I've only met a few people who recommended Jarmusch films who werent simply trying to sound cultured/cooler/hipper/whatthever-er through the use of his name.
that said, i've only seen 1 jarmucsch flick and i didnt like it that much.
wes anderson however i believe has real talent, but i think once he adopted his autuer hip status, the game changed the man. he went from nerdy dorky film geek with glasses to long flaxen haired brooding hipster director. i kind of feel like his films have suffered as well. Darjeeling Limited was such a huge step backwards for him imo.
I havent seen the fantastic mr fox though.
in other words: wes anderson to me seems to be suffering from his indie darling status elevation. and well jarmusch, as he is an indie darling as well, i dont believe ever was an amazing director.
I am not opposed to Miss Natalie and Miss Mila romancing the stone, but I think they are both terrible casting choices for this kind of film.
I don't have alternates just yet, I'll have to think about it.
i'm curious who you would lke to see instead. i never felt like i had any kind of special skill at recognizing what individuals shoudl fill certain roles, so drop some opinions bassie!
I am not opposed to Miss Natalie and Miss Mila romancing the stone, but I think they are both terrible casting choices for this kind of film.
I don't have alternates just yet, I'll have to think about it.
i'm curious who you would lke to see instead. i never felt like i had any kind of special skill at recognizing what individuals shoudl fill certain roles, so drop some opinions bassie!
If she was still young enough, Isabelle Adjani would be the one to go with.
I don't even know who's good right now who would still be the right age for the role. Natalie Mendoza and Shauna Macdonald redux? Im Soo Jung? Jocelin Donahue? Amanda Seyfried? I dunno, I would be no good at casting either.
I've only met a few people who recommended Jarmusch films who werent simply trying to sound cultured/cooler/hipper/whatthever-er through the use of his name.
that said, i've only seen 1 jarmucsch flick and i didnt like it that much.
wes anderson however i believe has real talent, but i think once he adopted his autuer hip status, the game changed the man. he went from nerdy dorky film geek with glasses to long flaxen haired brooding hipster director. i kind of feel like his films have suffered as well. Darjeeling Limited was such a huge step backwards for him imo.
I havent seen the fantastic mr fox though.
in other words: wes anderson to me seems to be suffering from his indie darling status elevation. and well jarmusch, as he is an indie darling as well, i dont believe ever was an amazing director.
So, you've seen one whole film by Jarmusch but because you don't like his fans, you don't believe he was ever an amazing director? Huh?
But Anderson is a real talent!
I'll talk movies all day, but I am not really interested in bringing people on to my side of things. You either enjoy a movie or you don't - the filmmaker's so-called talent is only part of it.
Anderson, I am sure is talented, but for me his movies are unengaging at best and unbearable at worst. I don't like or care about anyone in them and their problems do not touch me in the slightest.
It is funny that Jarmush is accused of being part of some weird elite group. More than the other two directors, his films are mostly about regular people with some not-too-contrived problems.
I am not opposed to Miss Natalie and Miss Mila romancing the stone, but I think they are both terrible casting choices for this kind of film.
I don't have alternates just yet, I'll have to think about it.
i'm curious who you would lke to see instead. i never felt like i had any kind of special skill at recognizing what individuals shoudl fill certain roles, so drop some opinions bassie!
If she was still young enough, Isabelle Adjani would be the one to go with.
I don't even know who's good right now who would still be the right age for the role. Natalie Mendoza and Shauna Macdonald redux? Im Soo Jung? Jocelin Donahue? Amanda Seyfried? I dunno, I would be no good at casting either.
Yea - it's hard these days. Adjani is a great pick.
Beatrice Dalle and Huppert, too, if they were younger.
I keep coming back to the Amira Cesar from Anatomy of Hell or even Caroline Ducey from Romance - Breillat has good young actresses. Asia Argento?
Mati Diop? - She is beautiful and was amazing to watch in Claire Denis' 35 Shots.
Clea DuVall? lol I guess she doesn't really scream graceful ballet dancer!
Sheeeeeeit - even Jennifer Connelly!
I would always choose someone unknown to be honest, so they make the role fresh and don't bring "famous person" baggage to the character.
