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Rapp references to Bernard Goetz?

Terry_ClubbupTerry_Clubbup 833 Posts
edited May 2009 in Strut Central
I am seeking rapp references to Bernard Goetz. Other than a few non-sequiturs mentioned below, I can't think of any, which is surprising. The Goetz incident was such a big deal when it happened, I would have thought there would be whole songs about it, or at least a greater number of scattered references. Keep in mind that the Goetz incident occurred in 1984, which may have been a bit early in terms of rappers directly confronting social problems.My theory is that references will fall into two categories:1. Grudging Respect or A New Boogeyman view of Goetz. examples:Kool Keith from "NYC Street Battle" by Ultra:"No threats; don't sleep on me you slept on Bernard GoetzWith a Berkowitz twist, your projects heard of this"L.L. Cool J from "Why Do You Think They Call it Dope?""Let your friends gas him up, talk trash and make betsthen he gets played like those kids who tried to rob Goetz"2. Resentment or Vigilante-for-the-Vigilante view. example:Genius from "Clan In Da Front" by Wu-Tang:"Wu-Tang's comin thru with Full Metal JacketsGod squad that's mad hard to serveCome frontin hard, then Bernhard Goetz what he deserves"

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  • deathvalley90210deathvalley90210 398 Posts
    beastie boys from "stop that train"

    "Trench coat wing tip going to work
    And you'll be pulling a train like Captain Kirk
    Pick pocket gangsters paying their debts
    I caught a bullet in the lung from Bernie Goetz"

    i don't think it falls in either.
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts

    1. Grudging Respect or A New Boogeyman view of Goetz. examples:

    Kool Keith from "NYC Street Battle" by Ultra:
    "No threats; don't sleep on me you slept on Bernard Goetz
    With a Berkowitz twist, your projects heard of this"

    Kool Keith later revisited the Goetz theme on "Wild & Crazy" as Dr. Octagon:

    "I put some diss in the steps, and damage all your reps
    Get off the hooks in project style like Bernard Goetz"
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    An OHHLA search unearth's the following jewel from House of Pain's contribution to the Jerky Boys soundtrack:

    "I gotta good attorney so the man can't burn me
    Presley to the Jackson, Goetz to the Bernie"

    I read this is as some sort of troubled signifier of whiteness, i.e., not all white dudes are punks.
  • keithvanhornkeithvanhorn 3,855 Posts
    some of these sound complimentary
  • deathvalley90210deathvalley90210 398 Posts
    now that i think about it, i guess the beastie boys quote could fall into the "A New Boogeyman" category. that said, it could be argued that nearly any reference to him could fall into that category--any mention of his name relies on an acknowledgment of his "boogey man" status by the listener. the beastie boys quote plays with this telling the listener that the speaker was attacked by goetz and lived to brag about it.
  • ScottScott 420 Posts
    Two immediately sprung to mind which weren't mentioned yet. Big L's line from "The Graveyard":

    "And if ya squad flex/I'm lettin off like Bernard Goetz"

    And Ras Kass's from "Marinatin'":

    "Threw on some Gautier and my Rolex link dressed to kill like Bernard Goetz"

    They seem to fall in the "adoration" category.
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts

    And Ras Kass's from "Marinatin'":

    "Threw on some Gautier and my Rolex link dressed to kill like Bernard Goetz"

    Gaultier makes men's clothes?
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    I think that's your boy Chan's lane. Ask him.
  • ScottScott 420 Posts
    Not sure, but they make men's cologne.
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    I think that's your boy Chan's lane. Ask him.

    Further research reveals that he does:

  • ScottScott 420 Posts
    I think Ras could pull that off.
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    I think that's your boy Chan's lane. Ask him.

    Further research reveals that he does:


    Dressed to kill!
  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    I think that's your boy Chan's lane. Ask him.

    Further research reveals that he does:


    Dressed to kill! my appetite[/b]
  • Big_ChanBig_Chan 5,088 Posts
    I think that's your boy Chan's lane. Ask him.



    You got JOKES Jonny!!! LOL! Did you get the pink Escada outfit you told me about?

    It would really be comedy if hardcore rappers started wearing Jean Paul Gaultier outfits.....


  • Terry_ClubbupTerry_Clubbup 833 Posts
    An OHHLA search unearth's the following jewel from House of Pain's contribution to the Jerky Boys soundtrack:

    "I gotta good attorney so the man can't burn me
    Presley to the Jackson, Goetz to the Bernie"

    I read this is as some sort of troubled signifier of whiteness, i.e., not all white dudes are punks.


    What on earth does "Presley to the Jackson" mean?


    Thanks for the contributions folks, I had forgotten about or never noticed all of these. Seems like most of the references are facile non-sequitur stand-ins for "boogeyman", you know like I'm twice as horrifying as Vincent Price, or, like Jeffrey Dahmer I'll murder your mama.

    I was thinking Public Enemy could have had a song called "Burn Bernie Burn"
  • The_NonThe_Non 5,691 Posts
    I think that's your boy Chan's lane. Ask him.



    You got JOKES Jonny!!! LOL! Did you get the pink Escada outfit you told me about?

    It would really be comedy if hardcore rappers started wearing Jean Paul Gaultier outfits.....



    Pop caps to make your top hat flop back
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Thanks to Joe Schloss he reminded me that the song I was thinking of was this one:



    Peep 2:40 for the Goetz ref
  • shawnald_reaganshawnald_reagan 318 Posts
    Since I was four and living in Indianapolis I had to have some help figuring out who the hell this dude was:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz
    For anyone else interested...
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Goetz was one of my earliest avatars and shit got removed.
  • LokoOneLokoOne 1,823 Posts
    I think that's your boy Chan's lane. Ask him.

    Further research reveals that he does:


    Would love to see RasKass walking round C Arson wearing this outfit......
  • The_NonThe_Non 5,691 Posts
    Batmon, I thought your first avatar was Batman running around with a cauldron?
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Batmon, I thought your first avatar was Batman running around with a cauldron?

    nope...

  • Terry_ClubbupTerry_Clubbup 833 Posts
    Thanks to Joe Schloss he reminded me that the song I was thinking of was this one:



    Peep 2:40 for the Goetz ref


    That is a great video. I never heard that song.

    Right after the Goetz reference, he says:

    "I'm like the Black Steven Seagal
    You say you ain't scared, but you better check yo drawers..."

    He also references Jeffrey Dahmer earlier in the song:

    "I leave that ass like Dahmer
    Architect, comma
    Wanna baddle me, save that drama for your mama"
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    They also say, "do you like Michael Jackson did those little boys."

    Ummm.....
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