The Critics Love Them, But You Just Don't Get It

RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
edited June 2006 in Strut Central
For me it's Guided By Voices...... they must own stock in every "alternative" music magazine on the market....I can't pick up a Magnet, Blender, Spin, etc. without seeing something about these guys. I dug their first couple of efforts but after a bazillion LP's what is the attraction of this band?? Help me understand, I just don't get it.
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  • theory9theory9 1,128 Posts
    Pavement--some really good songs, but come on...

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    I just don't get the critics.


  • kitchenknightkitchenknight 4,922 Posts
    Well, I love both of these bands, so I'll try to explain what I like about them.

    GbV- I'm originally from Southwestern Ohio, so maybe geography effects this, but to me, there are few better songwriters than Bob Pollard. Now, that is not me vouching for ALL of his material- he has SOME tremendous quality, and a tremendous amount of Quantity, much of which is forgettable at worst, and at best, only for the completist. BUT, if you concentrate on their best work, you will have 5 or 6 albums by a great lo-fi garage rock&roll band, with hints of arena rock.

    Essentials:
    Alien Lanes
    Bee Thousand
    Under the Bushes/Under the Stars

    Others:
    Mag Earwhig
    Propeller
    Earthquake Glue

    Pavement- Might be my favorite rock band of the last 20 years. I love the delivery, the sarcasm, and the songwriting. "Wowee Zowee," is my favorite, but it is a messy listen. "Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain," is a much more put together album, and many say it is their best. 12 or so 3 minute pop songs, with a touch of the weird- no need to over complicate with rock snobbery. "Brighten the Corners," is also one that has aged well. Their last album, IMO, is better served as a coaster, but feel free to disagree.

    Ok. After that diatribe, time for me to mention one that I don't get...

    My Morning Jacket. Loved them at first, but lost them. Please. Someone. Sit in the studio and edit down all those 8 minute songs and 75 minute albums.

  • theory9theory9 1,128 Posts
    Don't get me wrong, I like Pavement a lot, but the critics seem to fall all over themselves to make Pavement popular.

  • Pretty much everything featured in Spin for the last ten years...

  • kitchenknightkitchenknight 4,922 Posts
    Don't get me wrong, I like Pavement a lot, but the critics seem to fall all over themselves to make Pavement popular.

    Yeah, I got a little preachy there (tried to edit before posting, but didn't change in time). Rock said, "help me," and i took it as an ivitation to be CRITIC DUDE.

    I get the pavement love, though- i just think they had a unique sound, delivery, and lyrics. Different is good.

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    Pretty much any rock band from the past 10 years that got critical adulation stinks

    But my nomination for one of the more egregiously worshipped folls:

    Beck

  • theory9theory9 1,128 Posts
    Pretty much any rock band from the past 10 years that got critical adulation stinks

    But my nomination for one of the more egregiously worshipped folls:

    Beck

    AKA the Beastie Boys hippie cousin

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    Pavement did not demonstrate any consistent progress. GBV just sounds the same accross all 100 of their records = fine. But I don't need 100 copies of Bee Thousand.

    Some deserved praise...

    Beck
    Wilco
    Radiohead

  • DrWuDrWu 4,021 Posts
    Pretty much any rock band from the past 10 years that got critical adulation stinks

    But my nomination for one of the more egregiously worshipped folls:

    Beck

    ban.


    my pick: Will Oldham


  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Pretty much any rock band from the past 10 years that got critical adulation stinks

    But my nomination for one of the more egregiously worshipped folls:

    Beck

    This dude's music is trash.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Pretty much any rock band from the past 10 years that got critical adulation stinks

    But my nomination for one of the more egregiously worshipped folls:

    Beck

    This dude's music is trash.

    And: if you like this dude, you do not like rap.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    And: if you like this dude, you do not like rap.

    I love it when you say that. What can I like, then?

  • verb606verb606 2,518 Posts
    Pretty much any rock band from the past 10 years that got critical adulation stinks

    But my nomination for one of the more egregiously worshipped folls:

    Beck

    This dude's music is trash.

    And: if you like this dude, you do not like rap.


    is dude's stuff even marginally related to rap anymore? last i heard, and this is a minute ago, he was on some weird electroclash shit or something. i'm not standing up for dude, i'm just sayin.

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    last i heard, and this is a minute ago, he was on some weird Huey Lewis[/b] shit or something.

  • kitchenknightkitchenknight 4,922 Posts
    Pavement did not demonstrate any consistent progress. GBV just sounds the same accross all 100 of their records = fine. But I don't need 100 copies of Bee Thousand.

    Some deserved praise...

    Beck
    Wilco
    Radiohead

    Disagree on the Pavement & GbV. Whatever. We all have opinions and assholes.

    IMO, you listed three of the most overrated bands on the planet, especially #2. Add Interpol, and you'd have completed the grand slam.

  • verb606verb606 2,518 Posts
    last i heard, and this is a minute ago, he was on some weird Huey Lewis[/b] shit or something.


    for real? i've been disconnected from the Beck streets for years. i have no idea what money is doing. it's not like i care, either. i don't why i'm posting this.