I've only met a few people who recommended Jarmusch films who werent simply trying to sound cultured/cooler/hipper/whatthever-er through the use of his name.
that said, i've only seen 1 jarmucsch flick and i didnt like it that much.
wes anderson however i believe has real talent, but i think once he adopted his autuer hip status, the game changed the man. he went from nerdy dorky film geek with glasses to long flaxen haired brooding hipster director. i kind of feel like his films have suffered as well. Darjeeling Limited was such a huge step backwards for him imo.
I havent seen the fantastic mr fox though.
in other words: wes anderson to me seems to be suffering from his indie darling status elevation. and well jarmusch, as he is an indie darling as well, i dont believe ever was an amazing director.
So, you've seen one whole film by Jarmusch but because you don't like his fans, you don't believe he was ever an amazing director? Huh?
But Anderson is a real talent!
I'll talk movies all day, but I am not really interested in bringing people on to my side of things. You either enjoy a movie or you don't - the filmmaker's so-called talent is only part of it.
Anderson, I am sure is talented, but for me his movies are unengaging at best and unbearable at worst. I don't like or care about anyone in them and their problems do not touch me in the slightest.
It is funny that Jarmush is accused of being part of some weird elite group. More than the other two directors, his films are mostly about regular people with some not-too-contrived problems.
hahaha, i jsut got son'ed.
but you're right, my above statements were pretty piss poor at explaining what i meant.
am i allowed to add that i am open to watching more jarmusch flicks at some point in my life and having my opinion change or did i already put my foot in my mouth?
i just wasnt drawn to watch more jarmusch after seeing down by law whereas bottle rocket really drew me in for some reason. i dont put wes anderson in my personal list of favorites but i like his rather specific aesthetic, something i feel is lost in a lot of directors.
I am not opposed to Miss Natalie and Miss Mila romancing the stone, but I think they are both terrible casting choices for this kind of film.
I don't have alternates just yet, I'll have to think about it.
i'm curious who you would lke to see instead. i never felt like i had any kind of special skill at recognizing what individuals shoudl fill certain roles, so drop some opinions bassie!
If she was still young enough, Isabelle Adjani would be the one to go with.
I don't even know who's good right now who would still be the right age for the role. Natalie Mendoza and Shauna Macdonald redux? Im Soo Jung? Jocelin Donahue? Amanda Seyfried? I dunno, I would be no good at casting either.
Yea - it's hard these days. Adjani is a great pick.
Beatrice Dalle and Huppert, too, if they were younger.
I keep coming back to the Amira Cesar from Anatomy of Hell or even Caroline Ducey from Romance - Breillat has good young actresses. Asia Argento?
Mati Diop? - She is beautiful and was amazing to watch in Claire Denis' 35 Shots.
Clea DuVall? lol I guess she doesn't really scream graceful ballet dancer!
Sheeeeeeit - even Jennifer Connelly!
I would always choose someone unknown to be honest, so they make the role fresh and don't bring "famous person" baggage to the character.
can you recommend me some awesome flicks with these folks above? or can i just imdb their catalog and pick and choose? or same question asked differently: what should i avoid in your opinion?
Hated Pi. Finally got over seeing Requiem in the theater when it came out- that movie messed with me big time. Fountain was confusing but visually stunning. Wrestler was cool.
Anderson makes movies that deal with "universal ideas" like love, loss, and longing; the search for identity; family; etc. It's this that makes his movies easy to relate to, in my opinion, because while not everyone has ever owned a submarine or been expelled from private school, a lot of people have questioned what sort of legacy they will leave behind or have struggled to gain acceptance, and so on. I just haven't caught anything like that from Jarmusch's movies - though I haven't seen anything of his in a long while.
I am not opposed to Miss Natalie and Miss Mila romancing the stone, but I think they are both terrible casting choices for this kind of film.
I don't have alternates just yet, I'll have to think about it.
i'm curious who you would lke to see instead. i never felt like i had any kind of special skill at recognizing what individuals shoudl fill certain roles, so drop some opinions bassie!
If she was still young enough, Isabelle Adjani would be the one to go with.
I don't even know who's good right now who would still be the right age for the role. Natalie Mendoza and Shauna Macdonald redux? Im Soo Jung? Jocelin Donahue? Amanda Seyfried? I dunno, I would be no good at casting either.
Yea - it's hard these days. Adjani is a great pick.
Beatrice Dalle and Huppert, too, if they were younger.
I keep coming back to the Amira Cesar from Anatomy of Hell or even Caroline Ducey from Romance - Breillat has good young actresses. Asia Argento?
