The Case for Impeachment (No Longer Safe For Work)

ZekeZeke 221 Posts
edited February 2006 in Strut Central
The Case for ImpeachmentWhy we can no longer afford George W. BushPosted on Monday, February 27, 2006. An excerpt from an essay in the March 2006 Harper's Magazine. By Lewis H. Lapham.SourcesA country is not only what it does???it is also what it puts up with, what it tolerates. ???Kurt TucholskyOn December 18 of last year, Congressman John Conyers Jr. (D., Mich.) introduced into the House of Representatives a resolution inviting it to form ???a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.??? Although buttressed two days previously by the news of the National Security Agency's illegal surveillance of the American citizenry, the request attracted little or no attention in the press???nothing on television or in the major papers, some scattered applause from the left-wing blogs, heavy sarcasm on the websites flying the flags of the militant right. The nearly complete silence raised the question as to what it was the congressman had in mind, and to whom did he think he was speaking? In time of war few propositions would seem as futile as the attempt to impeach a president whose political party controls the Congress; as the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee stationed on Capitol Hill for the last forty years, Representative Conyers presumably knew that to expect the Republican caucus in the House to take note of his invitation, much less arm it with the power of subpoena, was to expect a miracle of democratic transformation and rebirth not unlike the one looked for by President Bush under the prayer rugs in Baghdad. Unless the congressman intended some sort of symbolic gesture, self-serving and harmless, what did he hope to prove or to gain? He answered the question in early January, on the phone from Detroit during the congressional winter recess.???To take away the excuse,??? he said, ???that we didn't know.??? So that two or four or ten years from now, if somebody should ask, ???Where were you, Conyers, and where was the United States Congress???? when the Bush Administration declared the Constitution inoperative and revoked the license of parliamentary government, none of the company now present can plead ignorance or temporary insanity, can say that ???somehow it escaped our notice??? that the President was setting himself up as a supreme leader exempt from the rule of law.A reason with which it was hard to argue but one that didn't account for the congressman's impatience. Why not wait for a showing of supportive public opinion, delay the motion to impeach until after next November's elections? Assuming that further investigation of the President's addiction to the uses of domestic espionage finds him nullifying the Fourth Amendment rights of a large number of his fellow Americans, the Democrats possibly could come up with enough votes, their own and a quorum of disenchanted Republicans, to send the man home to Texas. Conyers said: ???I don't think enough people know how much damage this administration can do to their civil liberties in a very short time. What would you have me do? Grumble and complain? Make cynical jokes? Throw up my hands and say that under the circumstances nothing can be done? At least I can muster the facts, establish a record, tell the story that ought to be front-page news.??? Which turned out to be the purpose of his House Resolution 635???not a high-minded tilting at windmills but the production of a report, 182 pages, 1,022 footnotes, assembled by Conyers's staff during the six months prior to its presentation to Congress, that describes the Bush Administration's invasion of Iraq as the perpetration of a crime against the American people. It is a fair description. Drawing on evidence furnished over the last four years by a sizable crowd of credible witnesses???government officials both extant and former, journalists, military officers, politicians, diplomats domestic and foreign???the authors of the report find a conspiracy to commit fraud, the administration talking out of all sides of its lying mouth, secretly planning a frivolous and unnecessary war while at the same time pretending in its public statements that nothing was further from the truth. The result has proved tragic, but on reading through the report's corroborating testimony I sometimes could counter its inducements to mute rage with the thought that if the would-be lords of the flies weren't in the business of killing people, they would be seen as a troupe of off-Broadway comedians in a third-rate theater of the absurd. Entitled ???The Constitution in Crisis; The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution, and Coverups in the Iraq War,??? the Conyers report examines the administration's chronic abuse of power from more angles than can be explored within the compass of a single essay. The nature of the administration's criminal DNA and modus operandi, however, shows up in a usefully robust specimen of its characteristic dishonesty.* * *That President George W. Bush comes to power with the intention of invading Iraq is a fact not open to dispute. Pleased with the image of himself as a military hero, and having spoken, more than once, about seeking revenge on Saddam Hussein for the tyrant's alleged attempt to ???kill my Dad,??? he appoints to high office in his administration a cadre of warrior intellectuals, chief among them Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, known to be eager for the glories of imperial conquest. At the first meeting of the new National Security Council on January 30, 2001, most of the people in the room discuss the possibility of preemptive blitzkrieg against Baghdad. In March the Pentagon circulates a document entitled ???Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oil Field Contracts???; the supporting maps indicate the properties of interest to various European governments and American corporations. Six months later, early in the afternoon of September 11, the smoke still rising from the Pentagon's western facade, Secretary Rumsfeld tells his staff to fetch intelligence briefings (the ???best info fast...go massive; sweep it all up; things related and not???) that will justify an attack on Iraq. By chance the next day in the White House basement, Richard A. Clarke, national coordinator for security and counterterrorism, encounters President Bush, who tells him to ???see if Saddam did this.??? Nine days later, at a private dinner upstairs in the White House, the President informs his guest, the British prime minister, Tony Blair, that ???when we have dealt with Afghanistan, we must come back to Iraq.???By November 13, 2001, the Taliban have been rousted out of Kabul in Afghanistan, but our intelligence agencies have yet to discover proofs of Saddam Hussein's acquaintance with Al Qaeda. President Bush isn't convinced. On November 21, at the end of a National Security Council meeting, he says to Secretary Rumsfeld, ???What have you got in terms of plans for Iraq?...I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret.???The Conyers report doesn't return to the President's focus on Iraq until March 2002, when it finds him peering into the office of Condoleezza Rice, the national security advisor, to say, ???Fuck Saddam. We're taking him out.??? At a Senate Republican Policy lunch that same month on Capitol Hill, Vice President Dick Cheney informs the assembled company that it is no longer a question of if the United States will attack Iraq, it's only a question of when. The vice president doesn't bring up the question of why, the answer to which is a work in progress. By now the administration knows, or at least has reason to know, that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, that Iraq doesn't possess weapons of mass destruction sufficiently ominous to
warrant concern, that the regime destined to be changed poses no imminent threat, certainly not to the United States, probably not to any country defended by more than four batteries of light artillery. Such at least is the conclusion of the British intelligence agencies that can find no credible evidence to support the theory of Saddam's connection to Al Qaeda or international terrorism; ???even the best survey of WMD programs will not show much advance in recent years on the nuclear, missile and CW/BW weapons fronts...??? A series of notes and memoranda passing back and forth between the British Cabinet Office in London and its correspondents in Washington during the spring and summer of 2002 address the problem of inventing a pretext for a war so fondly desired by the Bush Administration that Sir Richard Dearlove, head of Britain's MI-6, finds the interested parties in Washington fixing ???the intelligence and the facts...around the policy.??? The American enthusiasm for regime change, ???undimmed??? in the mind of Condoleezza Rice, presents complications.Although Blair has told Bush, probably in the autumn of 2001, that Britain will join the American military putsch in Iraq, he needs ???legal justification??? for the maneuver???something noble and inspiring to say to Parliament and the British public. No justification ???currently exists.??? Neither Britain nor the United States is being attacked by Iraq, which eliminates the excuse of self-defense; nor is the Iraqi government currently sponsoring a program of genocide. Which leaves as the only option the ???wrong-footing??? of Saddam. If under the auspices of the United Nations he can be presented with an ultimatum requiring him to show that Iraq possesses weapons that don't exist, his refusal to comply can be taken as proof that he does, in fact, possess such weapons.Over the next few months, while the British government continues to look for ways to ???wrong-foot??? Saddam and suborn the U.N., various operatives loyal to Vice President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld bend to the task of fixing the facts, distributing alms to dubious Iraqi informants in return for map coordinates of Saddam's monstrous weapons, proofs of stored poisons, of mobile chemical laboratories, of unmanned vehicles capable of bringing missiles to Jerusalem.By early August the Bush Administration has sufficient confidence in its doomsday story to sell it to the American public. Instructed to come up with awesome text and shocking images, the White House Iraq Group hits upon the phrase ???mushroom cloud??? and prepares a White Paper describing the ???grave and gathering danger??? posed by Iraq's nuclear arsenal. The objective is three-fold???to magnify the fear of Saddam Hussein, to present President Bush as the Christian savior of the American people, a man of conscience who never in life would lead the country into an unjust war, and to provide a platform of star-spangled patriotism for Republican candidates in the November congressional elections.* * *The Conyers report doesn't lack for further instances of the administration's misconduct, all of them noted in the press over the last three years???misuse of government funds, violation of the Geneva Conventions, holding without trial and subjecting to torture individuals arbitrarily designated as ???enemy combatants,??? etc.???but conspiracy to commit fraud would seem reason enough to warrant the President's impeachment. Before reading the report, I wouldn't have expected to find myself thinking that such a course of action was either likely or possible; after reading the report, I don't know why we would run the risk of not impeaching the man. We have before us in the White House a thief who steals the country's good name and reputation for his private interest and personal use; a liar who seeks to instill in the American people a state of fear; a televangelist who engages the United States in a never-ending crusade against all the world's evil, a wastrel who squanders a vast sum of the nation's wealth on what turns out to be a recruiting drive certain to multiply the host of our enemies. In a word, a criminal???known to be armed and shown to be dangerous. Under the three-strike rule available to the courts in California, judges sentence people to life in jail for having stolen from Wal-Mart a set of golf clubs or a child's tricycle. Who then calls strikes on President Bush, and how many more does he get before being sent down on waivers to one of the Texas Prison Leagues? *Footnotes removed.*Source: Harpers.orgI thought this was a great read. Anyone with access to a full-version? With a new CBS poll (admittedly not the best source) showing the lowest approval rating (34%) in the administration's history, do you believe it is valid to begin seriously[/b] discussing impeachment?
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  • With a new CBS poll (admittedly not the best source) showing the lowest approval rating (34%) in the administration's history,

