poorly looped loops
ako
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what are some of the most off loops youve ever heard? off the top of my head i can only think of two that really stick out in my mind1. some song i heard on some 1996 "acid jazz" comp...they looped up the bobby hutcherson drums, but the loop is seriously missing like a whole 16th note. so noticeable it hurts...2. this one isnt bad, its not even that noticeable...but the looping of those IBB drums on "looking down the barrel of a gun" always bothered me ever so slightly..its like just barely off...any others? i was thinking about this for a while during my break at work today..haha
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- J
What about producers clipping into the attack of a snare to give it extra bite? WACK!!!
It's either the snare in the loop or the added snare hit. There are two snares. One of them is offset. First bar is cool, 2nd one slightly offset, 3rd bar obviously offset, 4th bar totally offset. Didn't they notice? Sounds horrible! Poorly looped! Sloppy!
A lot of beats are lazily done. They needed to choppa choppa each bar and stretch them to match timewise.
Here are some poorly looped loops that I've noticed:
-I always thought that the last two counts (3-4) of the "One for All" loop in by Brand Nubian came in harsh and sounded choppy. I chalked that sound up to assigning the loops to separate pads on the SP-1200.
-Also, I noticed that the Gary Burton loop ("Walter L") came in out-of-time during the fadeout of "One Time for Your Mind" by Nas.
-The two-bar loop part on Boogie Down Productions on "Gimme Dat (Woy)".
-The multiple breaks ("Catch a Groove" and "Funky Drummer") on "Funky (Remix)" by Ultramagnetic MC's weren't synched up well. The sloppiness of this sounded dope though.
Peace,
Big Stacks from Kakalak
That said, I also respect it when someone gets involved with the intricate editing to make a whole mess of samples sound like the whole thing was lifted off one single track.
I reckon the only thing that identifies truly shite sampling is the pops and clicks where the sound wasn't cut cleanly so the waveform doesn't match up at the start and finish points. Now THAT..........
My dude who makes beats chops his drums like that and every fucking god damn hit has that annoying ass pop on it. Shit makes me want to stab myself and others.
-e
i liked it at first, now i can't really fug with it anymore.
but yeah, it does add that human drummer element to it.
I do too sometimes. Like hate it or love it is pretty sloppy, even though its not a complete loop, but the way they chopped it sorta sloppy is fresh.
I used to timstretch and get all anal about it, but thats really not neccesary.
No offense to KidGusto, buuuut...
I always hate to hear that "Sloppy", poorly timed drums make a track sound more like a real drummer. I think thats an insult to musicians. No drummer worth his salt would ever sound so stuttery and amatuer as all these neo soul-ish, akwardly swung drum tracks. A real drummer practices years to sound perfect and, well , metronomic.
Anyone making tracks like that thinking "fresh!, look how musical i sound!" is pretty moronic IMO. At the very least id say they have spent little to no time behind a drum kit, or proabbaly any instrument for that matter.
human error is always present with any drummer. you can work all you want to sound like a metronome, but it will never sound like a quantized drum machine.
*oh and when making beats, I never want my produced stuff to sound like a quantized drum machine anyway.
and no disrespect taken man, but to say i dont know whats up with playing the kit would be a mistake.
Word. And you can hear the "Get Out of My Life" drums go off here and there in "Stoned Is the Way of the Walk." That kinda shit makes it sound so funky, though. I'm definitely in the "a little sloppiness is good" camp.
Of course there is human error involved in the playing of any instrument. BUT, a real drummer is never so off so that you cant even bob your head to a track (obviously im talkign popular music... some avant garde free jazz type ish is irrelavant to what we are talking about, IMO). I think a prime example of what im talking about is Gangstarrs last album*. Not only was the swing way overdone, but the highhat programming was atrocious. The whole no high hat, early kick, late snare style just reminds me of my little brother trying to play drums. Eh.
*not the worst offender by any means, but one that struck me.
its all about trying something different with that drum machine....
to each their own brethren.
respect.
First thing in my head too! but like they say, some are
i might be opening a whole new can of worms here, but... are you saying that all the skill that shadow has is some downtempo gayness?
can you really back that up? to me dj shadow got crazy respect, because he worked hard as shit doing what he loves to do, like we all do.
being apart of the whole solesides project is no pippy pappy shit either.
don't let his fame get in the way of his real skill, because dude is dude because of it.
peas.
Yeah, what he said!!!! And to add on, I'm a drummer that has played for 30 years. As some have said, yes the goal of a good drummer is to keep perfect timing, so I agree with what representatives of that camp (e.g., Gamble) have said. But, in listening to hip-hop, I can tolerate some minor off-time programming (e.g., J-Dilla is a master at it). I also agree that if it's too sloppy, it can be disruptive to head-bobbin' and dancin' (for those clubby types out there). Like anything else, moderation is the key. By the way, I thought Primo's "The Ownerz" programming was butt too (as were the beats in general). I kept that CD in rotation for less than a week (and I'm a die-hard Gangstarr fan).
Peace,
Big Stacks from Kakalak
they had the wicked awesome ill loops.
one of my favs.
thanks kevin beachum for hooking that up.