Quest of Raer (Baseball Card Related)

white_teawhite_tea 3,262 Posts
edited May 2006 in Strut Central
This card costs 'cause you aren't supposed to have it'[/b]By Darren RovellESPN.comAlex Gordon has yet to play a single game in the major leagues and yet his rookie card is the hottest in all of baseball, selling for as much as $2,550 in recent weeks.Is Gordon the Kansas City Royals' next great player? Could be. But that isn't why his card, which is No. 297 in Topps' 2006 set, is worth that kind of money.The piece of cardboard is worth that much only because it never should have been produced in the first place.Last year, in part to reduce confusion in the marketplace, the Major League Baseball Players Association ruled that card manufacturers could make rookie cards only of players who either made the 25-man roster or played in a major league game the season before. Gordon didn't qualify either way. After he led Nebraska into the College World Series, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2005 draft didn't sign his contract -- including a $4 million signing bonus -- until late September.At the last second, we realized we had made a mistake, so we pulled the cards, destroyed them by cutting out the photo and then destroyed the plates," said Topps spokesman Clay Luraschi.But a fan named Jeremy Troutman pulled five of Gordon's cards on a shopping trip in his hometown of Wichita, where, coincidentally, Gordon is playing Double-A ball for the Wranglers this season."I went to Wal-Mart, bought two boxes, and got two in the same pack," Troutman said. "So I bought seven more boxes and got another three in the same pack."Troutman, whose story first appeared in the Wichita Eagle, opened 1,000 packs to find his five cards. He sold all five of them to different collectors for a total of $5,761.79.Troutman had the right idea. The Gordon cards are believed to exist only in the earliest shipped packs, many of which went to Wal-Marts across the country.But before you raid your local Wal-Mart in search of a bonanza, you should know that the odds of a payday like Troutman's aren't in your favor. Fewer than 20 of the Gordon cards have shown up for sale on eBay, leading some in the collectibles industry to believe that the card is as rare as they come. Luraschi is confident that fewer than 100 cards got out.A few weeks ago, Jason Mauk, owner of the card store "In The Zone" in Hagerstown, Md., purchased one of the cards from the wholesaler who provides boxes for his store. After hearing the story, Mauk paid $1,000 for it. He then put it up on eBay and sold it for $1,425."I've sold thousands of cards online and I've never had 2,000 hits on one auction like I did in this case," Mauk said. "I've never had 100 people put a single auction on their watch list like I did with this card."John Schulteis, a 28-year-old from Mission, Kan., bought one of the Gordon cards from Troutman for $895. Schulteis, who buys to sell, currently has the card up for auction."The fact of the matter is that Topps is the most collected brand out there, and this card ruins it for people in that they won't be able to have it in their set," Schulteis said.The last major error of this magnitude in the trading card industry happened in 1989, when a Fleer card featuring Billy Ripken was released that carried an obscenity clearly written on the knob of the bat Ripken was holding. Fleer's attempted cover-up created more than six versions of that card, but the original remained the hottest property, selling for hundreds of dollars at the time. Today, that card can be had for $5.Some think the price of the Gordon card is worth more than other error cards because of his great potential as a player. In his first full season as a pro, Gordon is batting .326 with 6 home runs and 12 RBI with the Wranglers."If he turns out to be a superstar, the price can be sustained for a long time," said Rich Klein, price guide analyst for Beckett, a collectibles publisher. "If he's a flash in the pan, people will still remember it, but they won't care as much."But Schulteis doesn't agree that Gordon's star potential is much of a factor in the frenzy."The fact of the matter is that Topps is the most collected brand out there, and people won't be able to have a complete set without getting this card," Schulteis said. "The scarcity of the card means much more than the caliber of player this guy is or does become."Like the Ripken card, other versions of the Gordon card have emerged. One version has the photo missing and so just includes the thin card borders, and it has been selling in the $30 to $50 range. A full Gordon card that just has his name on the front and a blank on the back has sold in the $100 to $200 range.What does Gordon himself think? He was shocked when he first heard about the value of his card."One of my buddies said he searched the card online, just as a joke to see how much I was worth," Gordon said. "And he told me, 'Your card is selling for hundreds and hundreds of dollars.' I thought he was joking. It blew my mind."So far, Gordon hasn't come into possession of any of the valuable cards, but he says he does a double-take every time he signs an autograph to make sure he stays on the lookout for one.And he certainly isn't complaining about the error."Topps is helping to get my name out there," Gordon said. "I should send them a thank you card or something."Other notable Raerrors[/b]??? 1969 Topps Aurelio Rodriguez: picture of team batboy Leonard Garcia??? 1981 Fleer John Littlefield: picture is reversed??? 1985 Topps Gary Pettis: picture of Pettis' younger brother??? 1987 Donruss "Opening Day" Barry Bonds: picture of Johnny Ray??? 1985 Donruss Tom Seaver: picture of Floyd Bannister??? 1988 Topps Al Leiter: picture is Steve George??? 1989 Upper Deck Dale Murphy: picture is reversed??? 1989 Fleer Billy Ripken: obscenity on bat knob??? 1990 Donruss John Smoltz: picture of Tom Glavine??? 1990 Donruss Juan Gonzalez: picture is reversed??? 1990 Topps Frank Thomas: has no name on front