    not best source is an understatement

    "Total Republicans" contacted: 272 unweighted and 289 weighted.

    "Total Democrats" contacted: 409 unweighted and 381 weighted.

    "Total Independents" contacted: 337 unweighted and 348 weighted.

  • ZekeZeke 221 Posts
    Fair enough, that's why I said it wasn't the best source. Any response to the actual essay?

    I understand that people on this board and across the country have been discussing impeachment through clenched teeth for a long time, but I can't imagine articles like these, laying out all the facts and information that we have, are going to end anytime soon. Beyond the shit talk and finger-pointing that both sides have become accustomed to, and that the right has been using to their advantage, what arguments can one make against, at the very least, a serious and thorough look into the administration's digressions?

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    do you believe it is valid to begin seriously[/b] discussing impeachment?

    Pragmatically speaking, no. It'd be nice to get Bush out of office--and he should leave in shame because of the shame he has brought on this country--but until Congress stops being under Bush-loyalist control, impeachment is pretty much a pipe dream.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    No doubt there is a case. But the House has to impeach. That is unlikely. Dems should focus on getting the House back. But by that time they'll have to impeach Jenna.

  • BsidesBsides 4,244 Posts
    Not gonna happen guys. Anyway, the whole friggin congress is crooked as hell too.

  • Not gonna happen guys. Anyway, the whole friggin congress government is crooked as hell too.

    its not going to happen, there are a lot of people that sit around dreaming of this kind of thing happening, i think there are a lot of folks that think once bush is gone the whole world is gonna be rainbows and lollipops, but in reality its just gonna be another duchebag running the retard money grabbing circus, and it doesn't really matter if their dem or a repub

  • ZekeZeke 221 Posts
    For anyone interested: YouSendIt link for a PDF of the entire essay.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    Not gonna happen guys. Anyway, the whole friggin congress government is crooked as hell too.

    its not going to happen, there are a lot of people that sit around dreaming of this kind of thing happening, i think there are a lot of folks that think once bush is gone the whole world is gonna be rainbows and lollipops, but in reality its just gonna be another duchebag running the retard money grabbing circus, and it doesn't really matter if their dem or a repub

    they would have to be better than Bush. that's so easy. to be better than the worst.