Mati Diop? - She is beautiful and was amazing to watch in Claire Denis' 35 Shots.
Clea DuVall? lol I guess she doesn't really scream graceful ballet dancer!
Sheeeeeeit - even Jennifer Connelly!
I would always choose someone unknown to be honest, so they make the role fresh and don't bring "famous person" baggage to the character.
can you recommend me some awesome flicks with these folks above? or can i just imdb their catalog and pick and choose? or same question asked differently: what should i avoid in your opinion?
I'd say IMDB it, as many of the best movies featuring these actresses tend to get the best reviews on there. I'll throw it out there that you should see Beatrice Dalle in La Pianiste, so long as you can handle it. Also, Isabelle Adjani gets a lot of praise for her role in Possession and while she came off really well, I thought that the film was pretty bad. But if you like that Euro art-house steez, go for it.
To those that Becky hipsters cite (I was thinking of Broken Flowers in this instance). I actually dig a number of jarmisch's films, with Dead Man standing out as a favorite.
Anderson makes movies that deal with "universal ideas" like love, loss, and longing; the search for identity; family; etc. It's this that makes his movies easy to relate to, in my opinion, because while not everyone has ever owned a submarine or been expelled from private school, a lot of people have questioned what sort of legacy they will leave behind or have struggled to gain acceptance, and so on. I just haven't caught anything like that from Jarmusch's movies - though I haven't seen anything of his in a long while.
Well, all stories are about love, loss, etc. - one either connects with the way it's told or not. Anderson leaves me cold, Jarmusch doesn't.
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bassie said:
smoking_robot said:
If she was still young enough, Isabelle Adjani would be the one to go with.
I don't even know who's good right now who would still be the right age for the role. Natalie Mendoza and Shauna Macdonald redux? Im Soo Jung? Jocelin Donahue? Amanda Seyfried? I dunno, I would be no good at casting either.
Yea - it's hard these days. Adjani is a great pick.
Beatrice Dalle and Huppert, too, if they were younger.
I keep coming back to the Amira Cesar from Anatomy of Hell or even Caroline Ducey from Romance - Breillat has good young actresses. Asia Argento?
Mati Diop? - She is beautiful and was amazing to watch in Claire Denis' 35 Shots.
Clea DuVall? lol I guess she doesn't really scream graceful ballet dancer!
Sheeeeeeit - even Jennifer Connelly!
I would always choose someone unknown to be honest, so they make the role fresh and don't bring "famous person" baggage to the character.
can you recommend me some awesome flicks with these folks above? or can i just imdb their catalog and pick and choose? or same question asked differently: what should i avoid in your opinion?
I wouldn't say to avoid anything, more like proceed with caution.
Which Jarmusch movie did you dislike?
These people are all in movies that can be described as difficult, boring, graphic, confusing, arty, pretentious, kitschy, stomach-turning, pornographic, "nothing happened", bleak and misogynist.
Nevermind what I would recommend , just pick one and go for it!
(You're over 18 right?)
To those that Becky hipsters cite (I was thinking of Broken Flowers in this instance). I actually dig a number of jarmisch's films, with Dead Man standing out as a favorite.
Fascinating - I would never put beckys and Jarmusch together.
To those that Becky hipsters cite (I was thinking of Broken Flowers in this instance). I actually dig a number of jarmisch's films, with Dead Man standing out as a favorite.
Fascinating - I would never put beckys and Jarmusch together.
yeah, thats about as far off as you can be. i think people have different definitions of 'becky' than i do........
why are we making casting decisions for a movie we haven't seen? srs question. is this based on a book or something, i.e. you guys have a mental image of who should play these roles? I don't even know what the story is. from the trailer it looks like a ballet movie with some lesbian action and "thrilling!" intrigues, etc.
Who knew you could judge people so clearly by their choice of American movie director.
I've enjoyed movies by all the people mentioned, but Jarmusch is my favourite of the them by a long way, blah blah blah Natalie Portman & Mila Kunis' Lesbian Love Scene.
Watched Black Swan and thought it was indeed Brilliant. Amazing blend of Coming of Age, Dance and Sexual Horror. I thoroughly enjoyed the whole movie. Especially the Portman bony ass in the air masterbation scene. That scene alone sold me the DVD. Well played Aronofsky, well played.
