South Dakota Bans Abortion

Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
edited February 2006 in Strut Central
Pretty fucked.
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  • Deep_SangDeep_Sang 1,081 Posts
    "In my opinion, it is the time for the South Dakota Legislature to deal with this issue and protect the lives and rights of unborn children," said Sen. Julie Bartling, a Democrat[/b] who is the bill's main sponsor.

    This thread title is misleading, but it's not a strictly republican action either. Scary.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/23/politics/main1339393.shtml

  • hcrinkhcrink 8,729 Posts
    Well, how else will in-breeding live on?

  • Setting up South Dakota to become the first state in 14 years to start a direct legal attack on Roe v. Wade, lawmakers voted on Wednesday to outlaw nearly all abortions.

    Across the country, abortion rights advocates reacted with outrage and dismay. The Planned Parenthood Federation of America, which runs the sole abortion clinic in South Dakota, said it was bracing to fight the move in court immediately, if the governor signs it.

    "This represents a monumental step backward for personal privacy for women," Nancy Keenan, president of Naral Pro-Choice America, said.

    Some opponents of abortion rights celebrated what they called a bold and brave move and lauded South Dakota for taking the lead in what they said they hoped would become a series of states to challenge Roe, the 1973 decision that made abortion legal.

    The shifting makeup of the United States Supreme Court, the opponents said, offered a crucial opportunity, the first since at least 1992.

    "It is a calculated risk, to be sure, but I believe it is a fight worth fighting," State Senator Brock L. Greenfield, a Clark Republican who is also director of the South Dakota Right to Life, told his colleagues in a hushed, packed chamber here.

    After more than an hour of fierce and emotional debate, the senators rejected pleas to add exceptions for incest or rape or for the health of the pregnant woman and instead voted, 23 to 12, to outlaw all abortions, except those to save the woman's life.

    They also rejected an effort to allow South Dakotans to decide the question in a referendum and an effort to prevent state tax dollars from financing what is certain to be a long and expensive court battle.

    To be enacted, the bill, the most sweeping ban approved in any state in more than a decade, requires the signature of Gov. Mike Rounds, a Republican, who opposes abortion.

    After overwhelmingly approving the measure this month, the House, too, has to vote on it again because the Senate slightly reworded it, although the intent of the bill was unchanged and the vote there seems unlikely to shift.

    Mr. Rounds has said he will not comment on whether he will sign the measure until it reaches his desk. It is likely to arrive there by next week. He has 15 days to make a decision.

    In an interview this week, Mr. Rounds said he had doubts about whether now was the time to make a "full frontal attack" on Roe v. Wade, as opposed to pressing for more laws that restrict abortions ??? setting limits, for instance, on their timing, methods or the requirements for parental notification.

    Those restrictions, he said, have immediate effects on preventing abortions in South Dakota.

    Mr. Rounds suggested that the two approaches might be possible simultaneously, particularly as a way to keep opponents of abortion rights from splintering over strategy questions. The key, he said, was in "saving lives while at the same time appeasing a segment that says you won't know unless you try the direct frontal attack."

    Lawmakers opposed to abortion rights here ??? and advocates opposed to abortion rights around the country ??? have been split over timing questions. Some argue that the arrivals of Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. on the Supreme Court and speculation that Justice John Paul Stevens might soon retire, made now an ideal time to challenge Roe.

    Others, however, have said a challenge should wait, for the arrival of additional justices who might be open to overturning Roe and for a shift in public opinion.

    Nancy Northrup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights, said the South Dakota action ??? similarly broad bans have recently been proposed in at least five other states ??? reminded her of a wave of state challenges to Roe in the years just before 1992, when the Supreme Court reaffirmed a core right to abortion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

    "People have this sense that the court is in flux and is shifting so they want to try to test out how far they can go," Ms. Northrup said. "The answer will be in how the new justices vote."

    On Wednesday in the Senate chamber, any division about strategy among opponents of abortion rights seemed to have vanished.

    "This state has a right and a duty to step up to the plate," Senator William M. Napoli, Republican of Rapid City, told his colleagues before he voted for the ban.

    It passed by a margin larger than many on both sides had predicted.