  • ZekeZeke 221 Posts
    Not gonna happen guys. Anyway, the whole friggin congress government is crooked as hell too.

    its not going to happen, there are a lot of people that sit around dreaming of this kind of thing happening, i think there are a lot of folks that think once bush is gone the whole world is gonna be rainbows and lollipops, but in reality its just gonna be another duchebag running the retard money grabbing circus, and it doesn't really matter if their dem or a repub

    I agree that there is a lot of wishful thinking going on among the liberal community in this country. There is a lot of work to be done to make the US what it has the potential to be. I do, however, believe that having a leader who has a clear vision of the future, one that is not befuddled by religious dogma, short-term economic prosperity for the upper-class, a propensity for dishonest and manipulative speech, and what seems to be a general lack of common sense in regards to long term vision, would be a good step towards positive change.

    My intention was to share an essay I thought was informed and well-written and spark some conversation about what the essay discusses.


  • I agree that there is a lot of wishful thinking going on among the liberal community in this country. There is a lot of work to be done to make the US what it has the potential to be. I do, however, believe that having a leader who has a clear vision of the future, one that is not befuddled by religious dogma, short-term economic prosperity for the upper-class, a propensity for dishonest and manipulative speech, and what seems to be a general lack of common sense in regards to long term vision, would be a good step towards positive change.

    i agree with you, the thing i hate the most with bush is the religous thing, but clinton named jesus and god a hell of a lot more in his time in office, i would really like to see an atheist in office as soon as possible, there is no good choices and i dont see any in the near future, maybe mccain but i have my reservations about him, i really hope evan bayh stands a chance to beat the sinister senator form new york but shes got $$$$

    My intention was to share an essay I thought was informed and well-written and spark some conversation about what the essay discusses.

    ok say the dream came true and Bush was impeached, Cheney would take over, right?

  • I don't think it is acceptable to create a precedent of impeaching or recalling elected officials we grow tired of.

    It wasn't OK with Clinton or Davis, and despite my hatred for Bush and his people he was legitimately elected and Americans have to learn. You elect someone based on thorough vetting, not because they're the flavor of the month that you can return or exchange when you realize it rots your gut.

  • No doubt there is a case. But the House has to impeach. That is unlikely. Dems should focus on getting the House back. But by that time they'll have to impeach Jenna.


    longer than that friend.

  • ZekeZeke 221 Posts

    ok say the dream came true and Bush was impeached, Cheney would take over, right?
    I think if an impeachment were successful, a good case could be made to take out the whole fucking lot of them, but that's a good point.

  • legitimately elected

    there are an awful lot of folks that don't agree

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    I don't think it is acceptable to create a precedent of impeaching or recalling elected officials we grow tired of.

    It wasn't OK with Clinton or Davis, and despite my hatred for Bush and his people he was legitimately elected and Americans have to learn. You elect someone based on thorough vetting, not because they're the flavor of the month that you can return or exchange when you realize it rots your gut.

    I tend to agree

    Folks need to be focusing on '08, and hope the country lasts until then

    If this admin doesn't start getting publicly shamed before then it will after anyway...

  • legitimately elected

    there are an awful lot of folks that don't agree

    And there are way, way, way more folks that think he's a great guy. I'm not saying there wasn't funny business, but if you don't think the majority of Americans voted (or would have voted) for Bush then you probably don't get out of the city much.

  • SooksSooks 714 Posts
    I don't think it is acceptable to create a precedent of impeaching or recalling elected officials we grow tired of.

    It wasn't OK with Clinton or Davis, and despite my hatred for Bush and his people he was legitimately elected and Americans have to learn. You elect someone based on thorough vetting, not because they're the flavor of the month that you can return or exchange when you realize it rots your gut.

    Well, I don't think that the article is suggesting that he be impeached because they don't agree with his policies, it's saying that he should be impeached because he broke the law. That said, I'm not American and I don't really know what constitutes an impeachable offense or not.

  • legitimately elected

    there are an awful lot of folks that don't agree

    not enough apparently

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    I don't think it is acceptable to create a precedent of impeaching or recalling elected officials we grow tired of.