Not a big Aronofsky fan. I'd sooner put him in a boat with Christopher Nolan than with dudes like Anderson or Jarmusch, and I'll always associate Pi with Nolan's debut The Following, probably because I rented them from the video store at the same time. And also, both dudes' films, more often than not, have this overhanging sense of dread that just weighs me down. I haven't seen The Fountain or Black Swan and, saying that, I would just like dude to have a little fun. Movies don't have to be a depressing ordeal all of the time.
As far as Anderson goes, my biggest complaint is that in both Life Aquait and that tea train movie, he introduces death fairly randomly (ah, such is life, right?) in an effort to get his characters to "feel" something -- finally. And in each instance, I felt like he didn't really earn in, that he didn't work up his audience to that point and it was ultimately cheating. Fair or not, that's what I got out of it.
That said, I did really enjoy The Fantastic Mr. Fox. Jarvis Cocker was all jingle-jangle on the banjo and "I was just making it up as I went along." And the old-man cider maker was all "That's just bad songwriting."
girls like tenenbaums, boys like rushmore. no one really like jarmusch.
darrenovsky should stick to making trailers and not ruin them with movies.
Like the best Soulstrut oversimplifications, this is dismissive, close-minded, hilarious, and almost brilliant in how close it comes to the truth. Well done.
i don't like pi. i hated requiem for a dream. i didn't see the fountain because i heard it was pretty much just high jackman time traveling in karate pants. the wrestler i liked okay, but mainly because i had expectations it would be empty mtv editing like requiem and more-of-the-same bludgeoning of the viewer's head with the sorrow stick. it was just the right amount of that sadness for me without making me sick or leaving the theater feeling it was cheap and manipulative.
i'm with Anna, Requiem for a dream reaaaallly fucked with me. would have rather not seen it. and i agree with whoever said it was pretty commonplace concept. kids are happy, drugs ruin lives , the end. the worst for me was probably what happened to the mom tho. i saw that movie alone about a month ago and i had to go friends up after i saw it on some "i just wanted to hear your voice. tell me everythings all right". what a fuckin downer. i wont be seeing Pi.
BUT. i may see black swan. i lie scary movies with psycho chicks..especially when they look like cute ballerinas
and man, hating on jim jarmusch?? dead man is easily one of my favorite movies. i actually dreamed last night that i was playing the theme music on an electric guitar with a lot of feedback at a porn audition. go figure. but read some back story to that movie and it only adds to the appreciation of it. absolute masterpiece
i did see jarmusch's coffee and cigarettes recently and it was a turd.
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that said, i've only seen 1 jarmucsch flick and i didnt like it that much.
wes anderson however i believe has real talent, but i think once he adopted his autuer hip status, the game changed the man. he went from nerdy dorky film geek with glasses to long flaxen haired brooding hipster director. i kind of feel like his films have suffered as well. Darjeeling Limited was such a huge step backwards for him imo.
I havent seen the fantastic mr fox though.
in other words: wes anderson to me seems to be suffering from his indie darling status elevation. and well jarmusch, as he is an indie darling as well, i dont believe ever was an amazing director.
i'm curious who you would lke to see instead. i never felt like i had any kind of special skill at recognizing what individuals shoudl fill certain roles, so drop some opinions bassie!
If she was still young enough, Isabelle Adjani would be the one to go with.
I don't even know who's good right now who would still be the right age for the role. Natalie Mendoza and Shauna Macdonald redux? Im Soo Jung? Jocelin Donahue? Amanda Seyfried? I dunno, I would be no good at casting either.
So, you've seen one whole film by Jarmusch but because you don't like his fans, you don't believe he was ever an amazing director? Huh?
But Anderson is a real talent!
I'll talk movies all day, but I am not really interested in bringing people on to my side of things. You either enjoy a movie or you don't - the filmmaker's so-called talent is only part of it.
Anderson, I am sure is talented, but for me his movies are unengaging at best and unbearable at worst. I don't like or care about anyone in them and their problems do not touch me in the slightest.
It is funny that Jarmush is accused of being part of some weird elite group. More than the other two directors, his films are mostly about regular people with some not-too-contrived problems.
Yea - it's hard these days. Adjani is a great pick.
Beatrice Dalle and Huppert, too, if they were younger.
I keep coming back to the Amira Cesar from Anatomy of Hell or even Caroline Ducey from Romance - Breillat has good young actresses. Asia Argento?
Mati Diop? - She is beautiful and was amazing to watch in Claire Denis' 35 Shots.
