Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121One presidential candidate being assassinated over 300+ years of presidential elections is not "plausible." I believe the word would be "exceptional." b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121Your math sucks. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Note his use of the word 'candidate'...
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 I don't think some overweight white lady complaining b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121 b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121...and the lady was indeed fat, white and complaining. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121Perhaps this is the same lady that Behemoth met in the train! You know, the one that's not racist because white people can't be racist!
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121One presidential candidate being assassinated over 300+ years of presidential elections is not "plausible." I believe the word would be "exceptional." b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121Your math sucks. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Note his use of the word 'candidate'... b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121I think (hope) D*n was referring to the 300 years number, which would suggest we've been electing presidents since 1708....
Quote:/font1h,121b,121 I don't think some overweight white lady complaining that Obama is a Muslim terrorist is indicative of the anti-Obama vote. There are plenty of people who won't vote for him for very legitimate political reasons. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121take a look at the states where mccain is ahead, now contrast the education levels with the states where obama is ahead. b,121b,121b,121also, the comparison with the radical leftist obama supporters in the bay or wherever, is misplaced. there is a difference between being educated on an issue, and having a radical viewpoint.....and just being dumb. saying obama is a muslim, a terrorist, etc., is not radical, its wrong.b,121b,121b,121b,121
Quote:/font1h,121b,121I would like to see some coverage of an Obama rally in the yay area and see how many people support I don't know the shining path or Hugo Chavez. I remember when the anti-war rallies, organized by ANSWER, were covered this way--finding goofballs to say goofball things and then saying--see that's your anti-war movement. Indeed, if I ever did that on this board or in conversation, I apologize. The uglier side of mass rallies is always an easy score for the television journalist. But I know plenty of honorable McCain supporters who would never say such provincial nonsense. I don't think some overweight white lady complaining that Obama is a Muslim terrorist is indicative of the anti-Obama vote. There are plenty of people who won't vote for him for very legitimate political reasons. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121I don't think the question is what kind of fringe people are attracted to centrist candidates, but whether the candidates appeal to the crowd's fringe sensibilities. After having a warm up speaker invoke his middle name, to then launch into "what do we know about him, really??" and to invoke his "palling around with terrorists" as opposed to his (pretty tenuous) connection with a single 60's era radical, is clearly playing to these fears, and stirring up latent racial fears. You said yourself E** that he's taken largely center-right positions, so I'd like to see where you see his coded pro-Chavez language, as opposed to just fringe wackos who show up. I think you know McCain and especially Palin have been playing off these fears as much as they can while still maintaining plausible deniablility. I'm not blaming their campaign for racism, I'm blaming it for cynically legitimizing and stoking it.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121also, the comparison with the radical leftist obama supporters in the bay or wherever, is misplaced. there is a difference between being educated on an issue, and having a radical viewpoint.....and just being dumb. saying obama is a muslim, a terrorist, etc., is not radical, its wrong.b,121 b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121I'd say an "educated" supporter of the Shining Path is far, far "dumber" than an uneducated supporter of the Shining Path.b,121b,121penniless Indian peasants have an excuse; Berkeley college professors don't.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121 I'm not blaming their campaign for racism, I'm blaming it for cynically legitimizing and stoking it. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121i am. ayers was brought up to appeal to racists, so why can't we blame them for racism? mccain's fallback position is - i'm just trying to get all the cards on the table. of course that is bullshit. whether obama had 2 casual encounters with the guy or 30 one-on-one meetings, what is the importance? calling ayers a terrorist is such a complete stretch of the truth. the guy is more abbie hoffman, than osama. its just pathetic. b,121b,121moreover, if discrediting obama's character and truthfulness were mccain's objectives, than why choose ayers when he actually has some decent things to choose from in obama's quasi flip flops on federal funding for campaign financing, offshore drilling position, immunity for telecoms in wiretap bills.b,121b,121ayers is a see-through attempt to make white voters who are unsure of voting for a black guy start to think obama might be part of a radical muslim sleeper cell.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121One presidential candidate being assassinated over 300+ years of presidential elections is not "plausible." I believe the word would be "exceptional." b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121Your math sucks. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Note his use of the word 'candidate'... b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121I think (hope) D*n was referring to the 300 years number, which would suggest we've been electing presidents since 1708.... b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Indeed. My math does suck. I meant 200+ years. b,121b,121But again, Bobby Kennedy doesn't exactly set up a trend.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121ayers was brought up to appeal to racists, b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121huh? dude if McCain wanted to appeal to racists don't you think he'd bring up, oh I dunno, Jeremiah Wright?!/b1b,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121moreover, if discrediting obama's character and truthfulness were mccain's objectives, than why choose ayers when he actually has some decent things to choose from in obama's quasi flip flops on federal funding for campaign financing, offshore drilling position, immunity for telecoms in wiretap bills.b,121b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121LOL like those oh-so-sexy talking points would have the same effect as "Obama pals around with terrorists."b,121b,121McCain is no doubt thankful that you're not running his campaign.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121ayers was brought up to appeal to racists, b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121huh? dude if McCain wanted to appeal to racists don't you think he'd bring up, oh I dunno, Jeremiah Wright?!/b1b,121b,121b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121first, mccain pledged not to bring up Wright during the campaign. second, he's got his own pastor problems, as does Palin and her antisemitic witchdoctor. third, wright is old news. on the other hand, ayers was mentioned for about 20 seconds during one of the 19 democratic debates.b,121b,121b,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121moreover, if discrediting obama's character and truthfulness were mccain's objectives, than why choose ayers when he actually has some decent things to choose from in obama's quasi flip flops on federal funding for campaign financing, offshore drilling position, immunity for telecoms in wiretap bills.b,121b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121LOL like those oh-so-sexy talking points would have the same effect as "Obama pals around with terrorists."b,121 b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121exactly, that's why he is running a racist campaign. i don't really understand what your point is, if you have one...
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121ayers was brought up to appeal to racists, b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121huh? dude if McCain wanted to appeal to racists don't you think he'd bring up, oh I dunno, Jeremiah Wright?!/b1b,121b,121b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121first, mccain pledged not to bring up Wright during the campaign. second, he's got his own pastor problems, as does Palin and her antisemitic witchdoctor. third, wright is old news. on the other hand, ayers was mentioned for about 20 seconds during one of the 19 democratic debates.b,121b,121b,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121moreover, if discrediting obama's character and truthfulness were mccain's objectives, than why choose ayers when he actually has some decent things to choose from in obama's quasi flip flops on federal funding for campaign financing, offshore drilling position, immunity for telecoms in wiretap bills.b,121b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121LOL like those oh-so-sexy talking points would have the same effect as "Obama pals around with terrorists."b,121 b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121exactly, that's why he is running a racist campaign. i don't really understand what your point is, if you have one... b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121ayers is old, too. it surfaced way back at the beginning of the campaign and has only recently come back.b,121b,121you are hilarious. how do you square your "McCain brought up Ayers because he pledged not to bring up Wright for fear of running a racist campaign" with "McCain brought up Ayers because he's running a racist campaign."