  • sabadabadasabadabada 5,966 Posts
    Tim Maia

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts







    are very good records. maybe even classic.

  • crazypoprockcrazypoprock 1,037 Posts
    Tim Maia
    word! his voice just drives me up the wall.

    regarding pavement and gbv...you had to be there 12 years ago to really appreciate both. but their best work still holds up...and i can attest to seeing both bands live multiple times at thier peak and they were amazing. throw on slanted and enchanted now and it still sounds like nothing else...i love it. but hey, this is soulstrut...why even debate this stuff on here?

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Pretty much any rock band from the past 10 years that got critical adulation stinks

    But my nomination for one of the more egregiously worshipped folls:

    Beck

    This dude's music is trash.

    And: if you like this dude, you do not like rap.


    is dude's stuff even marginally related to rap anymore? last i heard, and this is a minute ago, he was on some weird electroclash shit or something. i'm not standing up for dude, i'm just sayin.

    I have no idea. I have heard exactly two Beck songs in my life--both during the summer of 1996 when I had a construction job at which the other guys liked to listen to rock radio. They were both toneless whiteboy cod-rapping... the sort of sin against music that one can never ever atone for.

  • kitchenknightkitchenknight 4,922 Posts







    are very good records. maybe even classic.

    I would definitely call the last two classics; no dissent there. But, those albums do not mean everything those bands have ever touched turn to gold, and they get a free critical blowjob card for the rest of their careers.

  • crazypoprockcrazypoprock 1,037 Posts
    beck's best song is still "loser" which actually is kinda funky and has a breakbeat the whole song...i have a 12" promo of it...kinda fun to dj it out at the right party.

  • hammertimehammertime 2,389 Posts
    Fugazi....zzzzzzzzzzz

  • deejdeej 5,125 Posts
    Radiohead
    Interpol
    Sigur Ros
    Modest Mouse
    The White Stripes
    Animal Collective
    Wilco
    Spoon
    The Strokes
    Devendra Banhart
    The Books
    The Microphones
    The Notwist
    Boards of Canada
    Fennesz
    Broken Social Scene
    Liars
    The Flaming Lips
    Sufjan Stevens
    The Rapture
    The Fiery Furnaces
    Godspeed You Black Emperor!
    Manitoba
    Mclusky
    Deerhoof
    The Arcade Fire
    TV on the Radio
    The Shins
    ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead
    Prefuse 75
    The Dismemberment Plan
    Joanna Newsom
    The Postal Service
    Yeah Yeah Yeahs
    M.I.A.
    Iron & Wine
    Cat Power
    2Many DJs
    The Shins
    Sleater-Kinney
    M83
    The Wrens
    The New Pornographers
    Les Savy Fav
    Mu
    Bj??rk
    Franz Ferdinand
    DJ/Rupture
    Yo La Tengo
    The Decemberists
    Black Dice
    The Unicorns

    OK so about half of these bands never got more than a one-song chance w me but this was taken off of some post-00 pfork list. I also agree that Beck sucks.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    beck's best song is still "loser" which actually is kinda funky and has a breakbeat the whole song...i have a 12" promo of it...kinda fun to dj it out at the right party.

    Yeah, but you don't like rap

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    Its just silly to hate on Bjork

    Cat Power though... NOW you're talking. Prime example.

  • hammertimehammertime 2,389 Posts
    oh my god Joanna Newsom...only the second time in my life I've resold a record the same day I bought it.

  • Radiohead
    Interpol
    Sigur Ros
    Modest Mouse
    The White Stripes
    Animal Collective
    Wilco
    Spoon
    The Strokes
    Devendra Banhart
    The Books
    The Microphones
    The Notwist
    Boards of Canada
    Fennesz
    Broken Social Scene
    Liars
    The Flaming Lips
    Sufjan Stevens
    The Rapture
    The Fiery Furnaces
    Godspeed You Black Emperor!
    Manitoba
    Mclusky
    Deerhoof
    The Arcade Fire
    TV on the Radio
    The Shins
    ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead
    Prefuse 75
    The Dismemberment Plan
    Joanna Newsom
    The Postal Service
    Yeah Yeah Yeahs
    M.I.A.
    Iron & Wine
    Cat Power
    2Many DJs
    The Shins
    Sleater-Kinney
    M83
    The Wrens
    The New Pornographers
    Les Savy Fav
    Mu
    Bj??rk
    Franz Ferdinand
    DJ/Rupture
    Yo La Tengo
    The Decemberists
    Black Dice
    The Unicorns

    OK so about half of these bands never got more than a one-song chance w me but this was taken off of some post-00 pfork list. I also agree that Beck sucks.

    wholesole hattery. please to list as many new bands that you do like or the above is meaningless.

    don't sleep:


  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts







    are very good records. maybe even classic.

    I would definitely call the last two classics; no dissent there. But, those albums do not mean everything those bands have ever touched turn to gold, and they get a free critical blowjob card for the rest of their careers.



    I should retract my original comment re: Pavement and GBV. Because the same would apply to the groups I listed.

    I can't really think anything relatively* new that demonstrated any kind of consistent progress.


    *Slanted and Enchanted came out almost 15 years ago.

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