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  • hammertimehammertime 2,389 Posts
    who are the people paying ridiculous amounts for these? They will be worthless within a year or two. I remember all the Al Leiter and Billy Ripkin craziness when I was a kid, and what are those cards worth now?

  • kitchenknightkitchenknight 4,922 Posts
    who are the people paying ridiculous amounts for these? They will be worthless within a year or two. I remember all the Al Leiter and Billy Ripkin craziness when I was a kid, and what are those cards worth now?

    Amen...Billy Ripken was only cool because it was dirty and totally inappropriate. It was great being 10 years old, and going to the card shop and seeing something that had to be censored. But, I couldn't have given two 'Fuck Faces' over the old Dale Murphy Reverse Negative card that used to catch $200 because the photo was flipped around.

  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
    FYI

    If any of you were into the card thing when young (i was a 10 year old baller...with such great investments as a 50$ gold stamp grant hill rookie )

    and are trying to sell you shit

    I just found a soulstrutesque forum for card collectors

    google that

  • crossingscrossings 946 Posts
    when i used to collect baseball cards... this guy was always my favorite... BEST NAME EVER!!!


  • DrWuDrWu 4,021 Posts
    This card, if there are only 100, will be worth a mint for a long time. Baseball card completists make Beatles completists look soft.



  • Agent45Agent45 451 Posts
    FYI

    If any of you were into the card thing when young (i was a 10 year old baller...with such great investments as a 50$ gold stamp grant hill rookie )

    and are trying to sell you shit

    I was thinking that my baseball cards would still, by and large, be mostly worthless as a lot of 80s cards would be on the market for just this reason - people getting older and not caring about them, hence flooding the market. True? Or faulty strategy?

    I'd love to sell them, but can't be arsed with the work that would be involved when there are still records out there to find.

  • hammertimehammertime 2,389 Posts
    I sold almost all of mine about 8 or 10 years ago and for the most part the I grew up with were more or less worthless, which I think has more to do with the whole mailorder professional grading bullshit as anything else (same thing happened to comic books!). Oh and of course the ridiculous chase cards and all that crap didn't help either. The only ones I kept were a few 1909 era cards.

  • knewjakknewjak 1,231 Posts
    1989 Fleer Billy Ripken: obscenity on bat knob



    my personal favorite:






  • noznoz 3,625 Posts
    yeah i tried to sell my collection a few years back and it proved to be a waste of time.

    i hope my children appreciate harold miner for the former future legend he was.

  • hammertimehammertime 2,389 Posts




  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
    yeah i tried to sell my collection a few years back and it proved to be a waste of time.

    i hope my children appreciate harold miner for the former future legend he was.

    I feel you they go down in value but this forum had people looking for pecific players and shit so you ifnd 'the right buyer' better than selling them for 1$ a piece to some cardshop

  • jaymackjaymack 5,199 Posts
    1989 Fleer Billy Ripken: obscenity on bat knob



    my personal favorite:






    apparently the one with the edit is worth more. the first edit, which was made to say "fun face" or something. then all later pressings it was just blank.

  • JLRJLR 3,835 Posts
    After hearing the story, Mauk paid $1,000 for it. He then put it up on eBay and sold it for $1,425.

    OK, he made $425 minus fees. I mean, I heard stories about records on Ebay that make that number look small.

    Mauk, you suck.

  • kitchenknightkitchenknight 4,922 Posts
    yeah i tried to sell my collection a few years back and it proved to be a waste of time.

    i hope my children appreciate harold miner for the former future legend he was.

    Basically, if you collected from the mid-80s through the early-90s, the cards (yes, with exceptions) are for the most part, worthless. I used to do part time work at a focus group facility, and we did a study with Topps, and they kept refering to that era as the "overproduction years". Basically, cards got popular, they flooded the market, and it will take a lot to ever make those raer.

  • noznoz 3,625 Posts
    I feel you they go down in value but this forum had people looking for pecific players and shit so you ifnd 'the right buyer' better than selling them for 1$ a piece to some cardshop

    link?

