Boogie Classics

AaronAaron 977 Posts
edited August 2005 in Music Talk
What are the boogie tracks you do not leave home without?

1) Steve Arrington - Nobody Can Be You
2) Kashif - I Just Got To Have You
3) Lillo Thomas - Sexy Girl
4) Teena Marie - Behind The Groove (2 copies)
5) Toney Lee - Reach Up

Bonus Question: Would you consider SOS Band's Groovin' (That's What We're Doin') a steppers track? I've always been confused about what makes a steppers track a steppers track.
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  • DubiousDubious 1,865 Posts
    Feel - Let's Rock
    Carol Williams - Just Can't Get Away (Ray "Pinky" Velasquez Dub Mix)
    Deele - Body Talk
    Weeks and co - Rock Your World
    G - Five - Keep On
    David Morris - Saturday Night

    80% of my crate is usually boogie


  • whats the difference between boogie and disco? what is boogie?

  • DubiousDubious 1,865 Posts
    not again

    boogie is the FUNKY shit alot of folls round here call Modern Soul for the most part.

    Boogie is post disco and it's slower 108 - 115 bpms. Also characterised by loads of synths, dub mixes, boomy linn drums.

    also see Electro Funk... which was the term in the UK but tends to pull in a broader range of elemeents.

  • OK, I think I sorta got it. Hmmmmm.

  • DubiousDubious 1,865 Posts
    i'll break it down more specific:

    Modern Soul - non 4 /4 undanceable music listened to by straight white hipsters while sipping lemonade

    Boogie - the shit that got played, danced to in the clubs back in the day, primarily black, puerto rican and gay.

    see the following for textbook example:



    you will note music is much slower than disco, much more electronic and infinitly more dubbed out.

    also note that it is still 4 on the floor and more importantly MIXABLE.

    additional bonus points for Divaisms.


  • Deep_SangDeep_Sang 1,081 Posts




    Price check? I read on some site that is is one of the rarest and most sought after Levan remix projects, but most info by same writer seemed a little suspect (read: writer's personal opinion) I came across a copy a few weeks ago, Padlock rmx is too hot.

    Some of my fave boogie tracks:

    Fantastic Aleems- Get Down Friday Night

    Unlimited Touch- Music in the Streets

    Skyy- Call Me

    O'Jays- Put Our Heads Together

    Raw Silk- Do it to the Music

    And, of course, D-Train, D-Train, D-Train





  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
    What are these then? Funk? Disco? Boogie? Modern? Digger Fag Trend Casualties?
    Plaese label individually ("GOOD MUSIC" label not permitted):

    Skyy: Skyyline LP
    Rod "Shake It Up"
    Tanaa Gardner: "Heartbeat"
    Delroy Wilson: "I'll Do Anything For You"
    Janet Jackson: Say You Do / You???ll Never Find 12??? A&M
    Rhetta Hughes: Angel Man 12??? Aria
    Denroy Morgan: I???ll Do Anything For You / Inst. 12??? Becket
    Sinnamon: Thanks To You / Inst. 12??? Becket
    Leprechaun: Loc-It-Up / Inst. 12??? Citation
    Vin Zee: Funky Bebop / inst. 12??? Emergency
    Gayle Adams: Love Fever / inst. 12??? Prelude
    Lime: Your Love 12??? Prism
    Sharon Brown: I Specialize in Love / Inst. 12??? Profile
    Gary???s Gang: Knock Me Out / Inst. 12??? Radar
    Lakeside: Your Love Is On The One / I Love Everything You Do 12??? Solar
    Midnight Star: I???ve Been Watching You / Open Up To Love 12??? Solar
    S.O.S. Band: Just Be Good To Me / long 12??? Tabu
    Taana Gardner: Heartbeat 12??? West End
    The Gap Band: Humpin??? / No Hiding Place 12??? (pic sleeve) Mercury UK
    Young & Company: I Like What You???re Doing To Me! LP Brunswick








  • GuzzoGuzzo 8,611 Posts
    man, so now I got to memorize what "stepper" music is as well???



    This modern soul shit is getting kinda convoluded.



    By the way would the whole Khemistry album count as "boogie"? I need to subdivide my musical subdivisions properly

  • Deep_SangDeep_Sang 1,081 Posts
    not again

    boogie is the FUNKY shit alot of folls round here call Modern Soul for the most part.

    Boogie is post disco and it's slower 108 - 115 bpms. Also characterised by loads of synths, dub mixes, boomy linn drums.

    also see Electro Funk... which was the term in the UK but tends to pull in a broader range of elemeents.

    I basically agree with this, but the tempo bit is more of a generalization than a rule, plenty of boogie gets into the 120's.

