can claim only ???High Fidelity,?????? the book and movie, as a nostalgic touchstone.)

    WTF?

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    even just based on CD selling aren't there like 3 discount places on st marks place?

    not counting mondo kims, other music, tower etc etc.

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    Yeah, more than that, and he could really step his used CD-selling game up, by:

    1. Getting better organized and making the stock more accessible, and;

    2. As has been pointed out, not shrinkwrapping used CDs, which would allow people to inspect the condition.
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