  • hammertimehammertime 2,389 Posts
    i will never forget this. as a youngster i had this grand scheme of getting my entire 1988 Topps set (one of the most worthless complete sets EVER) autographed. Like every single card. I got one of those books that gives you people's addresses and actually got a handful signed. When a satellite dish fell on Bo Diaz a couple years later my dream was crushed along with his body.

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    i will never forget this. as a youngster i had this grand scheme of getting my entire 1988 Topps set (one of the most worthless complete sets EVER) autographed. Like every single card. I got one of those books that gives you people's addresses and actually got a handful signed. When a satellite dish fell on Bo Diaz a couple years later my dream was crushed along with his body.

    LOL

  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts
    I feel you they go down in value but this forum had people looking for pecific players and shit so you ifnd 'the right buyer' better than selling them for 1$ a piece to some cardshop

    link?

    http://www.sportscardforum.com/archive/index.php/f-88.html

    I dont think this is it though...i'm pissed i found it through google awhile back

    damn!

  • pacmanpacman 1,114 Posts




    I was trying to remember his name the other.....thanks.

    And yes, card collectros can make Beatles collectros look like squeezable charmin. Topps Heritage anyone?





  • I was trying to remember his name the other.....thanks.

    And yes, card collectros can make Beatles collectros look like squeezable charmin. Topps Heritage anyone?

    1989 upperdeck complete set had the same grail status to me as Stark REality has to others.

    I was pissed the day I accidently bent my Ken Griffey Jr.

    btw is the overproduction thing true about basketball cards too?

  • pcmrpcmr 5,591 Posts

    1989 upperdeck complete set had the same grail status to me as Stark REality has to others.

    I was pissed the day I accidently bent my Ken Griffey Jr.

    btw is the overproduction thing true about basketball cards too?

    I think we all had a bit of collectro in us..even as kids (although card owners tactics were similar to crackhouse..my parents would call the cardshop to talk to me i was 11 with a bank card )

    I think it may be true for basketball too

    However i traded some shit (comics i think) for a card in those glass protectors to a friend in 3rd grade



    it'll pay off

  • '89 Upper Deck was the shit. Everybody had to have that Griffey Junior. 1990 Leaf was a good one too(I see you Big Hurt!). 1991 Stadium Club..1992 Fleer Ultra..1992 Bowman...all that premier/glossy uv coating card shit killed it for me.

  • kitchenknightkitchenknight 4,922 Posts
    I've long said that collecting baseball cards had the biggest effect on my of anything I've ever done. It affected the way I learn, sort facts, my interests, collections, etc. I'm dying to write some pseudo-intellectual essay about the thing. But, I spend too much time here writing nonsense about records, baseball and bullshit.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    The reality and scope of Baseball Card collecting hit me about 15 years ago when I went to a Hotel that was hosting BOTH a Record Convention and a Baseball Card Show.

    In one room was a bunch of greasy haired, dandruff infested, bad hygiene middle aged men pulling crumpled up dollar bills out of their pockets while trying to talk a dealer down from $5.00 to $2.00 on an LP.

    And in the other room were a bunch of 10-14 year old kids carrying rolls of $20's that could choke a Dinosaur.

  • my friend pulled a mega raer autographed Rocket Ishmael out of a pack

    another friend won a Henderson rookie(when it was big money) out of a gumball-play your odds-type machine..but fuck that dude. later on in life he broke in my crib and robbed me for about a few thousand dollars worth of car audio. fucking prick.

  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    my friend pulled a mega raer autographed Rocket Ishmael out of a pack

    another friend won a Henderson rookie(when it was big money) out of a gumball-play your odds-type machine..but fuck that dude. later on in life he broke in my crib and robbed me for about a few thousand dollars worth of car audio. fucking prick.

    One of my "friends" did the same thing to me - when I left the room to piss - but it was all shit like '87 Topps Canseco rookies - stuff that seemed like big $$$ at the time. The fuckhead even brought the cards to school the next day and was showing them off to his friends. In retrospect, the only thing of value that he stole was a Mark McGwire '87 Topps. Honestly, even that's probably worth nothing. Interestingly enough, if he'd flipped a few more pages into that volume, he would have hit my 2/3-complete set of Fleer Premier Basketball cards. This was about a year before the Jordan ROC in that set hit $100, and then, stratospherically, $1000. Also missed, among other items, my Jerry Rice rookie. Like the novice digger who skips out on the raers to buy the bullshit BlackManFunkyAfroSoul LP. Nice jacket cover, bro.

    Hope that the one Mr. William Smith's current bail is set at $15.01, because if he's still got those McGwire and Canseco rookies of mine, then he's golden until his next meth bust.
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