    And be wary of using the term electro funk, that may fly in GB, but IMO that is a whole different genre

  • erewhonerewhon 1,123 Posts
    i'll break it down more specific:

    Modern Soul - non 4 /4 undanceable music listened to by straight white hipsters while sipping lemonade

    Boogie - the shit that got played, danced to in the clubs back in the day, primarily black, puerto rican and gay.

    see the following for textbook example:



    you will note music is much slower than disco, much more electronic and infinitly more dubbed out.

    also note that it is still 4 on the floor and more importantly MIXABLE.

    additional bonus points for Divaisms.


    Hmmm...it's funny because all of this stuff that you're describing used to be called "garage" or "loft" music etc., which seemed a suitable enough categorization. Then, when the term "boogie" started to gain currency (mostly on the internet as far as I can tell), I easily assumed it applied to boogie-oriented disco (i.e obscure, mid70s-early80s, P&P, rollerskating-type disco that actually references the word "boogie" etc.) which was also becoming more popular at the time. Again, that seemed like a useful categorization to me, so that's how I've been using it- if only in my head. But what am I supposed to call boogie-oriented disco music (i.s music that often literally begs you to boogie to it) now that the name has been attached to another kind of music from a later, slicker period that you don't really even "boogie" to per se???

  • GuzzoGuzzo 8,611 Posts
    someone just let me now which sub-catagories mean disco so I can not bid on them on Ebay

  • Deep_SangDeep_Sang 1,081 Posts
    marcosa- I would call most of that stuff R&B, Heartbeat is definitely boogie tho.

    Guzzo- what's the release year on that Khemistry lp?

  • GuzzoGuzzo 8,611 Posts

    Guzzo- what's the release year on that Khemistry lp?
    1982

  • BigSpliffBigSpliff 3,266 Posts
    And if it's on Prelude or Westbound you're already halfway there.

    I like the Unltd Touch LP, D-Train is cool in smaller doses. Plus some of that Shep Pettibone stuff. Mary Clark is some good diva shit and I loooove that Escorts - Make Me Over (on +2)

    I think it isn't very danceable because of the fashions at the time: hair (men) and unwieldy neon plastic accessories (women)

  • SupergoodSupergood 1,213 Posts
    Some Boogie faves:



    Gemini - "It's Friday Night!!"

    Logg - "I Know You Will"

    Ronnie McNeir - "Come On Be With Me"

    Vernon Burch - "Special Rhyme"

    Michael Wycoff - "Diamond Real"

    Mighty Fire - "Sweet Fire"



    SG




  • phono13phono13 842 Posts
    Uno - Boogie Beat ?

  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,896 Posts
    and it's mad GAY


    I though HI-NRG was gay music?

    I always took boogie as mostly rollerskating type disco (With no fucking violins).

    And alot of times (but not always) was Instrumental.

    Hmm, learn something new everyday.

  • DubiousDubious 1,865 Posts
    breakin it down for you:

    Skyy: Skyyline LP - BOOGIE
    Rod "Shake It Up" - DISCO
    Tanaa Gardner: "Heartbeat" - BOOGIE
    Delroy Wilson: "I'll Do Anything For You" - CAPITOL B BOOGIE
    Rhetta Hughes: Angel Man 12??? Aria - BOOGIE
    Sinnamon: Thanks To You / Inst. 12??? Becket - BOOGIE
    Leprechaun: Loc-It-Up / Inst. 12??? Citation - BOOGIE
    Vin Zee: Funky Bebop / inst. 12??? Emergency - BOOGIE
    Lime: Your Love 12??? Prism - i call this stuff QUEBEC DISCO
    Gary???s Gang: Knock Me Out / Inst. 12??? Radar - i don't consider gary's gang boogie.. not enough synths, dub or drum machines
    Taana Gardner: Heartbeat 12??? West End - BOOGIE
    Young & Company: I Like What You???re Doing To Me! LP Brunswick - BOOGIE

  • DubiousDubious 1,865 Posts

    By the way would the whole Khemistry album count as "boogie"? I need to subdivide my musical subdivisions properly

    from what i heard of that it qualifies as QUIET STORM nothing you could play in a club.. maybe my needs to be refreshed but their aint no funk on there.

    big with the steppers though

  • GuzzoGuzzo 8,611 Posts

    By the way would the whole Khemistry album count as "boogie"? I need to subdivide my musical subdivisions properly

    from what i heard of that it qualifies as QUIET STORM nothing you could play in a club.. maybe my needs to be refreshed but their aint no funk on there.

    big with the steppers though

    quiet storm?!?! I thin you might be thinking of another album. The whole thing is pretty much uptempo. If I remember, next time I'm home I'll post an MP3 from the album

  • DubiousDubious 1,865 Posts

    Hmmm...it's funny because all of this stuff that you're describing used to be called "garage" or "loft" music

    well boogie music is concurrent with the Loft and more apty the garage. But people in 1982 didnt calle that Garage music they called that shit Boogie.

    not that this matters though.

    if somebody says LOFT music to me i think Date With the Rain, Voyage, Candido, lots of latin percussion and hippy free dancing.

