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<blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">keithvanhorn</strong> said:</div><div><blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">sabadabada</strong> said:</div><div><blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">keithvanhorn</strong> said:</div><div><blockquote class="Quote"><div><strong class="bc-author">sabadabada</strong> said:</div><div><br />
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	Look at  who the biggest donors are.  Unions.  Not corporations.  Should unions have those rights?  Corporations are made up of thousands, sometimes millions of individual shareholders.  Can anyone here do better than an argument  "things I like are right and constitutional.  Thinkgs I don't like are wrong and unconstitutional"?</div></blockquote>
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	You are confusing lobbying statistics with donations to candidates, political parties, issue minded groups like the NRA and the thousands of bullshit political action committees.  I don't know where you got your statistics about lobbying, but assuming they are true, you can't possibly believe that the Teachers Union  spends more than big tobacco or big oil on the funding of all the other groups i just mentioned.  There are also numerous loopholes for the political action commitees to avoid disclosing who their donors are, so it is virtually impossible to tell where corporations are spending money.  <br />
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	Labor is extremely powerful because of their numbers (people), but I just don't get how you fail to see that business has more money than the people they employ.</div></blockquote>
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	You care to offer up any proof other than that what you might think I could possibly believe?</div></blockquote>
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	Proof of your ignorance?  Your comparison of unions to corporations is ridiculous from the start. Unions represent individual laborers in a given industry.  Corporations represent shareholders....in their respective corporations.  There are millions of corporations.  <br />
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	To say that the teacher's union (which has millions of members) outspent xyz corporation....what is your point?  The relevant question would be whether a union outspent the collection of corporations who makeup ALL of the employers for a given industry.  Not to mention the fact that the US Chamber of Commerce (a generic pro business  group) donates ridiculous amounts of money to the GOP.  <br />
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	I think this idea that corporations are not the clear drivers of lobbying and political donations might be your worst argument yet.</div></blockquote>
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	And then there's Fox News, which is just the GOP's propaganda arm.  There is no Democratic equivalent.  What's that worth?

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