    Opponents, meanwhile, questioned the purpose of such a law and the potential costs of the litigation, and they recited harrowing stories of women who had become pregnant, for example, after having been raped.

    "What can we as a state possibly gain by passing a bill that is unconstitutional?" asked Senator Clarence Kooistra, Republican of Garretson, who added that he represented the "silent majority" of South Dakotans who would not approve outlawing abortion nearly entirely.

    Leaders of a movement against abortion rights in this state said they had raised $1 million in donations to help pay for the legal fight ahead.

    "I didn't want money to be the reason people wouldn't vote for this bill," said Leslee J. Unruh, founder and president of the Abstinence Clearinghouse in Sioux Falls, who said she could not disclose the identities of those who had pledged money. "We're concerned with the 800 children aborted here every year."

    After the vote, Kate Looby, state director of Planned Parenthood, left the statehouse promising to press Mr. Rounds to veto the bill.

    "I'm very hopeful that he will be a voice of reason in this process and will choose the health and safety of the women of South Dakota over the political tool that this bill was designed to be," Ms. Looby said.

    Failing that, she said, Planned Parenthood will sue, and it expects that a court will block the law from going into effect, while the case makes its way through the courts, a process that could take years.

    "It scares me," Ms. Looby said, "to think that may in fact be the reality for my daughter's generation."

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    Pretty fucked.

    Actually those two words are rarely used in South Dakota.

    The #1 Birth Control used in the state is 20/20 eyesight.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts

    After more than an hour of fierce and emotional debate, the senators rejected pleas to add exceptions for incest or rape or for the health of the pregnant woman and instead voted, 23 to 12, to outlaw all abortions, except those to save the woman's life.

    Wow.


  • After more than an hour of fierce and emotional debate, the senators rejected pleas to add exceptions for incest or rape or for the health of the pregnant woman and instead voted, 23 to 12, to outlaw all abortions, except those to save the woman's life.

    Wow.

    know what i mean? Like... what's the hell???


  • "This represents a monumental step backward for personal privacy for women,"

    Couldn't agree more.

  • well at least north dakota is there to protect canada from south dakota.

  • "This law almost certainly will never take effect, will never be used to prohibit anyone from having an abortion in South Dakota," says CBSNews.com legal analyst Andrew Cohen. "It will immediately be challenged, in federal court, where the judge will essentially be required to block its enforcement because it is contrary to the law of the land that at least for the time being recognizes abortion rights."

  • and honestly the rape/incest thing doesn't surprise me, I mean if you think a zygote/fetus is a little person you're certainly not going to want to put them to death just because they were a product of rape or incest.

  • I actually read this on reuters last night as I was sitting with my lady watching Project Runway. It really made me feel sick to turn to her and say "South Dakota just banned abortion". I can't imagine how women in that state must feel.

  • hcrinkhcrink 8,729 Posts
    well at least north dakota is there to protect canada from south dakota.

    oh shit! hahaha!!!

  • SupergoodSupergood 1,213 Posts

    the senators rejected pleas to add exceptions for incest or rape or for the health of the pregnant woman and instead voted, 23 to 12, to outlaw all abortions, except those to save the woman's life.

    Seriously fucked up and disgusting.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    Pretty fucked.

    Actually those two words are rarely used in South Dakota.


    ZING!

    Women of South Dakota: You didn't really think you'd get away with your diabolical scheme to control your own bodies, did you? You've been foiled, you nefarious bastards!

    (OK, I know this is meant to be a trigger law to be used as an assault on Roe v. Wade now that the Supreme Court is considerably more right-wing, but still...the contempt for women is rather disgusting.)

  • at least for the time being

    Unfortunately, these are the operative words in this sentence. This is sets the stage for the ultimate showdown on reproductive rights. These people are fucking barbarian neandrathal pigs and I'm ashamed to breath the same air as them.

  • "This represents a monumental step backward for personal privacy for women,"

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    "This law almost certainly will never take effect, will never be used to prohibit anyone from having an abortion in South Dakota," says CBSNews.com legal analyst Andrew Cohen. "It will immediately be challenged, in federal court, where the judge will essentially be required to block its enforcement because it is contrary to the law of the land that at least for the time being recognizes abortion rights."