    Garage is more coked out dubby and synthy

    that's really the main distinction for me is the level of synth / dru mmachines and studio dub techniques involved.

    Rob - Shake it Up for example isnt boogie for the main reason that its produced with trad instruments - drums, piano, live bass guitar etc. it doesnt have hardly any synths or drum machines and no dub stylee WHATSOEVER.

    in my opinion the truest boogie would be jams like Can't Get Away - Carol Williams which is solidly drum machine, 115bpms, and dubbed to hi heaven.




  • erewhonerewhon 1,123 Posts
    and it's mad GAY

    I always took boogie as mostly rollerskating type disco (With no fucking violins).


    And alot of times (but not always) was Instrumental.

    Thank you!

  • AaronAaron 977 Posts
    I first heard the term "boogie classic" in reference to Teena Marie's "I Need Your Lovin'", which was on a BBC Basement hosted by the Brand New Heavies (if anyone happened to record this program, I'd love love love to have it).

    Marco, we all know it's good music, but for those of us who like to set up a theme to our sets, it's generally a good idea to categorize. There are stylistic differences, after all. Quit being difficult.

    A few more:
    Tom Browne - Thighs High
    Odyssey - Inside Out
    The Whispers - It's A Love Thing

  • TREWTREW 2,037 Posts
    What are the boogie tracks you do not leave home without?

    this month it's:

    michael sterling - desperate
    xavier - work that sucka
    legacy - groove is here
    bobby nunn - 2nd to nunn (don't front, you know you love it)

  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
    breakin it down for you:

    Skyy: Skyyline LP - BOOGIE
    Tanaa Gardner: "Heartbeat" - BOOGIE
    Delroy Wilson: "I'll Do Anything For You" - CAPITOL B BOOGIE
    Rhetta Hughes: Angel Man 12??? Aria - BOOGIE
    Sinnamon: Thanks To You / Inst. 12??? Becket - BOOGIE
    Leprechaun: Loc-It-Up / Inst. 12??? Citation - BOOGIE
    Vin Zee: Funky Bebop / inst. 12??? Emergency - BOOGIE
    Taana Gardner: Heartbeat 12??? West End - BOOGIE
    Young & Company: I Like What You???re Doing To Me! LP Brunswick - BOOGIE

    That's pretty much what I thought - that most of those were indeed BOOGIE.

    But I was confused because you defined BOOGIE as having "loads of synths, dub mixes, boomy linn drums" and it didn't seem that most of the above BOOGIE tracks have much, if any, of those.

    I'm feeling the "rollerskate jam" definition of BOOGIE above any other stated here. Say "rollerskate jam" and I know what you mean - 'cos I was there!!!


  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,896 Posts

    Odyssey - Inside Out

    CHUNE...

    I just played that. Love that record...

  • DubiousDubious 1,865 Posts

    quiet storm?!?! I thin you might be thinking of another album. The whole thing is pretty much uptempo. If I remember, next time I'm home I'll post an MP3 from the album

    im pretty sure im thinking of the same record... paul e styrene brought it over to my crib one time.. we popped it on, didnt do shit for me and he mentioned selling it for some decent coin due to it's "modern soul" popularity.

    it has the two dancing cuttout type characters on the cover no?


  • GuzzoGuzzo 8,611 Posts

    quiet storm?!?! I thin you might be thinking of another album. The whole thing is pretty much uptempo. If I remember, next time I'm home I'll post an MP3 from the album

    im pretty sure im thinking of the same record... paul e styrene brought it over to my crib one time.. we popped it on, didnt do shit for me and he mentioned selling it for some decent coin due to it's "modern soul" popularity.

    it has the two dancing cuttout type characters on the cover no?


    yeah thats the one. I'll just let the MP3 speak for itself then.

    Honestly it reminds me of that first Kashif album a bit, but more uptempo

  • AaronAaron 977 Posts
    So... is Groovin' a steppers track? I'm still confused.

    If I were to guess what qualifies something as steppers, it would be slightly slower and even more pronounced 4 on the floor.

  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
    Marco, we all know it's good music, but for those of us who like to set up a theme to our sets, it's generally a good idea to categorize. There are stylistic differences, after all. Quit being difficult.

    Don't get me wrong - I'm ALL for labels and categories. They help immensely. I did a gig recently and my crates were separated into electro, eurodisco, boogie, disco, hiphop, discopunk, 80s, etc.

    I just want some better definitions posted up so when I say BOOGIE I'm not saying MODER.
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