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<blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">Horseleech</strong> said:</div><div><blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">BobDesperado</strong> said:</div><div><blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">Horseleech</strong> said:</div><div>LMFAO, but go ahead, please tell the story of how independent/third party candidates shaped America. <br />
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	(Though if that Nader fellow runs 60 more times or so he may end up as the mayor of somewhere)</div></blockquote>
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	Laugh your fucking ass off all you want.  The Republican Party was founded in 1854 by anti-slavery forces.  It was kind of a big deal and shaped America at least a little.<br />
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	Roosevelt's Progressive Party elected hundreds of local candidates between 1912 and 1916.  He came in second in the presidential election that year.<br />
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	You can debate the importance of the Progressive Party but it was pro-suffrage and advocated for a lot of the reforms that were eventually enacted under FDR.<br />
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	I think George Wallace's 1968 showing accelerated the conversion of the Republican Party to a South-based party that used racial resentment as a major electoral tool.  He won several states - it wasn't a minor effort.<br />
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	Then there's Ross Perot.  You may think Clinton would have won in '92 even if Perot hadn't run, but I'm not sure that's true.</div></blockquote>
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	I'm pretty sure 1854 is more than 150 years ago (see my original post)<br />
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	The Progressive party never fully split from the Republican party, many candidates referred to themselves as 'Progressive Republicans' or some such. After four years they all rejoined the Republican party.<br />
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	Do you actually believe America is not a two party country? Really? If not what is your point anyway?<br />
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	Please be real, everything you posted doesn't add up to much in the scheme of things.</div></blockquote>
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	I think my point was fairly straightforward and added up to at least as much as what you've posted here.  I never claimed to have a major, life-altering point here, but the notion that third parties and independents have been of no importance in US politics is simply wrong factually.<br />
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	What's your point?  That nothing matters unless it results in some sort of cataclysmic, immediate change?  That's kind of a childish view of history.

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