Clea DuVall? lol I guess she doesn't really scream graceful ballet dancer!
Sheeeeeeit - even Jennifer Connelly!
I would always choose someone unknown to be honest, so they make the role fresh and don't bring "famous person" baggage to the character.
hahaha, i jsut got son'ed.
but you're right, my above statements were pretty piss poor at explaining what i meant.
am i allowed to add that i am open to watching more jarmusch flicks at some point in my life and having my opinion change or did i already put my foot in my mouth?
i just wasnt drawn to watch more jarmusch after seeing down by law whereas bottle rocket really drew me in for some reason. i dont put wes anderson in my personal list of favorites but i like his rather specific aesthetic, something i feel is lost in a lot of directors.
can you recommend me some awesome flicks with these folks above? or can i just imdb their catalog and pick and choose? or same question asked differently: what should i avoid in your opinion?
I'd say IMDB it, as many of the best movies featuring these actresses tend to get the best reviews on there. I'll throw it out there that you should see Beatrice Dalle in La Pianiste, so long as you can handle it. Also, Isabelle Adjani gets a lot of praise for her role in Possession and while she came off really well, I thought that the film was pretty bad. But if you like that Euro art-house steez, go for it.
To those that Becky hipsters cite (I was thinking of Broken Flowers in this instance). I actually dig a number of jarmisch's films, with Dead Man standing out as a favorite.
Well, all stories are about love, loss, etc. - one either connects with the way it's told or not. Anderson leaves me cold, Jarmusch doesn't.
I wouldn't say to avoid anything, more like proceed with caution.
Which Jarmusch movie did you dislike?
These people are all in movies that can be described as difficult, boring, graphic, confusing, arty, pretentious, kitschy, stomach-turning, pornographic, "nothing happened", bleak and misogynist.
Nevermind what I would recommend , just pick one and go for it!
(You're over 18 right?)
Fascinating - I would never put beckys and Jarmusch together.
yeah, thats about as far off as you can be. i think people have different definitions of 'becky' than i do........
whoah, subtle jab? not offended btw, just commenting, it'd be a good one imo if it were. if it aint, no matter either.
but yes, i'm 29.
b/w
i'll dive in to some stuff, thanks for the response! all sincerity etc. not sure how to make it sound like its not insincere because of the above.
I was asking somewhat seriously, but mostly in jest. More a comment on the film content than your age/maturity.
Cripes. They were stunning in the film, but they are OFF THE CHART cleaned up.
darrenovsky should stick to making trailers and not ruin them with movies.
Who knew you could judge people so clearly by their choice of American movie director.
I've enjoyed movies by all the people mentioned, but Jarmusch is my favourite of the them by a long way, blah blah blah Natalie Portman & Mila Kunis' Lesbian Love Scene.
now I really actually don't ever need to see this movie!
Nay from me on Requiem, Pi, Fountain, Wrestler.
Watched Black Swan and thought it was indeed Brilliant. Amazing blend of Coming of Age, Dance and Sexual Horror. I thoroughly enjoyed the whole movie. Especially the Portman bony ass in the air masterbation scene. That scene alone sold me the DVD. Well played Aronofsky, well played.
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And who likes "the Zissou"?!
As far as Anderson goes, my biggest complaint is that in both Life Aquait and that tea train movie, he introduces death fairly randomly (ah, such is life, right?) in an effort to get his characters to "feel" something -- finally. And in each instance, I felt like he didn't really earn in, that he didn't work up his audience to that point and it was ultimately cheating. Fair or not, that's what I got out of it.
That said, I did really enjoy The Fantastic Mr. Fox. Jarvis Cocker was all jingle-jangle on the banjo and "I was just making it up as I went along." And the old-man cider maker was all "That's just bad songwriting."
Like the best Soulstrut oversimplifications, this is dismissive, close-minded, hilarious, and almost brilliant in how close it comes to the truth. Well done.
i don't understand this either.
BUT. i may see black swan. i lie scary movies with psycho chicks..especially when they look like cute ballerinas
and man, hating on jim jarmusch?? dead man is easily one of my favorite movies. i actually dreamed last night that i was playing the theme music on an electric guitar with a lot of feedback at a porn audition. go figure. but read some back story to that movie and it only adds to the appreciation of it. absolute masterpiece
i did see jarmusch's coffee and cigarettes recently and it was a turd.