nah dude I am not misinformed, I am just not buying the "bringing up Ayers is racist" thing.b,121b,121this idea was put forth some weeks ago by some influential liberal commentators, was never forcefully argued from an intellectual standpoint IMO, and has since become gospel in some circles.b,121b,121it's nonsense. b,121b,121McCain's camp wanted to paint Obama as anti-American. in doing so, they had, essentiually, the choice between Wright and Ayers, two critics of America who had been raised early in the campaign and had seemingly disappeared from the discourse. they could have resurrected either one.b,121b,121in foreswearing any mention of Wright, and choosing Ayers, McCain made what is essentially the NON-racist pick!b,121b,121the Ayers thing is wrong for lots of reasons, but this idea that it's racist is beyond lazy.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121nah dude I am not misinformed, I am just not buying the "bringing up Ayers is racist" thing.b,121b,121this idea was put forth some weeks ago by some influential liberal commentators, was never forcefully argued from an intellectual standpoint IMO, and has since become gospel in some circles.b,121b,121it's nonsense. b,121b,121McCain's camp wanted to paint Obama as anti-American. in doing so, they had, essentiually, the choice between Wright and Ayers, two critics of America who had been raised early in the campaign and had seemingly disappeared from the discourse. they could have resurrected either one.b,121b,121in foreswearing any mention of Wright, and choosing Ayers, McCain made what is essentially the NON-racist pick!b,121b,121the Ayers thing is wrong for lots of reasons, but this idea that it's racist is beyond lazy. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121b,121you are beyond lazy for not putting the keyboard down and taking the time to read the nonsense that you are posting. obama has a legitimate relationship with wright. go read his books. moreover, it is debatable whether obama was around while wright was "preaching hate", as most of the country would probably say.b,121b,121not only is the relationship between ayers and obama basically non-existent, but ayers transgressions occured when obama was 8. b,121b,121you are so off base here i feel like donating a newspaper subscription to your house.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121in foreswearing any mention of Wright, and choosing Ayers, McCain made what is essentially the NON-racist pick!b,121b,121the Ayers thing is wrong for lots of reasons, but this idea that it's racist is beyond lazy. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121b,121I hear what you're saying, but with the Ayers thing they get sort of a two-fer. b,121b,121With Ayers, they can trot out the word "terrorist." Let's face it, what ethnicity and religion most likely come to mind for the NASCAR/Wal-Mart set when you say "terrorist?" That's right, Muslin A-rabs. Damn towelheads! And his middle name is "Hussein!" b,121b,121So with one swipe they can get in a dig at Obama's "radical agenda" as well subtly foment anti-racist feelings in the voters.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121nah dude I am not misinformed, I am just not buying the "bringing up Ayers is racist" thing.b,121b,121this idea was put forth some weeks ago by some influential liberal commentators, was never forcefully argued from an intellectual standpoint IMO, and has since become gospel in some circles.b,121b,121it's nonsense. b,121b,121McCain's camp wanted to paint Obama as anti-American. in doing so, they had, essentiually, the choice between Wright and Ayers, two critics of America who had been raised early in the campaign and had seemingly disappeared from the discourse. they could have resurrected either one.b,121b,121in foreswearing any mention of Wright, and choosing Ayers, McCain made what is essentially the NON-racist pick!b,121b,121the Ayers thing is wrong for lots of reasons, but this idea that it's racist is beyond lazy. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121The only racism in this campaign is the relentless attacks on the Palin family coming from liberal elites who are clearly uncomfortable with Todd Palin's eskimo status. I joke, but I fully back the Ayers thing is many things, but racist is not one of them. It's Mondale-land.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121One presidential candidate being assassinated over 300+ years of presidential elections is not "plausible." I believe the word would be "exceptional." b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121Your math sucks. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Note his use of the word 'candidate'... b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121John Kennedy was a candidate when he was assassinated.b,121Wallace was shot while campaigning for president.... b,121And where the F did 300+ yrs come from?b,121b,121Not the kind of posts I am use to seeing from Spanky.
LOL.b,121b,121KVH was arguing the Ayers thing was racist.b,121b,121I said it wasn't.b,121b,121KVH's response: Nah but Wright and Obama had a close relationship; Ayers and Obama didn't! Buy a newspaper!b,121b,121And thus concludes another visit to KVH-non-sequitur land. Hope you enjoyed your stay.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121One presidential candidate being assassinated over 300+ years of presidential elections is not "plausible." I believe the word would be "exceptional." b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121Your math sucks. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Note his use of the word 'candidate'... b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121John Kennedy was a candidate when he was assassinated.b,121Wallace was shot while campaigning for president.... b,121And where the F did 300+ yrs come from?b,121b,121Not the kind of posts I am use to seeing from Spanky. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Dan, the original poster mentioned Bobby Kennedy as a "plausible" example of what could happen to a candidate. My reply - albeit with a typo on the years - was that in over *200* years of Presidential elections, there's been one candidate who was assassinated: RFK. Wallace wasn't the Democratic candidate for President in 72 when he was shot. Kennedy was technically a candidate only because he was an incumbent president; he wasn't killed in an election year. b,121b,121I stand by my original point: Obama getting killed is a possibility (as is he dropping dead from a heart attack) but plausible? No.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121The only racism in this campaign is the relentless attacks on the Palin family coming from liberal elites who are clearly uncomfortable with Todd Palin's eskimo status. I joke, but I fully back the Ayers thing is many things, but racist is not one of them. It's Mondale-land. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121b,121Maybe you can perform a clever "Eskimo Rap" for your friends atb,121the next barbeque? You can rhyme "Nanook" with "neva read a book."b,121b,121You know, because it's like, a joke.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121One presidential candidate being assassinated over 300+ years of presidential elections is not "plausible." I believe the word would be "exceptional." b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121Your math sucks. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Note his use of the word 'candidate'... b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121John Kennedy was a candidate when he was assassinated.b,121Wallace was shot while campaigning for president.... b,121And where the F did 300+ yrs come from?b,121b,121Not the kind of posts I am use to seeing from Spanky. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Dan, the original poster mentioned Bobby Kennedy as a "plausible" example of what could happen to a candidate. My reply - albeit with a typo on the years - was that in over *200* years of Presidential elections, there's been one candidate who was assassinated: RFK. Wallace wasn't the Democratic candidate for President in 72 when he was shot. Kennedy was technically a candidate only because he was an incumbent president; he wasn't killed in an election year. b,121b,121I stand by my original point: Obama getting killed is a possibility (as is he dropping dead from a heart attack) but plausible? No. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Those were 2 examples, in over 200+ years there might be more. b,121RFK was also not the Democratic candidate for president in 1968 when he got shot.b,121Like Wallace he was campaigning for the presidency. b,121I was under the impression that JFKs Dallas trip was an early campaign stop. b,121b,121Both RFK and JFK represented the kind of change for our country that no other candidate has. Until now. b,121b,121I hope you are right and I am wrong.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121The only racism in this campaign is the relentless attacks on the Palin family coming from liberal elites who are clearly uncomfortable with Todd Palin's eskimo status. I joke, but I fully back the Ayers thing is many things, but racist is not one of them. It's Mondale-land. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121b,121Maybe you can perform a clever "Eskimo Rap" for your friends atb,121the next barbeque? You can rhyme "Nanook" with "neva read a book."b,121b,121You know, because it's like, a joke. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121Thank you. I've been disappointed in how reluctant people are to bring up Whiteamin's embarrassing past. That faux-Native-American rap was one of the most racist, albeit hilarious (we were laughing at, not with you) posts I've witnessed on soulstrut.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121The only racism in this campaign is the relentless attacks on the Palin family coming from liberal elites who are clearly uncomfortable with Todd Palin's eskimo status. I joke, but I fully back the Ayers thing is many things, but racist is not one of them. It's Mondale-land. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121b,121Maybe you can perform a clever "Eskimo Rap" for your friends atb,121the next barbeque? You can rhyme "Nanook" with "neva read a book."b,121b,121You know, because it's like, a joke. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121Thank you. I've been disappointed in how reluctant people are to bring up Whiteamin's embarrassing past. That faux-Native-American rap was one of the most racist, albeit hilarious (we were laughing at, not with you) posts I've witnessed on soulstrut. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121It was an expression of my sincere and pious empathies. And I don't really care what people like you think of my art.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121It was an expression of my sincere and pious empathies. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121b,121That's the saddest part. I think you're being sincere when you call referencing such ridiculous stereotypes as "fire-water" and "Pocahontas" sincere and pious empathies.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121The only racism in this campaign is the relentless attacks on the Palin family coming from liberal elites who are clearly uncomfortable with Todd Palin's eskimo status. I joke, but I fully back the Ayers thing is many things, but racist is not one of them. It's Mondale-land. b,121b,121h,121
b,121b,121b,121Maybe you can perform a clever "Eskimo Rap" for your friends atb,121the next barbeque? You can rhyme "Nanook" with "neva read a book."b,121b,121You know, because it's like, a joke. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121b,121Thank you. I've been disappointed in how reluctant people are to bring up Whiteamin's embarrassing past. That faux-Native-American rap was one of the most racist, albeit hilarious (we were laughing at, not with you) posts I've witnessed on soulstrut. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121It was an expression of my sincere and pious empathies. And I don't really care what people like you think of my art. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121MORE PLAESE
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