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<blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">luck</strong> said:</div><div>It's odd how those flying to Obama's support here weren't doing the same thing when the sanctioned/unsanctioned atrocities at Abu Ghraib happened under George W. Bush's watch. There are scattered differences, of course: I believe that Biden is no Chaney, that our President is an intelligent human being that is somewhat caught in a thicket, and also that the latter hasn't yet condoned torture in to the world (one of the last few meaningful promises he hasn't turned his back on to date, even if it wouldn't surprise any of us if evidence was shown that torture at the hands of or sanctioned by the US Government still exists). If nothing else, the fact remains the same: had Obama sped up the withdrawal from this mire of a war, these photos wouldn't have been taken. Our President is Commander-In-Chief, and the blame is his to wear like a mantle.<br />
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	The fact that these men are being prosecuted will not bring back the lost lives and crushed Afghani families, and it will not quell the recruitment efforts of vile extremist groups that prey on the fear these acts instill. As a humanist, I ask you: if the United States was occupied territory, and three of your family, friends, acquaintances, or even total neighborhood strangers were treated in such a manner by men and women resembling the soldiers posted on your street, what would your honest reaction be? </div></blockquote>
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	It's quite possible that an immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan once Obama became president would have prevented these particular deaths.<br />
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	They would have been replaced by other deaths, of course.  <br />
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	The phrase "scattered differences" is a rich one.  I guess I give Obama this much credit.  Instead of pulling out immediately he felt we had a collective obligation to try to make things better before we left.  I don't think that's a bad policy.  I do think we should have been out by now, but saying we should have pulled out immediately with no regard for the consequences seems silly.<br />
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	As to your question about occupation - I think I've answered it already.  I'm opposed to any occupation of Libya.  But I'm not opposed to enforcing a no-fly zone to give the rebels a chance.  There's no hypocrisy there.  I also supported a no-fly zone to help the Kurds against Saddam in Iraq, back when it mattered.

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