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<blockquote><blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">BobDesperado</strong> said:</div><div><blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">LaserWolf</strong> said:</div><div><blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">Frank</strong> said:</div><div><blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">LaserWolf</strong> said:</div><div>The National Socialist government of Nazi Germany was, in my understanding, explicitly anti-Christian. <br />
	The official religion, to the degree there was one, was of Norse gods. <br />
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	The Nazi's hated the Catholic church. The Vatican saw godless fascism as preferable to godless communism. <br />
	The relationship with the Lutheran church was more muted.</div></blockquote>
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	Also wrong, see my post above and read up on the contract called "Konkordat" signed between Nazi Germany and the Vatican on July 20th of 1933.</div></blockquote>
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	The purpose or the Concordat was to stop Nazi persecution of Catholics. </div></blockquote>
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	That is not even remotely true.<br />
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	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat</div></blockquote>
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	You are right. It was not "the purpose" as I said, it was "a purpose".<br />
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	From the start of the article you linked to:<br />
	"Concordats have been used to create binding agreements to safeguard church interests and its freedom to act, particularly in countries that do not have strong jurisprudence guaranteeing government non-interference in religious matters or in countries where the church seeks a privileged position under government patronage."<br />
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	And then:<br />
	"Hitler adroitly passed laws restricting movement of funds (making it impossible for German Catholics to send money to missionaries, for instance), restricting religious institutions and education, and mandating attendance at Hitler Youth functions (held on Sunday mornings to interfere with Church attendance), thereby pushing negotiation for a concordat more in favor of the Nazi regime. Indeed, as a result, the need for a concordat seemed even more urgent to Church officials."<br />
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	And then under Terms Of the Concordat:<br />
	"Protection of Catholic organizations and freedom of religious practice. (Article 31)"<br />
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	And then"<br />
	"Church leaders were realistic[specify] about the Concordat???s supposed protections.[8] Cardinal Faulhaber is reported to have said:<br />
	???     With the concordat we are hanged, without the concordat we are hanged, drawn and quartered.[9In Rome the Vatican secretary of state, Cardinal Pacelli (later Pius XII), told the British minister to the Holy See that he had signed the treaty with a pistol at his head. Hitler was sure to violate the agreement, Pacelli said ??? adding with gallows humor that he would probably not violate all its provisions at once.[8]<br />
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	When the Nazi government violated the concordat (in particular article 31), bishops and the papacy protested against these violations. Between September 1933 and March 1937 Pacelli issued over seventy notes and memoranda protesting such violations, culminating in his draft of the 1937 papal encyclical Mit brennender Sorge ("With Burning Concern") issued by Pope Pius XI.[8]]"<br />
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	Gosh Bob, I don't know, did you read the article you linked too? Seems to suggest it was closely related to  stopping the Nazi persecution of Catholics and the Catholic church. <br />
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	Or did you mean to link to a different article?</blockquote>
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	In light of the general ways in which Nazis actually persecuted people they didn't like, it is genuinely obscene for you to refer to these trifling interferences as "persecution."<br />
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	The Church had its nose up Hitler's ass even before he took full power.

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