    It wasn't OK with Clinton or Davis, and despite my hatred for Bush and his people he was legitimately elected and Americans have to learn. You elect someone based on thorough vetting, not because they're the flavor of the month that you can return or exchange when you realize it rots your gut.

    I agree and this is prolly some kind of babyboomer post-watergate fetish.

    But Bush broke the law. That's pretty clear and that precedent is REALLY FUCKING bad.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    I don't think it is acceptable to create a precedent of impeaching or recalling elected officials we grow tired of.

    It wasn't OK with Clinton or Davis, and despite my hatred for Bush and his people he was legitimately elected and Americans have to learn. You elect someone based on thorough vetting, not because they're the flavor of the month that you can return or exchange when you realize it rots your gut.

    Well, I don't think that the article is suggesting that he be impeached because they don't agree with his policies, it's saying that he should be impeached because he broke the law. That said, I'm not American and I don't really know what constitutes an impeachable offense or not.

    Breaking the law is one.

  • agreed...

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
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  • No doubt there is a case. But the House has to impeach. That is unlikely. Dems should focus on getting the House back. But by that time they'll have to impeach Jenna.


    longer than that friend.

    we're not friends


    Thank god its not a picture of Chelsea at the beach ... I just ate.

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    i would really like to see an atheist in office as soon as possible, there is no good choices and i dont see any in the near future

    I'd like to see a fellow agnostic take office, but that won't be happening anytime soon because to a huge swath of the voting public, "agnostic" may as well mean "puppy strangler."

  • ZekeZeke 221 Posts
    One last bump from me. Anyone interested can find the entire Conyer's report here.

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts


    is that beaver in the bottom middle pic ?

    if so, it doesn't look well taken care of... ...somethings not right

  • DrWuDrWu 4,021 Posts
    Not gonna happen guys. Anyway, the whole friggin congress government is crooked as hell too.

    its not going to happen, there are a lot of people that sit around dreaming of this kind of thing happening, i think there are a lot of folks that think once bush is gone the whole world is gonna be rainbows and lollipops, but in reality its just gonna be another duchebag running the retard money grabbing circus, and it doesn't really matter if their dem or a repub

    After the last 5 years, the record debt, the failed war in Iraq, the debacle in the Gulf region, Cheney going mental and nearly killing people, no child develops a mind and a Supreme Court about to return women to the dark ages, I think we have settled it once and for all that these aree not your ordinary douche bags running things. Bring Billy Back!!!!!!!

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    Her coochie looks THRASHED !

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    Her coochie looks THRASHED !

    NOW U KNOW WHAT LIZARD PEOPLE PUNAN LOOK LIKE!

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
    After the last 5 years, the record debt, the failed war in Iraq, the debacle in the Gulf region, Cheney going mental and nearly killing people, no child develops a mind and a Supreme Court about to return women to the dark ages, I think we have settled it once and for all that these aree not your ordinary douche bags running things. Bring Billy Back!!!!!!!

    Too true. But then again, here are some things I've learned recently from right-wing blogs:

    *Iraq is a shining success and a beacon of freedom to the entire Middle East.

    *Nobody in the administration ever predicted we'd be greeted as liberators.

    *Nobody in the administration ever said that the war would be fairly cheap and that Iraqi oil revenues would end up shouldering most of the cost.

    *Hitler was a radical leftist because the word "socialist" appears in the full name of the Nazi party (actually, I've learned that one many times--I guess I just keep forgetting, what with that damned education of mine and all).

    *Whatever problems we're having in Iraq are entirely the fault of Democrats, the durned librul media, and all people who don't support the war. Not even Republican control of the White House and both houses of Congress (with Congress being a willing Bush lapdog) can overcome the awesome power of op-ed pieces in newspapers when it comes to winning a war, which, really, we've already won (see point number one), but the bad stuff is still the fault of the damn naysayers.

    *Any opposition to the Dubai ports deal is by definition purely the product of anti-Arab racism and nothing else.

    *Christians have it really, really tough in America.

    Geez. I had no idea!
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