Purdie or Muhammad?
tabira 856 Posts
edited March 2013 in Strut Central
I'm an Idris man myself. I realise that all the prestige joints I keep coming back to have him on them (same for CTI and Kudu too). It's a less is more thing - less hi hat, less bass drum - but right where it matters.
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On the other hand, Idris can fool you by playing jazz in that way you'll never recognize Idris in the song...
That Idris Muhammad & Joe Lovano cd on Cannonball Records for instance, drums & sax only & enjoyable from start to finish. So my vote: Muhammad
yeah I was surprised to discover Idris drummed on Walter Bishop's Coral Keys when I finally bothered to read the line up years after buying it. I can tell him a mile away with the funky stuff but not when he's doing it straight ahead when he really blends in.
Just 'cos Idris throws some curveballs, Purdie is more doggie-tail-pounding-the-floor. Both great players.
Idris if only for Lorans Dance.
I always found it really odd that any drummer let alone one as proficient as Purdie would choose The Beatles to steal the credit from. I mean they were at the top of their game in almost every department except drumming. It's like stealing the credit from Kenny G for his searching improvisation.
so have purdie's bealtes claims been thoroughly debunked.
I was surprised just to hear that he was even serious about it in the first place. When I first heard of it I assumed it was tasteless swipe intended to point out the gulf between his talents and Ringo's.
Purdie says it was just him and a producer and engineer adding a drum track in the studio and everybody was paid to shut up. If to be believed he's the only one still alive that was there so it's pretty convenient for his story. I think someone showed how it was unlikely that any Beatles people would have even been in the states at the time due to some promo tour in Europe or something. The chemtrails and making it all fuzzy............
i love them both but will vote james black for the king foil and clyde for the same spot as idris and bernard
A number of people have written about the factors that make Purdie's story improbable at best.
I don't buy it either. A lot of his claims just don't add up, like the one that Brian Epstein brought him in for the sessions, with only a couple of other people around. Given the limitations of technology at the time, and George Martin's attention to detail, there's no way that could have been done behind his back without him noticing the difference in the finished product upon hearing it later. There's also the fact that Purdie claims it was done at Capitol... except the earliest Beatles US releases were not on Capitol (nor were the UK releases), meaning that for some of the songs in question, which had already been released at the time he claims the sessions took place, the drums on the Capitol versions would be different from the previously released ones (they're not, obviously).
He's been saying for who knows how many years that the details will be in his autobiography. That'll be interesting, if it ever happens.
One of the best drummers out there, to be sure, and definitely contributed to a lot of famous recordings, but I think he went too far with this one.
So as much as I enjoy Purdie, maybe I have to go with Idris, based on that alone.
It was all downhill after Blueberry Hill for me.
They were never bunked to begin with. Chemtrails-level nonsensical.
Me too. I notice often when it breaks down to Purdie, his drumming is almost too exactly 'on' for me, almost cold and machine like. Obviously he's an incredible drummer but I just enjoy Idris's playing more.
Edit- I saw idris's play with Ahmad Jamal in 2003, he walked onto stage fully hunched and slowly- an old man - but as soon as he sat behind the drums he played with the energy of a 25 year old.
Purdie is all about being in the pocket, Idris can move in and out of the pocket with equal skill.
Idris on versatility alone.