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  • The psychological struggle of the urge to grip vs. the need for a healthy space

    I sold half my records, because I was running out of space. I gave away many just as gifts to friends. I just decided I don't need to keep obsessing over buying records anymore. There's only really a handful of records that I will never sell, but I know that my family won't know what to do with them when I'm dead. I think about this more lately when I feel like buying records I can't afford. 

    - spidey
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  • What even is Hip Hop?

    Junior said:
    Hi spidey,

    I'm guessing you're familiar with this old SFJ article...

    Thanks for posting it. This is the first time I've seen it, and I guess in the defense of The Arcade Fire, Pavement, The Shins, and Wilco. I don't think those bands ever claimed to be Rock & Roll. I think that the term "Rock" is just a misnomer given to the artists by labels, and whoever categorizes them in record stores, and long winded critics and reviewers. I feel that race might also have something to do with it. Is it fair to call Rock music "White music" or Hip Hop "Black music."

    It reminds me of a girl I used to work with who told me that she only listens to Rock music, and her favorite rock band was Mumford and Sons. Of course she likes the Beatles, Bon Iver, and Father John Misty. 

    You know, "Rock Music."

    - spidey
  • What even is Hip Hop?

    Jimster said:
     There are still folk doing it this way.



    Off the top of my head..

    - D
  • What even is Hip Hop?

    I've been thinking about this one for a while now actually.. I thought some of you wouldn't just dismiss my naivety, and are mature enough to have a respectful discussion. I've been a hip hop fan for well over 27 years now, and now that all of the illusions in hip hop have been shattered for me. I come to this question:

    What even is Hip Hop?

    Kool Herc, Keith "Cowboy" Wiggins, and Afrika Bambataa all take claim for creating "Hip Hop."

    The earliest forms of Sampling goes well back to the 30's within the genre Musique concrète

    Even the term Hip Hop doesn't have a clear origin. 

    When the reality is that Kool Herc borrowed the technique from Dub music. 

    The technology necessary to make sample based hip hop wasn't even commercially available until the 80's, with the affordability of the Roland Tr-808 & E-mu SP-1200.

    Help me figure this out if it is not merely an art form, not a culture, not a movement, not a genre, not a fashion, nor a lifestyle.. 

    There's so many sub-genres that have spawned off from Hip Hop now, and are unfairly lumped underneath it, and it encompasses every other genre through sampling. 

    Wikipedia says: 
    Hip hop music, also called hip-hop[3][4] or rap music,[4][5][6] is a music genre developed in the United States by inner-city African Americans in the 1970s which consists of a stylized rhythmic music that commonly accompanies rapping

    Okay so basically "stylized rhythmic music." Every genre of music falls under this category. 

    Encyclopedia Brittianica says: 

    Hip-hop, cultural movement that attained widespread popularity in the 1980s and ’90s; also, the backing music for rap, the musical style incorporating rhythmic and/or rhyming speech that became the movement’s most lasting and influential art form.

    So what is a Cultural movement? 

    a group of people working together to advance certain cultural goals

    So then, what are the cultural goals of Hip Hop?

    Artists of NYC working together to become rich? DJ's and Rappers working together to make slamming parties? Black artists joining forces to rise up from poverty? It doesn't make sense. 

    I'm going to argue with this song that the genre of "hip hop" is actually just another sub-genre of funk and disco music that sometimes uses sampling with poetic speaking as opposed to singing.  So the reality is rapping would have been the most innovative aspect of "Hip Hop" even though we all agree that rapping was not a new idea even in 1970. Right?

    So, my best guess is that it ultimately comes down to Hip Hop is a STYLE OF PARTYING that evolved from Disco, and borrowed from Jamaica's music culture except the American DJ's incorporated many different genres of music.

    It originated with parties thrown in New York around the 1970's where the DJ's combines the two techniques of sampling records and combining them with announcers speaking rhythmically with slang to excite the dancers. Which was fully embraced, and adopted as an important extension of black american culture . 

    All credit due to the many originators or innovators of these Parties. This brings to me to my last question: Why is the MUSIC GENRE not just referred to as Remix music, or the Sampling genre. 

    bonus question - Shouldn't these songs be more important?


    - damo
  • Film-Strut: Mulholland Drive

    SPlDEY said:
    David Lynch is one of the surrealist directors that I hate the most. That being said I thought Eraserhead, elephant man and Mullholland drive were excellent compelling films. b,121b,121Mullholland drive made 100% sense to me, until the film switched over. Then it left me thinking WTF until the end of the film, and made me question understanding any of the film. Probably was the only film that has ever done that. It begs for being rewatched, and I think after multiple viewings that you gain a full understanding of where the narrative is trying to explain. b,121b,121Blue velvet and lost highway are super overrated. b,121b,121I still haven't seen inland empire yet, but I'll probably catch it on rental. b,121b,121I still wish jodorowsky would've directed dune. b,121b,121- spidey
    I guess, 9 years later I can safely say that I definitely don't hate David Lynch as much as I did back then.

    I think it's entirely human to feel this incessant desire to want to organize information in your head. For example 999999999999999999999999 is much more satisfying then 28-7418-2#9C74274-821787874878f. I think the problem most people in America have with understanding complicated films is that they are naturally trying to figure out a Beginning, Middle, End and possibly even a moral deep meaning.

    The reality is that nature is not designed to give you a satisfying experience. Things typically just happen, and it's up to you to find your own meaning to it. I noticed that most directors that focus on the language of visuals have understood that compelling art is not necessarily about the story you are telling. If you think deeply about it, leaving things up to your interpretation is the medium that all great creators work. Chefs, Architects, Engineers, Writers, Picasso, Salvador Dali, Fellini, Houdini, God.  I don't think that Lynch himself couldn't even begin to imagine the depths of what people see in his films. I find it commendable that in his art he never intentionally tries to manipulate you into how to think or feel. 

    That's the beauty of this Mulholland Drive, and all of his films. It's intentionally grotesque, disjointed and some parts just feel wrong, but there are some deeply memorable moments that somehow resonate with you on some level and somehow wind up deep into this mental visual library of every film you've ever watched. Like the strange guy behind the trash can, baby wants Blue Velvet, the unexplained blue cube in the handbag, Bill Pullman going nuts on the sax, Strange baby with the measles dying. David Lynch works in this magic realm of unsettling minutiae hidden deep within your mind that you didn't even know existed. 

    - spidey