    No, it's largely a symbolic gesture--in fact, I think laws banning abortion already exist in several states, relics of the pre-Roe v. Wade era.

    Roe v. Wade remains controlling law.

    However, what South Dakota's legislators are clearly hoping to do is to position themselves to challenge that ruling, which is very troubling. It's a very tenuous decision legally and a pretty aggressive example of judicial legislation. It has survived this long because a majority of the Court consistently recognized it as a good end despite the questionable means and because they did not want to face the wrath of the American public. Now, however, your president is packing the Court with justices specifically tasked with overturning it.


  • MjukisMjukis 1,675 Posts
    Next step: Reinstate anti-witch laws and start witch-hunting.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    Next step: Reinstate anti-witch laws and start witch-hunting.



    "And what burns besides witches?"
    "Mooooooooooore witches!"

    As long as I've brought up Monty Python, I'd like to point out that "Every Sperm Is Sacred" is meant to be a joke song, not a national reproductive health policy proposal. Somebody might want to clue the government in on that.

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    "This represents a monumental step backward for personal privacy for women,"

    not to mention the democratic process that is so revered

    They also rejected an effort to allow South Dakotans to decide the question in a referendum and an effort to prevent state tax dollars from financing what is certain to be a long and expensive court battle.

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    However, what South Dakota's legislators are clearly hoping to do is to position themselves to challenge that ruling, which is very troubling. It's a very tenuous decision legally and a pretty aggressive example of judicial legislation. It has survived this long because a majority of the Court consistently recognized it as a good end despite the questionable means and because they did not want to face the wrath of the American public. Now, however, your president is packing the Court with justices specifically tasked with overturning it.

    They really didn't waste any time trying to force this issue

    Interesting how those who speak out against 'judicial activists' and 'legislating from the bench' are the ones most interested in... judicial activism and legislating from the bench

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    "This represents a monumental step backward for personal privacy for women,"

    not to mention the democratic process that is so revered

    They also rejected an effort to allow South Dakotans to decide the question in a referendum and an effort to prevent state tax dollars from financing what is certain to be a long and expensive court battle.

    I didn't read the article above, but it may not have mentioned that a private donor has stated he's willing to pony up up to a million dollars to finance the court battle so the latter isn't an issue

  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
    i miss tom daschle.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    Interesting how those who speak out against 'judicial activists' and 'legislating from the bench' are the ones most interested in... judicial activism and legislating from the bench

    Well, that's been clear for some time. They don't give a shit about "judicial activism" and "legislating from the bench" or any of the other catch-phrases they tossed about. They just didn't want judges they don't agree with doing those things.

    Also, good call on ignoring the revered democratic process, missbassie. So many anti-choice people I see like to couch their position in those terms: "I just want the people of America to decide, not nine jerks in black robes!" The fact that those same people are now cackling with glee over this South Dakota development pretty much puts that lie to bed.

  • So are they now the: "Inbred from Mommy and Daddy which are my Cousin/Uncle State"? It's so fucking embarassing and frightening to live in this country now.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    Most people in this country are pro-choice, but public opinion is trending away from this view due to the concerted and, I hate to say, brilliant strategies employed by the pro-life crowd. They even have a better name. Pro-life. I mean, shit! Pro-life?!? How can you not be pro-life?

    Pro-choice groups have failed miserably over the past several years to articulate pro-choice arguments that stand up to other simple, yet very effective constructs, such as ???life begins at conception.??? That is a powerful emotional argument. Most importantly, it is simple and straightforward. Trying to counter this with otherwise reasoned arguments related to medical freedom and/or reproductive rights has clearly been ineffective.

    Think about this:

    Pro-choice vs. Pro-life

    Life begins at conception. vs. A woman???s right to choose.

    Time to rethink. They are winning and that is sad.

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    Another powerful entry in the war of words (I agree FB, the conservative right is decades ahead in this dept):

    "partial-birth abortion"

    The left needs to fire up some damn thinktanks and get to work on the PR campaign or all is lost
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